Gator02 - Learning to Walk
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bradleyfeanor
King
Sorry for the delay. My sick days put me a bit behind on everything, and now I have another issue. My mom (who lives in Mobile, Alabama) is very sick, and I plan to travel home tomorrow. I will be out of touch without civ access, and likely without internet access, for around 2 weeks.
I will try to finish my turns today, but If I don't have the time I may have to hand off to one of you guys.
I will try to finish my turns today, but If I don't have the time I may have to hand off to one of you guys.
My goodness!bradleyfeanor said:Sorry for the delay. My sick days put me a bit behind on everything, and now I have another issue. My mom (who lives in Mobile, Alabama) is very sick, and I plan to travel home tomorrow. I will be out of touch without civ access, and likely without internet access, for around 2 weeks.
I will try to finish my turns today, but If I don't have the time I may have to hand off to one of you guys.
Please don't worry about a game when serious things in real life need attention. We would be more than happy to assist you in any way we can. We wish you the best and will say a prayer for your Mom. Good luck Brad.
Should we wait until this game is complete before we apply the new Civ IV patch? 
bradleyfeanor
King
Wow, thanks a million guys: especially for the prayers. Mom is fighting with cancer right now, and I can't tell you how much each prayer is appreciated!
My travel plans have changed to Sunday because my fiance is now going home with me as well. That being the case, I would like to finish my turns today. Also, I will probably be out of town for around 2 weeks, so you guys might want to start game 2 without me.
I plan to play my turns without applying the patch, but if the next up wants to apply it that is fine with me.
That patch made some significant changes! Overall, I think I am going to like how they decreased chopping power and tied a chop boost to mathematics. It will hopefully lead to more variety in opening strategies. I also like some of the Civic cost changes (Nationhood is now cheaper, State Property and Slavery more expensive), but I'm not sure what motivated a few civics changes. It is kind of funny that they reversed the change they made to slavery in the previous patch (was Low Maintenance, then None, now back to Low). The changes to Hereditary Rule and Representation are questionable: I think they were trying to weaken Representation because it was being overused via the pyramids, but it has been weakened a bit much in comparison to Hereditary Rule. Now HR seems a little too attractive, and I doubt Representation will be utilized very often. I certainly won't be going out of my way for the pyramids anymore. I don't like the change to Free Market (now more expensive). I doubt the small economic boost of Free Market will justify the turn of anarchy now, considering Communism/State Property is right around the corner.
My travel plans have changed to Sunday because my fiance is now going home with me as well. That being the case, I would like to finish my turns today. Also, I will probably be out of town for around 2 weeks, so you guys might want to start game 2 without me.
I plan to play my turns without applying the patch, but if the next up wants to apply it that is fine with me.
That patch made some significant changes! Overall, I think I am going to like how they decreased chopping power and tied a chop boost to mathematics. It will hopefully lead to more variety in opening strategies. I also like some of the Civic cost changes (Nationhood is now cheaper, State Property and Slavery more expensive), but I'm not sure what motivated a few civics changes. It is kind of funny that they reversed the change they made to slavery in the previous patch (was Low Maintenance, then None, now back to Low). The changes to Hereditary Rule and Representation are questionable: I think they were trying to weaken Representation because it was being overused via the pyramids, but it has been weakened a bit much in comparison to Hereditary Rule. Now HR seems a little too attractive, and I doubt Representation will be utilized very often. I certainly won't be going out of my way for the pyramids anymore. I don't like the change to Free Market (now more expensive). I doubt the small economic boost of Free Market will justify the turn of anarchy now, considering Communism/State Property is right around the corner.
bradleyfeanor
King
Hey guys. Mom has some new issues and was just moved to ICU, so I'm not feeling very focused (as I like to be when I play an SG or GOTM). So I guess I will leave the game in your capable hands. I'm taking a computer with me so I will probably be able to check in from time to time. Good luck! And pick something interesting for our next game!
