Geographic Providences

[Falcon02]

Okay We need to do two things if we're going ahead with the Geographic providences.

First, we must Change the constitution to allow for Geographical Providences.

Second, we must decide on a set up for our providences. I personally like Cyc's proposal.

The way I feel we should approach the second part is to gather together various proposals (Preferably drawn out on a map) showing all povidences we would have. They could stretch into enemy territory, but we must remember that those enemy cities aren't garenteed, but just will be taken in time of war with that civ or through culture flips. This way it will give no argument to when we take those cities or get them via culture flips. But once again this may not be the best approach to include enemy cities.

We must get on with this. Having cities by order alone can make providences that are scattered all over the place depending on our military offensives and our Domestic goals when concidering the placement of each settler. So, who's for going on with my plan to get on with the Geographic providences?

 

[disorganizer]

i think all of us... one of our officals should put it to a cabinet-poll.

btw:
why didnt you set up a citizen poll?

 

[eyrei]

Originally posted by disorganizer
i think all of us... one of our officals should put it to a cabinet-poll.

btw:
why didnt you set up a citizen poll?

I think we already established in a poll that we want geographic provinces. We need only define them now.

 

[Falcon02]

hmm... didn't think about it, didn't really think we needed one. I just really wanted to get things going. The Geographic province Idea has been up in the air for a while dispite the large amount of support when it was suggested. I just wanted to make sure we dealt with it soon.

 

[Shaitan]

Originally posted by eyrei


I think we already established in a poll that we want geographic provinces. We need only define them now.

Yeah, it definitely won in the poll.

[Role]This is a mixed bag Domestic/Foreign issue as we're proposing division of homeland as well as foreign territory. However, we think it would be foolish to make this more complicated than it needs to be by separating the two tasks. Foreign Affairs is willing to cede final approval of foreign provincial borders to the Domestic Department. In return we trust Domestics will have no problem allowing FA to handle the Constitutional enquiry?[/Role]

[Interpretation] Province borders (whether in or out of our territory) should be a Domestic affair. I'd like to handle the Constitutional hooplah though. [/Interpretation]

 

[Falcon02]

Well, Now that the issue is reborn and Shaitan has delegated the tasks, i think it's time the Domestic dept. start a tread only for providential border suggestions.

 

[disorganizer]

well. the constitution is not changed yet. is it?
we need to change the constitution first. was there already a cabinet-poll for it?

 

[disorganizer]

and here is my first proposal (not nice, but i dont have a good sw on my laptop do do this)


.... see other thread ...

 

[eyrei]

Originally posted by disorganizer
well. the constitution is not changed yet. is it?
we need to change the constitution first. was there already a cabinet-poll for it?

I think that geographic provinces was assumed in the writing of the constitution. I do not think this requires a cabinet vote. However, the final approval of the provincial borders will probably need to rest on the cabinet.

Shaitan: You do seem to enjoy writing amendments, so go for it. I will start a thread for this discussion.

disorganizer: The picture you posted while I was typing this is exactly my proposal as well. Please post it in the new thread I start as the official proposal of the domestic department.

 

[donsig]

Here's a suggested start for a new amendment:

Section H: Governors and Provinces:

Point 1: A governor controls the production (building queues) of the cities within a province. A governor's production descision can be overturned by a cabinet vote.

Point 2: The Domestic leader is the governor of the first province (the one that contains the national capitol). Other provinces are governed by governors elected by the citizens.

Point 3: The President is empowered to deliniate initial provincal borders in keeping with the prinicple of geographic provinces. Once a city is assigned to a province by the President cabinet approval is required to reassign it to a different provonce.

This essentially rewrites section H of the constitution. It is only an initial suggestion and I'm sure can be written better. The main change is that the President can initially define new provinces without going through the process of a poll and/or cabinet vote. Some things we should just let our leaders decide!

Alternatively, the domestic leader could initially define the provinces - or even the VP if we want to give that posiion something to do! We might also want to put a limit on the number of cities in a province.