what a nasty expressionwhy would anyone skin cats
Why would you conclude that? Because his finish time was 15 turns faster with Petra/DF and coastal cities, when I had neither of those advantages? Therefore I "can't read good strategies and adopt"?
just like it was the case for my assyria 190t win.
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There seems to be a loophole: if a city-state doesn't have an improved source of coal or it's under a mismatched improvement (like a farm), you can gift an improvement to the city-state for 200g and get the coal immediately. If coal spawns under a mine improvement though, you won't get anything even if allies.Blah, I just had to abandon an islands-type map where I had labs stocked by t130. Satellites revealed that the only coal and aluminum to be found was either on CS islands that were too small to place expos 4 tiles from the CS, or inside enemy territory on other islands. And no one was even in the industrial when I got Satellites. So much for that... too bad, I was on a record pace (for me anyway) despite two of my cities being in tundra and having no observatories... that's how awesome cargo ships are. But islands suck.
Ty for all the info. I went into the Patronage tree at the end. Seemed more worthwhile to get the science from city-states policy.klaskeren said:(lets see if i can remember
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My impression from my last game is that three cities are better than four. From what I've read, each city you build will up the price of techs by 5%.
This is simply not true for a gauntlet game. It's true for a game where you're not trying to best a very competitive #1 time, but not for this. You need a great start. Desert mountain river start with good hills for petra and lots of freshwater farms is quite uncommon, let alone a nearby coastal mountain expo with freshwater farms, good hills and multiple fishing boats, but even if all that weren't epic, random is random. You can easily go 20 or 30 rolls without starting near desert or mountain, let alone both, and I have. Sometimes your first roll is epic dirt. Sometimes you get nothing but junk for 10 or 20 rolls. And I don't just mean "average", I mean *your entire island is smaller than a 3rd-tier expanded city* kind-of-bad. Shuffle makes normal random look forgiving. At least you know whether you're on a pangaea or not with other map types.
Gotm is more fun in that regard, because I'm not super into re-rolling. Generally I prefer to finish out a game, but when it becomes clear that I'm not going to beat the time I've already posted in the gauntlet in a prior run, it feels like a waste of time to continue. And that makes it feel like a waste to even play past turn 50 if the dirt isn't epic. Kind of takes the fun out of it for me.
But I'm not digging on the OCC diplo thing, so I haven't tried the most recent one. Besides, I like the HOF's records and tables and stuff.
That explains why I keep getting more policies before rationalism than I expect. I noticed that not everything is properly scaled by 2/3. For example, you get 66 gold per city from the religious belief instead of 100. Which is correct. But then universities cost 480 instead of 440. (660*2/3)
Similarly, one faith CS buys you a pantheon. Lots of little bugs like that. But I don't know for sure that 3/turn is broken, because every 2 turns on quick equates to 3 turns on standard. So 6 culture every 2 turns is actually like 6 every 3 turns. But they also round the policy cost to the nearest 5, sort of.
So, the first policy is 15, instead of 16.3333. The second policy is should be 26.6666., etc.
So you're probably getting some bonus points in there... ?
One thing that is definitely different (IMHO) is that you need more scouts to find everyone by the equivalent standard time. Any delays are much more significant. It makes sense though that with movement rates the same, but 50% more time passing while you move, that you'd need 50% more scouts, so 3 instead of 2. But that hoses the early build queue... But that extra scout... Well that certainly favors liberty. But only if you get a culture ruin. Waiting 15 turns for your first policy is horrible. And you absolutely can't go monument first on quick because you need to scout ASAP. Sucky dilemma.