Safe travels and continued prayers for your Mom and your family. 
@Bede - Looks like it is yours unless we want to wait for Gator's return?
Bede said:
Good Luck and have fun!!! Turn 220 (1550 AD)
Rheims will fall!
Set up a track to Beijing for the fleet then decide to pull the galleons back to home port and send a fleet instead of a few. The track is marked from Huamnaga west by north to the landing in a forest outside Beijing
More cannon fodder or is that ChoNoKo Chew
Marseilles begins: Catapult
Marseilles begins: Catapult
Delhi begins: Maceman
Delhi begins: Maceman
Teotihuacan begins: Grenadier
Teotihuacan begins: Grenadier
Tlatelolco begins: Knight
Tlatelolco begins: Knight
Tlatelolco begins: Knight
Tlaxcala begins: Catapult
Tlaxcala begins: Catapult
Tenochtitlan finishes: Knight
Worker loses to: French Musketeer (9.00/9)
Turn 221 (1555 AD)
This is too funny for words. Nappy sends his sole Musketeer from Rheims and captures a couple of slaves at Lyons.
He leaves a pike and two longbows to face the Squads of Death at Rheims.
And in we go and down he goes
Catapult loses to: French Longbowman (6.00/6)
Catapult loses to: French Longbowman (4.44/6)
Two city raider cats peel back the defenders at Rheims and a third unpromoted one does a little more damage to <5 longbows and the pike, so he gets his promotion.
Grenadier defeats (1.20/12): French Longbowman
Grenadier defeats (9.84/12): French Longbowman
Grenadier defeats (9.60/12): French Pikeman
Captured Rheims (Napoleon)
And that was that for the Little Corporal
Now to redistribute the forces for Mao.
Turn 222 (1560 AD)
Cannon will be a major advantage against the Chinese so turn up the bunsen burners for steel in 2
Turn 223 (1565 AD)
Moving, and moving and moving
Turn 224 (1570 AD)
It is go time....
March on Baoding
And Ningbo
And Shanghai. Frigates pour fire into Shangahi
The two western cities should go down next turn, The troops converging at Shanghai are trying to force a meeting on the plains by occupying the high ground Kaifeng is the most weakly defended (2 LB and a pike) and so can be ignored for now.
Tech learned: Steel Our income allows the upgrade of one catapult per turn
Rheims will fall!
Set up a track to Beijing for the fleet then decide to pull the galleons back to home port and send a fleet instead of a few. The track is marked from Huamnaga west by north to the landing in a forest outside Beijing
More cannon fodder or is that ChoNoKo Chew
Marseilles begins: Catapult
Marseilles begins: Catapult
Delhi begins: Maceman
Delhi begins: Maceman
Teotihuacan begins: Grenadier
Teotihuacan begins: Grenadier
Tlatelolco begins: Knight
Tlatelolco begins: Knight
Tlatelolco begins: Knight
Tlaxcala begins: Catapult
Tlaxcala begins: Catapult
Tenochtitlan finishes: Knight
Worker loses to: French Musketeer (9.00/9)
Turn 221 (1555 AD)
This is too funny for words. Nappy sends his sole Musketeer from Rheims and captures a couple of slaves at Lyons.
He leaves a pike and two longbows to face the Squads of Death at Rheims.
And in we go and down he goes
Catapult loses to: French Longbowman (6.00/6)
Catapult loses to: French Longbowman (4.44/6)
Two city raider cats peel back the defenders at Rheims and a third unpromoted one does a little more damage to <5 longbows and the pike, so he gets his promotion.
Grenadier defeats (1.20/12): French Longbowman
Grenadier defeats (9.84/12): French Longbowman
Grenadier defeats (9.60/12): French Pikeman
Captured Rheims (Napoleon)
And that was that for the Little Corporal
Now to redistribute the forces for Mao.
Turn 222 (1560 AD)
Cannon will be a major advantage against the Chinese so turn up the bunsen burners for steel in 2
Turn 223 (1565 AD)
Moving, and moving and moving
Turn 224 (1570 AD)
It is go time....
