Harbourboy
Deity
Good point Padraig. I always forget that I can wander around the lands of futrue enemies while they still love me.
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ParadigmShifter
Random Nonsense Generator
I'm actually still playing my game in 1055AD, not dead yet (first ever Emperor game, never won on Monarch either).
I was on a continent with Freddy and Ragnar. I've just finished off Freddy, he didn't put up much of a fight really. Gotta love the Hwacha. I declared on him 4 times, getting a city at least each war (nice cottage location first war, gonna move my capital there next I think, and I razed a fishing village. Second War I took Berlin and razed the fishing village he built again in the same spot. Third war took a city near me and kept the newly built fishing village this time. Final war finished off his last 2 cities, he got longbows but only had 1 in each of his last 2 cities, and city raider 2 hwachas finished them off pretty easily.
Ragnar is pleased with me (he's only got -1 close borders spark tensions, he's +6 in total I think). He's got beserkers and I am just about to get machinery for macemen. He's got a bit of a tech lead, I got 2 artists (lightbulbed with them both) instead of scientists from my capital with National Epic, Stonehenge and Great Lib. Built Parthenon in my second city. Heroic epic is in the first city I took from Freddy since it is more central and has OK production.
I'm finding this game easier than my Monarch games so far, something must be amiss. I'll probably get a proper beating soon. Huayna has just turned up in a caravel. I doubt I'll win the liberalism race so will probably stick to military techs and try and knock out Ragnar after a good bit of building courthouses and a better army. I don't think I will have enough land if I take the whole continent for domination (7 civs including me so it's 64%
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I'll be happy if I can just survive really. If by some miracle I do get a win I will be very pleased since it is my first attempt at this level, even if I have to change plan from domination (depends what the other continent is like) I can still enter a win as a normal HOF game. Fingers and toes crossed
I was on a continent with Freddy and Ragnar. I've just finished off Freddy, he didn't put up much of a fight really. Gotta love the Hwacha. I declared on him 4 times, getting a city at least each war (nice cottage location first war, gonna move my capital there next I think, and I razed a fishing village. Second War I took Berlin and razed the fishing village he built again in the same spot. Third war took a city near me and kept the newly built fishing village this time. Final war finished off his last 2 cities, he got longbows but only had 1 in each of his last 2 cities, and city raider 2 hwachas finished them off pretty easily.
Ragnar is pleased with me (he's only got -1 close borders spark tensions, he's +6 in total I think). He's got beserkers and I am just about to get machinery for macemen. He's got a bit of a tech lead, I got 2 artists (lightbulbed with them both) instead of scientists from my capital with National Epic, Stonehenge and Great Lib. Built Parthenon in my second city. Heroic epic is in the first city I took from Freddy since it is more central and has OK production.
I'm finding this game easier than my Monarch games so far, something must be amiss. I'll probably get a proper beating soon. Huayna has just turned up in a caravel. I doubt I'll win the liberalism race so will probably stick to military techs and try and knock out Ragnar after a good bit of building courthouses and a better army. I don't think I will have enough land if I take the whole continent for domination (7 civs including me so it's 64%
.I'll be happy if I can just survive really. If by some miracle I do get a win I will be very pleased since it is my first attempt at this level, even if I have to change plan from domination (depends what the other continent is like) I can still enter a win as a normal HOF game. Fingers and toes crossed
It looks like you should be able to take out Saladin next...I'd scout Khan's land while doing that, you don't want Saladin getting anywhere near Rifles with his protective trait.
Next, if it looks like you can't take Khan yet, I'd see if you can bribe Mansa, or Khan, into war with the other one...or maybe into war with someone on the other continent so that they expend their stacks.
After that, either take on Khan or Mansa first, followed immediately by the other.
If that doesn't give you enough land/pop to win...it looks like Cyrus would be an easy mark on the other continent for the little bit of extra land you'd need,
Harbourboy
Deity
Mansa only has about two cities left (one of them the megacultured Timbuctu) as he already got into a scuffle with Khan. Saladin only has two cities left so maybe it's a case of mopping those up then stacking for Khan. Mansa is still useful for the odd trade tech now and again.
Main issues with time now are:
- how long until Khan gets infantry and artillery?
- will Qin or Mehmed land a sneak attack by sea?
- how long before Qin launches space ship (which would be the real heartbreaker)?
I'm feeling much more comfortable now I have Rifles, Grenadiers, Cannons, and Cavalry.
Main issues with time now are:
- how long until Khan gets infantry and artillery?
- will Qin or Mehmed land a sneak attack by sea?
