From Napoleon to Bush and beyond

[Exel]

I would be interested in starting to work on a mod where the game starts in the Napoleonic era and ends in present day or near future. I would gladly take the responsibility of creating the unit trees and stats (we have pretty much all the unit gfx that would be needed) and could contribute somewhat to tech tree and so forth.

Is anyone else interested in such a project? We'd naturally need new eras with a brand new tech tree, new city improvements and wonders, some new graphics (eg. for cities, leaders), and perhaps a couple of new civs.

The approach of the mod would be similar to that of the original game in terms of depth, detail and realism.

 

[Androrc]

Seems like an interesting idea...Perhaps I could do the improvements/wonders...Also I think for the eras we could have Napoleonic Era/Industrial Era/Imperialism Era/Modern Era.

 

[Al Zan]

if you what to do this you will need a good size map for it!

 

[Mr. Dictator]

how bout instead Napoleonic Era/Industrial Era/World at War/Modern Era?

 

[bombshoo]

Heavy Industrialzation and Imperial do kind of go together,they are a generation apart at best.

 

[Exel]

Originally posted by Mr. Dictator
how bout instead Napoleonic Era/Industrial Era/World at War/Modern Era?

This sounds like the best suggestion so far. Another possibility could be Napoleonic Era/Imperialism Era/Industrial Era/Modern Era.

 

[Gogf]

I like Mr. Dictator's, personally.

 

[Mr. Dictator]

what would be the first tech?

 

[Androrc]

Originally posted by Gogf
I like Mr. Dictator's, personally.

I myself like his more than mine

EDIT: About the first tech...I think it could be steam in mining.

 

[Exel]

So, who would be interested in making the tech tree?

 

[aaglo]

Originally posted by Mr. Dictator
what would be the first tech?

Decapitation ordnance?

 

[Colonel Kraken]

Sounds like an intriguing project. I may lend my hand at some ideas. If you'd like to go with general themes for naming the eras, may I suggest the following?

AGE of NATIONS
The rise of nation-states and nationalism. (The rise of Napoleon is but one example).

AGE of IMPERIALSIM
The rush by nations to carve out empires for themselves. (Industrialization is a means to this end).

AGE of IDEOLOGIES
The great empire/nations of the earth vie for control of the rest of the world through core ideology. Will nations side with Socialism and Command Economies or Democracy and the Free Market?

AGE of GLOBALISM
One main ideology has won control of the minds and hearts of the peoples of the world. Now there is a call for all nations to share in the technology and prosperity that many enjoy. Technology has brought an era of global markets, economies of scale, and a prosperity never before seen in the history of the world.

Whatcha think?

--CK

 

[Louis XXIV]

I like that idea

You have to remember when the Industrial revolution began was a lot earlier than it did in America.

 

[Exel]

Well, naming the eras is actually secondary - but I like Kraken's suggestion too - more important is their content. The original idea was that basically the first one would include the Napoleonic era, while the current Industrial era would be split into two; the development leading to industrialization, and the actual industrialization and the first half of 20th century. The last era would be approximately 1950 onwards. Do we agree on this?

 

[aaminion00]

This would be a great idea, but I think Sween32 already started something like this... no idea what happened to it, so I'm on board.

Guys, I think it would be most fun if it was split something like:

Nationalism Age

Covers bulk of 1800's. Begins with Napoleonic era and ends with the introduction of electricity. Think the American-Mexican war for example of technology.

Electric Age

Begins with the mass introduction of electricity, and ends with World War II era technology. Starting units would be of WWI technology, and would upgrade into the units of the second world war.

Nuclear Age

Picks up where World War II left off and goes to the modern day. Cold War Jets, Nukes, and so on and so on. Nukes in my opinion should cost an insane amount of shields.

Future Age

Just for fun. Laser infantry and the like. If you don't want this, we could just add an age somewhere between the last 3.

 

[aaminion00]

the other idea is:

Nationalism Age

Electric Age

Industrialization Age

Nuclear Age

 

[Colonel Kraken]

I've been thinking about this a bit. The problem (or is it really a problem?) is that the "Napoleonic Era" will be quite short and the tech tree a bit small, but this may be by design. Splitting the Industrial era will be tricky as well. It depends on what you had in mind.

I would start at the end of the sort of Age of Kingdoms time frame in the tech tree. All nations are using Halbadiers and the Arquebus (sp?) and nationalism is just starting to come to the forefront of politics (not yet discovered in the tech tree). You could flesh this era out with advances in weaponry (flintlock muskets with bayonet), an increase in national fervor, and some cool discoveries like canning and some advanced weaving, whatever, that type of thing. The era ends with advanced navigation and powerful warships and machine tools.

The next era begins with the discovery of steam following with corporations, replaceable parts (which comes earlier than indicated in the Civ3 tech tree), electricity and that sort of thing.

The next era starts with refining, the combustion engine, goes into flight, simple electronics, etc.

The fourth era begins with solid state compenents and/or the integrated circuit and many other things.

Just some random thoughts.

--CK

 

[Louis XXIV]

Civil War weapons technology is a lot closer to WWI, Civil War tactics are closer to Napoleon.

I think if the Tech Tree lasts from Napoleon to WWI, there will be a huge change in technology (and, if someone is creative enough, you can easily squeeze out too many techs).

When does the scenario begin, 1770, 1790, 1600? There is a wide range of possibilities, depending on whether you want it to start at Napoleon or before the American Revolution (tech tree will be much bigger, but you would loose the Americans). Since America is important to world wide events, you would probably start have to start in the 1780's or 1790's (which, of course, the title would imply anyway ). Flint-lock Muskets with Bayonets are already in existance, but they are a far stretch from the Rifles of the Civil War (which have a range and accuracy similar to a modern weapon, just with less rate of fire).

For tech ideas:

Since the Industrial Revolution in England began pretty much before the turn of the 18th Century, early techs can be stuff like Steam Engines and River Factories for those without coal. (James Watt invented/improved the machine in 1769). So England can start with the Steam Engine, and other civs can research it. Also, Nationalism began to become important and revolutions took place (Democracy and Imperialism can be 2 early governments, and nationalism can be an early tech).

Militarily, Rifled guns is probably among the most important advances. In 1849, Claude Minie invented the mini ball. In the Civil War, repeating weapons were invented (Repeating weapons, followed by the Gatling Machine Gun). By the Spanish-American war, smokeless powder had been invented (don't know how important it is, but I can't think of any other inventions until World War 1).

That's all I can think of.

 

[Colonel Kraken]

Excellent thoughts Louis.

I had some ideas, but perhaps they go back too far in time. Most of these things may already be discovered.

Like about 1750's to 1820's?:

Mercantilism
Stock Market
Laisser Faire Economics
Physics
Chemistry
Ballistics
the Seagoing Chronometer
Machine Tools
Canning
Nationalism
Advanced Military Manuevre
Interchangeable Parts
Conscription
Democracy


Just some thoughts.

--CK

 

[Colonel Kraken]

Some ideas for the next era (1820's to 1890?):

Steam Engine
Steam Locomotive
Rifling
Repeating Rifle
Recoiless Rifle
Electricity
Light Bulb
Microbiology
Field Medicine
Manufactured Medicine
Manifest Destiny
Marxism
Corporation
Federal Banking System
Explosives
Breach Loading Cannon
Steam Turbine
Screw Propellor
Theory of Evolution
Steel
Sky Scrapers
Sewer System