March on Baoding
And Ningbo
And Shanghai. Frigates pour fire into Shangahi
The two western cities should go down next turn, The troops converging at Shanghai are trying to force a meeting on the plains by occupying the high ground Kaifeng is the most weakly defended (2 LB and a pike) and so can be ignored for now.
Tech learned: Steel Our income allows the upgrade of one catapult per turn
Turn 225 (1575 AD)
Mao has dropped a settler and longbow at the point south of Texcoco. Take 'em down!
Knight defeats (8.60/10): Chinese Longbowman
And Mao takes the bait and sends his forces into the jaws of death at Shanghai
But it strips his defenses at Shanghai.
Whittle, then kill
Catapult loses to: Chinese Knight (8.70/10)
Catapult loses to: Chinese Knight (8.70/10)
Catapult loses to: Chinese Knight (10.00/10)
Grenadier defeats (1.20/12): Chinese Longbowman
Grenadier defeats (12.00/12): Chinese Longbowman
Grenadier defeats (4.32/12): Chinese Cho-Ko-Nu
Mao made a small tactical error here. All the troops that received a terrain defense bonus were weaker than his knghts, so the knights killed the catapults but the collateral damage finished the others.
And that was that for the active defense of Shanghai.
Grenadier defeats (9.84/12): Chinese Knight
Grenadier defeats (7.92/12): Chinese Maceman
Knight defeats (6.00/10): Chinese Knight
Grenadier defeats (7.44/12): Chinese Knight
Frigates fire again and the defenses at Shanghai are zeroed.
The taking of Ningbo
Grenadier defeats (10.44/12): Chinese Cho-Ko-Nu
Grenadier defeats (12.00/12): Chinese Catapult
Maceman defeats (5.76/8): Chinese Pikeman
Captured Ningbo (Mao Zedong)
And Baoding
Grenadier defeats (8.40/12): Chinese Longbowman
Grenadier defeats (3.84/12): Chinese Cho-Ko-Nu
Hinduism has spread: Baoding (Chinese Empire)
Hinduism has spread: Baoding
Captured Baoding (Mao Zedong)
After the successful battles at the three interlopers start a march on Kaifeng, very weakly defended but on a hill with fairly strong cultural defenses.
Ling Lun (Great Artist) born in Cuzco put him on a boat and send him to Marseilles with a waiting missionary
Mao loves to poach workers by pulling his defenders out of position
Worker loses to: Chinese Catapult (5.00/5) at New York
Turn 226 (1580 AD)
Knight defeats (10.00/10): Chinese Catapult
Turn 227 (1585 AD)
Pick off a wanderer on the road to Kaifeng but the defenses at Kaifeng are halved.
Grenadier defeats (5.52/12): Chinese Longbowman
Turn 228 (1590 AD)
Didn't even need seige
Grenadier defeats (12.00/12): Chinese Pikeman
Captured Kaifeng (Mao Zedong)
Clear the way for a landing at Shanghai
Knight loses to: Chinese Maceman (2.96/8)
Knight defeats (10.00/10): Chinese Maceman
Turn 229 (1595 AD)
Frigate defeats (2.80/8): Chinese Caravel on its way into Shanghai
And the fall of Shanghai
Catapult loses to: Chinese Longbowman (4.44/6)
Catapult loses to: Chinese Longbowman (2.88/6)
Grenadier defeats (8.40/12): Chinese Longbowman
Grenadier defeats (10.32/12): Chinese Knight
Knight defeats (4.00/10): Chinese Longbowman
Grenadier defeats (8.40/12): Chinese Cho-Ko-Nu
Captured Shanghai (Mao Zedong)
Then start redistributng the forces for the interior towns and Beijing
Pytheas (Great Merchant) born in Tiwanaku. Left him home
Mao does it again
Worker loses to: Chinese Catapult (5.00/5)
Then attacks a musket running recon in the northern hills
Musketman defeats (0.90/9): Chinese Knight
Musketman loses to: Chinese Musketman (9.00/9)
Turn 230 (1600 AD)
The move on Beijing-a force moving NW from Shanghai into the forests to the SW of Beijing. Two full galleon loads offshore at Utah Beach. Land, let them cover an advance due north from Shanghai, then attack when ready Gridley
There is one full galleon SE of Shanghai and another empty on its way in. Use those boats to land at Utah on the turn the first landing moves into Seige Point.