- how long before Qin launches space ship (which would be the real heartbreaker)?
I'm feeling much more comfortable now I have Rifles, Grenadiers, Cannons, and Cavalry.
I'd guess that you've got a couple more centuries before Qin would launch, but I could be wrong.
I don't know how long until Khan gets infrantry and artillery, but I'd definitely tech toward Artillery next, because with enough Artillery, you can take down any modern army.
I don't know how long until Khan gets infrantry and artillery, but I'd definitely tech toward Artillery next, because with enough Artillery, you can take down any modern army.
Harbourboy
Deity
I hit a bit of a snag when Saladin and Khan had a defensive pact for a while. This slowed me down and now I am in this position:
Advice?
The game is now really a question of whether I can take out Kublai Khan from here without everything falling apart. Some of his other cities were chock full of up to 20 units, but for some reason this city seems to have been emptied out a bit. He does have a very big army around somewhere of SAMs and Artillery.
Advice?
The game is now really a question of whether I can take out Kublai Khan from here without everything falling apart. Some of his other cities were chock full of up to 20 units, but for some reason this city seems to have been emptied out a bit. He does have a very big army around somewhere of SAMs and Artillery.
With enough Artillery, you'll be able to take him out...just be sure that you're building artillery in a lot of your cities, not just relying on your cannons being promoted.
Edit: If you declare war on him and don't invade, then you might be able to smack his huge army really good by hiding your artillery a couple tiles beyond your border with him...then when he moves in to attack, bring them up on rails and pummel him good.
Edit: If you declare war on him and don't invade, then you might be able to smack his huge army really good by hiding your artillery a couple tiles beyond your border with him...then when he moves in to attack, bring them up on rails and pummel him good.
Harbourboy
Deity
Thanks to a web of defensive pacts, I am now at war with most of the world . . . . . .
It's been so long since I have fought a modern war that I have forgotten the main principles.
Oh yeah, Khan nuked two of my cities! First time I've ever had that happen to me.
It's been so long since I have fought a modern war that I have forgotten the main principles.
Oh yeah, Khan nuked two of my cities! First time I've ever had that happen to me.
Harbourboy
Deity
Things are certainly going slowly though. War weariness is colossal since someone passed the Universal Suffrage resolution so I can't be in Police State any more. Hope somebody passes the no nukes treaty soon.
Qin and Mehmed still refuse to talk to me, which is a bit frustrating, because I'm toast if they decide to land a massive invasion force somewhere away from Mongolia where all my armies are.
Biggest thing that slowed me down was when I took two of Khan's cities a while back and thought he had no armies left (due to how easy it was to take his cities). But he then showed up with a huge stack of artillery and gunships and took them all back and wiped out my stack (including my good old Medic III chariot). I had to go for peace and rebuild until I got flight, rocketry, and industrialism to hit back again. The other problem with war at this age is that there is so many centuries of culture to fight through to get anywhere near the enemy cities. You take out one city and the culture from the next city springs out to engulf your new city. Artillery take 3-4 turns to get to the next target.
I saw a Docking Bay get built a couple of turns ago so I do need to outrace Qin and Mehmed's rockets. Maybe this war is a blessing in disguise in that it will slow down their space race.
And the game takes SO long to get through a turn now. I have to sit through several minutes of endless "Your farm was pillaged by a Mongolian fighter" and "Qin has reduced the defense in Madras to 5%".
Qin and Mehmed still refuse to talk to me, which is a bit frustrating, because I'm toast if they decide to land a massive invasion force somewhere away from Mongolia where all my armies are.
Biggest thing that slowed me down was when I took two of Khan's cities a while back and thought he had no armies left (due to how easy it was to take his cities). But he then showed up with a huge stack of artillery and gunships and took them all back and wiped out my stack (including my good old Medic III chariot). I had to go for peace and rebuild until I got flight, rocketry, and industrialism to hit back again. The other problem with war at this age is that there is so many centuries of culture to fight through to get anywhere near the enemy cities. You take out one city and the culture from the next city springs out to engulf your new city. Artillery take 3-4 turns to get to the next target.
I saw a Docking Bay get built a couple of turns ago so I do need to outrace Qin and Mehmed's rockets. Maybe this war is a blessing in disguise in that it will slow down their space race.
And the game takes SO long to get through a turn now. I have to sit through several minutes of endless "Your farm was pillaged by a Mongolian fighter" and "Qin has reduced the defense in Madras to 5%".
