G-Minor 2

Finished with a domination victory with less than 30 turns to go. I had a 10,000+ score that translated into 8,500 points at the time of victory so I think I'm doing okay.

I'm trying a new strategy but I'm not even sure if it's working. I produce a lot of settlers in the late game that never even found cities. My logic is that at turn #1 in 4000 BC you have a low postive score based on your settler's potential. I'm guessing that if you 100+ settlers all at the end of the game their potential can give your score a substantial boost. Perhaps, my reasoning and understanding of the scoring system is flawed. Any comments?
 
Xavier's Crown said:
I'm trying a new strategy but I'm not even sure if it's working. I produce a lot of settlers in the late game that never even found cities. My logic is that at turn #1 in 4000 BC you have a low postive score based on your settler's potential. I'm guessing that if you 100+ settlers all at the end of the game their potential can give your score a substantial boost. Perhaps, my reasoning and understanding of the scoring system is flawed. Any comments?

I like the way you think, but I'm almost positive this has no effect on your score.
 
Somebody help me out with something here:

In figuring score, the only thing that matters on turn 2050 is my population at 2050, right? Maintaining more or less population at earlier turns has no bearing on my score in this regard, correct?

Along with that, then, does one immediately get the population points from captured cities on turn 2050, even though the city will be in revolt?
 
fairlyhonest said:
:confused: What is the xxx.Civ4Replay ask for in submit game
The HOF doesn't require submission of the .Civ4Replay file, but the file should be in the "My Documents/My Games/Sid Meier's Civilzation4/Replays" dir.

Are you trying to submit a GOTM? See the Civ4 - Game of the Month forum.
 
10,651 Final Score

(my total score was 17690)

My last turn grabbed all but one city. My score was 10,070 at 2049 AD, so the last grab got me 600 pts.

I played Washington for Financial and Org. Org is really just +10% science cus you can run the slider that much higher all game. I finished with Future Tech 103.

I played a map with only 274 "max" Population, so that makes it a "low food" map. My population ended at 478.

I got all the wonders, but I missed one of the Shrines. Note: SDI and spaceship parts are not wonders

Finished with 89.77% of the land.after the final grab.

I don't have the patience to play this one again so that's it. It is a 100% honest score. I'll submit it, but I will probably be excluded because CivIV crashed in 2044 and I had to load an autosave. I had invested too much time not to finish it. I had to abandon an earlier game that passed the Dom limit. This one was in no way close to the Domination limit. It's stupid to risk it when you're just going to take everything on the last turn. My Modern Armor had no problems stomping on some longbowmen and a couple riflemen, so I would not have needed to reload for those or any other reasons.
 
In my second attempt I tried the settler strategy that I mentioned earlier. Good news - I pumped out a tonne of settlers. Bad news - they don't factor into the score other than on turn 1.

Lots of questions. When the clock ticks down to 1 turn left in 2049 - I naturally thought that I had 1 turn left to play in 2050 (eliminate my rivals & pad my score). Unfortunately, soon as the clock hits 2050 It claims a time victory and game is over. I understand for the file submission I need to save after selecting just one more turn. My question is - Can I play that turn, save the file, and submit it without advancing beyond 2050? I grabbed about an extra thousand points doing this.

I had timed a Spaceship victory, conquest victory, and a domination victory all for the year 2050 but they never kicked in once the time victory took place. Is there a way to get credit and points for more than 1 victory condition.

I scored roughly around 14,000 points and that was lowered considerably upon my finish.

Last question. I play the game on a Toshiba laptop and it overheated and crashed on me. I reloaded an autosave and mimicked my last few moves as accurately as possible. Can I still submit a game when this happens or is it void?

I would love to give this one more try - but unfortunately I've got to write up my report cards for my students this week.

Goodluck to everyone else.
 
Xavier's Crown said:
My question is - Can I play that turn, save the file, and submit it without advancing beyond 2050? I grabbed about an extra thousand points doing this.
There's no point playing on as the score we use is the one at the point you win, not the current score for the save you submit. That score should be exactly the same as you see in your personal HOF.
 
I won the game with results 18,375 points, 132 Future Tech learning, but my game is Excluded. Why?

Moderator Action: Discussion of exclusion not allowed in the forums. We will discuss this offline.
 
Grey Cardinal said:
I won the game with results 18,375 points, 132 Future Tech learning

That's great work. And unless you manually editted your save file or something extreme, it's a valid score in my book. No amount of re-loading is going to help your game much in this Gauntlet. 132 tech is amazing. You must have been getting 1 tech per turn for the last 50 turns or so. It's odd they don't increase the cost of each future tech. I think your final score is probably around 11,000 (the 18,375 doesn't count.) Can you post that score for us?
 
I just submitted a game with the following score:
- Total score: 8821 points
- Normalized score: 5306 points

This was a quick game where I did not have an advanced strategy,
except building cottages in the early game, and farms at the end.
The main goal was to learn about the scoring formula and to study
the trade-off between technology and population.

My score breakdown is as follows:

3550 from Population (169/238)
1250 from Land (172/275)
3348 from Technology (504/301)
673 from Wonders (155/230)
Total Score = 8821
Score by winning this turn = 5306

First, I applied the scoring formulas in this thread:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=3354736&postcount=82

For a time victory, currentTurn=maxTurn, and all three formulas
simplify to:

score = factor*rawscore/maxScore

For the base score of 8821 I get an exact match between the
formula and what is reported by CIV IV, provided that the score
of each component is truncated to an integer number, and without
applying the difficulty multiplier of 0,6.