The move on Harappan, from the NW and SE. (The view is rotated) Coming at it from NW and SE.
A diversion at Chicago. Mao has been sending singletons towards the far NE out of Guanghzhou and Nanking. This group is tasked to hold the high ground east of the border and force a battle of attrition up there.
Three more turns and Beijing would have been in our hands. Mao wasted most of his strongest troops at trying to break the Jaws of Death between Washington and Shanghai....
A walk in the park this was, though the logistics were a little tricky. Gator should be set up nicely though. The artist is almost to Marseilles, on go to order, so planting him in a newly taken Chinese town in the center of the remaining lands should push us over the top after Beijing goes down.
Mao has dropped a settler and longbow at the point south of Texcoco. Take 'em down!
Knight defeats (8.60/10): Chinese Longbowman
And Mao takes the bait and sends his forces into the jaws of death at Shanghai
But it strips his defenses at Shanghai.
Whittle, then kill
Catapult loses to: Chinese Knight (8.70/10)
Catapult loses to: Chinese Knight (8.70/10)
Catapult loses to: Chinese Knight (10.00/10)
Grenadier defeats (1.20/12): Chinese Longbowman
Grenadier defeats (12.00/12): Chinese Longbowman
Grenadier defeats (4.32/12): Chinese Cho-Ko-Nu
Mao made a small tactical error here. All the troops that received a terrain defense bonus were weaker than his knghts, so the knights killed the catapults but the collateral damage finished the others.
And that was that for the active defense of Shanghai.
Grenadier defeats (9.84/12): Chinese Knight
Grenadier defeats (7.92/12): Chinese Maceman
Knight defeats (6.00/10): Chinese Knight
Grenadier defeats (7.44/12): Chinese Knight
Frigates fire again and the defenses at Shanghai are zeroed.
The taking of Ningbo
Grenadier defeats (10.44/12): Chinese Cho-Ko-Nu
Grenadier defeats (12.00/12): Chinese Catapult
Maceman defeats (5.76/8): Chinese Pikeman
Captured Ningbo (Mao Zedong)
And Baoding
Grenadier defeats (8.40/12): Chinese Longbowman
Grenadier defeats (3.84/12): Chinese Cho-Ko-Nu
Hinduism has spread: Baoding (Chinese Empire)
Hinduism has spread: Baoding
Captured Baoding (Mao Zedong)
After the successful battles at the three interlopers start a march on Kaifeng, very weakly defended but on a hill with fairly strong cultural defenses.
Ling Lun (Great Artist) born in Cuzco put him on a boat and send him to Marseilles with a waiting missionary
Mao loves to poach workers by pulling his defenders out of position
Worker loses to: Chinese Catapult (5.00/5) at New York
Turn 226 (1580 AD)
Knight defeats (10.00/10): Chinese Catapult
Turn 227 (1585 AD)
Pick off a wanderer on the road to Kaifeng but the defenses at Kaifeng are halved.
