Galileo's Telescope

[Big Rob]

Google's homepage says today is the 400th anniversary of this invention. I only play civ3 and don't know if it is on any other game. For my editor, what could this allow...

Just trying to start some discussion. It is very slow here at work today.

 

[Padma]

Moderator Action: Thread moved. I think you meant this for Civ3, not CivRev?

 

[Big Rob]

I thought I put it under Civ3 Gen Discussion. My bad !!

 

[timerover51]

Google's homepage says today is the 400th anniversary of this invention. I only play civ3 and don't know if it is on any other game. For my editor, what could this allow...

Just trying to start some discussion. It is very slow here at work today.

Hmm, since when I edit the game, I lean toward boosting research as much as possible, I have it set to double the research in the city that it is in. Since it comes with Astronomy, that gives you trade over sea squares, as well as the Caravel/Carrack and Explorer/Conquistador, you already get a fair amount with the advance. If you want to boost it a little more, considering how important the telescope was in determining the structure of the solar system and universe, you could also set it to produce a Leader every few turns to additionally boost your ability to advance faster. The Leaders so produced can rush Wonders, and also build armies. I use 5 or 10 turns for Leader production. Five turns tends to result in a Leader surplus early in the game, while 10 turns seems like forever once you hit the Industrial Age.

 

[Big Rob]

Now that's what I'm talkin' about !!

Any chance of it eventually leading to religious strife ? Or would that just be silly?

 

[timerover51]

Now that's what I'm talkin' about !!

Any chance of it eventually leading to religious strife ? Or would that just be silly?

I do not know of any way to trigger religious wars in the game, although the Age of Discovery does have the advance Protestant Reformation, which does not trigger anything that I have discovered.

With respect to creating Leaders, I have several Great and Small Wonders set to create them. Specifically, I have the Great Library, Sun Tzu's Art of War, The Heroic Epic, Newton's University, and the Military Academy set to produce Leaders. I could see adding Copernicus's Observatory to the mix. I have other Wonders set to produce units.

You might want to check out the following thread on my modding philosophy for some more ideas.

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=322013

Hope this is of help to you.

 

[Big Rob]

I just figured the telescope leading to the discovery that we are not the center of the universe, didn't they imprison or kill some of these guys?

 

[Snarkhunter]

I just figured the telescope leading to the discovery that we are not the center of the universe, didn't they imprison or kill some of these guys?

Not quite. Copernicus came up with a coherent theory that posited the earth orbiting the sun instead of vice versa. However, he also posited that orbits should be perfectly circular & the initial data was even worse for his theory than the old idea of epicycles. Kepler came along in the next generation & due to incredibly hard work & a bit of luck, showed that the data for Mars, at least, fit an elliptical orbit, with the sun at one of the foci. Now things suddenly made more sense, & Galileo put the whole package together. But he was a little too forceful & the Church nailed him, not for suggesting that the earth moves around the sun per se (which as a purely intellectual exploration they didn't really object to), but for denying the authority of the Church to rule on such questions, as opposed to actual observations.

Where the telescope came in was in showing things like moons orbiting Jupiter (thus showing that not everything orbited the earth, sunspots (thus showing that the sun was not a "perfect" celestial body), & most tellingly, the phases of Venus (if Venus orbited the earth rather than the sun, it should show phases we never see, so it has to come between the earth and the sun at all times, simplified explanation). This was pretty hard core evidence hard to explain away, coupled with Kepler's laws of motion. Newton nailed the whole thing a few decades later with the concept of forces & calculus, deriving Kepler's laws from first principles rather than empirical observation.

kk

 

[Spoonwood]

Galileo's Telescope
Google's homepage says today is the 400th anniversary of this invention. I only play civ3 and don't know if it is on any other game. For my editor, what could this allow...

Just trying to start some discussion. It is very slow here at work today.

First off, Galileo didn't invent the telescope.

Hmm, since when I edit the game, I lean toward boosting research as much as possible, I have it set to double the research in the city that it is in. Since it comes with Astronomy...

*Copernicus's* Observatory comes with Astronomy. Nicholas Copernicus had a book published posthumously in 1543 entitled_On the Revolutions of the Celestial Spheres_. He didn't use a telescope. Galileo seems to have used a telescope *for serious astronomical purposes* first in 1609, some *66* years later. Galileo did get put under house arrest by the Catholic Church of the time. Giordano Bruno did get burned at the stake in 1600 by secular authorities after the Roman Inquisition found him guilty of heresy. Bruno did believe that the Earth revolves about the Sun. However, since he also had several other ideas which contradicted the Catholic Church's notions, it seems unclear as to how large a role his heliocentrism played in the charge of heresy. The Galileo incident by itself does make it plausible to believe that his heliocentrism played a significant role. However, the Galileo incident could have also occured, because people at the time may have believed that anyone who held a heliocentric position, such as Galileo, would also hold views like that of Bruno's. To make a crude comparison to today, many people at least appear to believe that anyone who accepts evolutionary theory necessarily does not believe in a transcendental deity.

 

[Big Rob]

So much to learn. Screw it...

ATTACK !!!