For the normalized score of 5306, I get an approximate match by
multiplying with the difficulty multiplier:

0,6 * 8821 = 5293

which is slightly less than the score of 5306 hat is reported by
CIV IV. Did I miss something here?

Second, I wanted to study the trade-off between population and
technology for maximizing the final score. On one hand one can
maximize the number of future technologies by leaving as many
towns as possible towards the end of the game. On the other hand,
one can maximize population by farming as many tiles as possible.

I asked myself the following question: If I convert one tile from
town to farm, how many population points do I gain, and how many
technology points do I loose?

Population:
I am assuming that all cities have reached their maximum population
limit by year 2050. With Biology, farming increases the number of
food resources by two, increasing the maximum number of citizens by
one. By applying the formula above, one citizen converts to 31 base
score points for this particular map. Equivalently, farming yields
31 population base score points per tile.

Technology:
To estimate the number of technology poins that are lost by destroying
a town, I make the following assumptions:
- The majority of technology points come from Future Technology
- Future technologies are researched during the last 100 turns of the game.
- The town is converted to a farm when starting to research the first future
technology.
- Financial leader (+1 commerce).
- Free speech (+2 commerce).
- Printing Press (+1 commerce).
- 100% research during the last 100 turns.
- Average of +150% research in each city from buildings/wonders.

With these assumptions, destroying the town costs:

(4+1+2+1)*100*(100%+150%) = 2000 bakers.

In my game, one future tech requires 5527 bakers. Furthermore, for
my map, the score formula results in 46 technology base score points
per future tech. This implies that the penalty per tile for loosing a town
can be estimated as:

46*2000/5527 = 17 technology base score points per tile.

To summarize, converting from towns to farms results in:
-An addition of 31 population points per tile.
-A reduction of 17 technology points per tile.

I know this is just an estimate, and there are complicating factors like
converting citizens into specialists. Anyway, the analysis suggests that
the game should end with a maximum number of farmed tiles. I believe it is
important though, to time the conversion from towns to farms to reach the
maximum population limit as close the year 2050 as possible. Otherwise
several turns with income from towns will be wasted.

How does this analysis agree with everyones game experience?
 
Your analysis of town vs. farm is overly complex. It's quite simple.

Town = ~6 base commerce.
Farm = 6 base beakers (from an extra Science Specialist.)

Therefore, once health/happiness is no longer an issue, they're about the same for Tech generation. But farms are an extra population. No contest.

Forget Free Speech and run Bureaucracy. Keep towns only in your capitol where all the multipliers are (250% or more)
 
WastinTime said:
Can you post that score for us?

The first FT has taken in 1475 AD (150 turn). For 170 turn up to the end has still taken 132 FT. The Max bakers was nearby 5000 with the Golden Age.
My Score is follows:

8112 from Population (490/302)
1291 from Land (248/384)
8093 from Technology (1218/301)
847 from Wonders (195/230)
Total Score = 18343
Score by winning this turn = 11034

I played Mansa Musa, Financial and Spiritual Leader. In 2020 has replaced all towns with farms. I think, a record from 20000 points to take really.
 
I played Mansa also. I wanted the early UU and the financial trait. I was gonna have a massively high score. But I ended up w/ a domination win, didn't mean to get it obviously. A city flip in the early 1900's screwed me, but its my fault I shoulda been paying attention more.

Anyways I had 12 cities in the 25+ pop range in 1900.

I only cottaged flood plains, and I only mined resources. Hills were windmilled, and all plains/everything else was farmed.

Basically my plan was to rush and take all the capitals except one. Easy enough. I founded all the religions, got every wonder (up until domination I still had a couple to go). I let the capital culture borders boost out a bit so I'd have an idea where to put my other cities. I made the other cities, farmed the hell out of them and watched them grow. I purposefully put all the culture wonders int he back of the empire so it wouldn't effect borders but...

The damn +2 culture per specialist KILLED me. It basically caused the city flip and pushed me over.

I was actually beginning to build my army for the last turn mega take over. Ah too bad, not gonna try again.
 
Yep, I never build the Sistine chapel unless there's only a few turns to go. Chances are someone will build it and you can capture that city in the last turn.
Similarly I also let the AI discover many religions. They can get the great prophets to build the shrines. You know what cities those will be in, so you can plan ahead.
 
And the Gauntlet is concluded!

Congratulations to everyone for tieing by finishing in 2050! :lol: :eek: :rolleyes:
 
Doh, almost forgot about that score tiebreaking thing.

Congratulations to Ori for taking First and Third with scores of 8692 and 8133. WastinTime secured Second place with the only other 8000 point plus submission.

The Full Results are published.

Thank you everyone for your participation. G-Minor 3 shall await you momentarily.:scan:
 
superslug said:
Congratulations to Ori for taking First and Third with scores of 8692 and 8133. WastinTime secured Second place with the only other 8000 point plus submission.
My sincerest apologies everyone, but this was proven inaccurate. :blush:

We discovered a bug in the processing system that cut off the Gauntlet game recognition early. WastinTime took First and Third, with Ori second.

The Full Results are now accurate. Among the 'new' entries includes WastinTime's number one topping 10,000 points, and HighDesert at number five.:goodjob:
 
superslug said:
We discovered a bug in the processing system that cut off the Gauntlet game recognition early. WastinTime took First and Third, with Ori second.
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WastinTime loaded with autosave in 2044 AD(game crashed), and I loaded(game crashed), but my game is excluded. Double standards?
 
Grey Cardinal said:
WastinTime loaded with autosave in 2044 AD(game crashed), and I loaded(game crashed), but my game is excluded. Double standards?
You know what your game was really excluded for.
 
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