Harbourboy
Deity
The only problem with being backstabbed is that AI seem to be able to land tanks and attack cities all in the same turn (I'm sure I have never been able to do that). Qin razed one of my cities in an attack like that, but luckily it was only 4 tanks so I was able to mop it up. Losing that city shouldn't be a big deal because land seems to be the main hurdle in this one, rather than population (although pollution and war weariness have put most of my cities into starvation so maybe population will be a problem).
@Harbourboy: It's a lot of fun reading your progress. I also must say that you are getting a lot better at ![[civ4]](/images/smilies/civ4.gif "Civ4 [civ4]")
. I recall reading your posts when you first came to our little home. Excellent job and I look forward to reading your "I need advice on my deity game, please" posts.
. I recall reading your posts when you first came to our little home. Excellent job and I look forward to reading your "I need advice on my deity game, please" posts.
Harbourboy
Deity
Getting there. Most recent blunder was making peace with Khan when I was actually trying to get peace with Mehmed and Qin. That held me up for another 10 turns. Then Khan showed up at one of my cities with a stack of 14 artillery. Where the heck did they come from? It took all my gunships, tanks, and marines to defuse that.
ParadigmShifter
Random Nonsense Generator
Well I finished my first attempt at Emperor level, Huayna launched in 1874, never thought I would last that long.
I gave up on domination when it was obvious Ragnar was going to be to strong for me on my own continent, so tried to get my first diplomatiic win, everyone liked me better than Mehmed.
Epic speed takes far too long to play though! Can't see myself getting a domination win at this level.
I so nearly got the win too, if Hannibal hadn't changed from free market to state property when he was +10 with me I'm sure he wouldn't have abstained. I made a major error anyway, bribed Mehmed to attck Hannibal so that Mehmed would be unpopular (he was pop leader), then stupidly traded with him. I'll know better next time, found going for a diplo win interesting anyway. I think I'll go back to trying to win at Monarch after WOTM11.
I gave up on domination when it was obvious Ragnar was going to be to strong for me on my own continent, so tried to get my first diplomatiic win, everyone liked me better than Mehmed.
Epic speed takes far too long to play though! Can't see myself getting a domination win at this level.
I so nearly got the win too, if Hannibal hadn't changed from free market to state property when he was +10 with me I'm sure he wouldn't have abstained. I made a major error anyway, bribed Mehmed to attck Hannibal so that Mehmed would be unpopular (he was pop leader), then stupidly traded with him. I'll know better next time, found going for a diplo win interesting anyway. I think I'll go back to trying to win at Monarch after WOTM11.
Harbourboy
Deity
ParadigmShifter
Random Nonsense Generator
What you need is some spies I expect Harbourboy. That was all that was preventing Huayna launching his ship in my game, until she got caught (and another -1 meant that Huayna abstained rather than voting for me).
I found a diplomatic attempt alot easier than going for domination, every time I got a counter to Ragnar's units and was about to invade he got the counter to them (he had rifles, I got grenadiers, he got cavalry. The I got cannon and he got machine guns. Then I got rifles and he got infantry, etc.). Good luck and hope it works out well for you Harbour. Back to playting Monarch for me until I win though I think, might try my new diplo skills out to get that win under my belt though.
I found a diplomatic attempt alot easier than going for domination, every time I got a counter to Ragnar's units and was about to invade he got the counter to them (he had rifles, I got grenadiers, he got cavalry. The I got cannon and he got machine guns. Then I got rifles and he got infantry, etc.). Good luck and hope it works out well for you Harbour. Back to playting Monarch for me until I win though I think, might try my new diplo skills out to get that win under my belt though.
Jimmy Thunder
King
Well it looks like I will miss out on this one due to a technical glitch on my laptop's civ4 install.
It's one thing knowing that you had a good win and a good date, but seeing your name on the official list is much more satisfying.
Oh well, good luck to other punters for this gauntlet.
It's one thing knowing that you had a good win and a good date, but seeing your name on the official list is much more satisfying.
Oh well, good luck to other punters for this gauntlet.
The-Hawk
Old Original Geezer
Just submitted my third win on this gauntlet. Still improving. I've gone from 1770 AD to 1340 AD to 1268 AD.
This last go-around was not such a good map. I was centrally located, wasted lots of time moving my armies back and forth across the land to attack AI's. I'd prefer a start on the edge of the continent, then I can head generally in one direction.
Still time for some more attempts.
This last go-around was not such a good map. I was centrally located, wasted lots of time moving my armies back and forth across the land to attack AI's. I'd prefer a start on the edge of the continent, then I can head generally in one direction.
Still time for some more attempts.
Harbourboy
Deity
1268 AD? That's insane!
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