Grenadier defeats (5.52/12): Chinese Longbowman
Turn 228 (1590 AD)
Didn't even need seige
Grenadier defeats (12.00/12): Chinese Pikeman
Captured Kaifeng (Mao Zedong)
Clear the way for a landing at Shanghai
Knight loses to: Chinese Maceman (2.96/8)
Knight defeats (10.00/10): Chinese Maceman
Turn 229 (1595 AD)
Frigate defeats (2.80/8): Chinese Caravel on its way into Shanghai
And the fall of Shanghai
Catapult loses to: Chinese Longbowman (4.44/6)
Catapult loses to: Chinese Longbowman (2.88/6)
Grenadier defeats (8.40/12): Chinese Longbowman
Grenadier defeats (10.32/12): Chinese Knight
Knight defeats (4.00/10): Chinese Longbowman
Grenadier defeats (8.40/12): Chinese Cho-Ko-Nu
Captured Shanghai (Mao Zedong)
Then start redistributng the forces for the interior towns and Beijing
Pytheas (Great Merchant) born in Tiwanaku. Left him home
Mao does it again
Worker loses to: Chinese Catapult (5.00/5)
Then attacks a musket running recon in the northern hills
Musketman defeats (0.90/9): Chinese Knight
Musketman loses to: Chinese Musketman (9.00/9)
Turn 230 (1600 AD)
The move on Beijing-a force moving NW from Shanghai into the forests to the SW of Beijing. Two full galleon loads offshore at Utah Beach. Land, let them cover an advance due north from Shanghai, then attack when ready Gridley
There is one full galleon SE of Shanghai and another empty on its way in. Use those boats to land at Utah on the turn the first landing moves into Seige Point.
The move on Harappan, from the NW and SE. (The view is rotated) Coming at it from NW and SE.
A diversion at Chicago. Mao has been sending singletons towards the far NE out of Guanghzhou and Nanking. This group is tasked to hold the high ground east of the border and force a battle of attrition up there.
Three more turns and Beijing would have been in our hands. Mao wasted most of his strongest troops at trying to break the Jaws of Death between Washington and Shanghai....
A walk in the park this was, though the logistics were a little tricky. Gator should be set up nicely though. The artist is almost to Marseilles, on go to order, so planting him in a newly taken Chinese town in the center of the remaining lands should push us over the top after Beijing goes down.
Looking Good Bede! 
Nice setup with the valley of death!!
Looks like the AI is a little impatient..
Gator will be happy we left him some fun...
Nice setup with the valley of death!!
Looks like the AI is a little impatient.. Gator will be happy we left him some fun...
DJMGator13
Still breathing
Hi all, I'm back. Had a great time, except for the rain the day we went into NYC. I'll try to get caught up later tonight and should be able to play tomorrow night. @Brad, sorry to hear about your mom. Take care of her and yourself. We'll be praying for you also.
romeothemonk
Order of the Engineer
Maybe I should play a game with Brad and try this. We can name our Warrior Jet Li, give him Martial Arts 3, Rope fighting 2 and visual effects 4. Although none of that would be worth anything until Hollywood was built.Bezhukov said:Brad, don't ever play an SG with LK; I don't think he'd survive the stress. On the other hand, if you played with Romeo, I could see you two attempting to conquer the world with a single warrior.
My assertation to life is, "If Brute Force isn't enough, you aren't using enough brute force." (At least Bez's take on it is)
Due to Job and Family situations (I would like to see at least my first anniversery) I don't play civ that much, but Whenever I can leverage 75%+ odds for taking at least 3 cities, I attack.
I figure that while it may hurt me, It sure hurts the other guy worse.
There are some very interesting points raised in this game, and BF's style is very akin to mine, although more conservative on the combat, and he actually does the math. (After doing math all day at work, err supposedly doing math all day at work instead of reading CFC, I want my fun time to be math free). I would imagine that stacking Greebley, BF, myself and possibly another warmonger would be a very interesting SGOTM for c4. If SGOTM ever makes it to c4. Anyway, enough rambling for now.
Welcome back Gator. Glad to see you survived the northern climates. It was really quite warm while you were up here though, must have brought it with you!!DJMGator13 said:
Too bad you took it home too...
DJMGator13
Still breathing
OK, getting caught back up at work took a little longer than I expected. But I'm finally ready to play. I'll start tonight. Sorry for the delay.
