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blizzrd said:
Fact: US scientists prefer to use SI units.
Fact: the rest of the world and their scientists prefer to use SI units.
Fact: the US continue to delude themselves that they know best and will continue to use imperial measurement units.

This is not politics, I have no political agenda, I just think that the US are nonsensical to continue to refuse to adopt SI units of measurement.

You can't possibly believe that mentioning George W. Bush at this stage in any way helps your untennable position in this debate. If anything, the fact that the people of the US chose to elect such an idiot to the highest position in government, and not just once but twice mind you, supports my contention that when it comes to arguing "sense" with respect to the US, it is an exercise in futility.

But of course, Americans know best. As they are so quick to tell anyone else who cares to listen, and you surely believe too no doubt.
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As much as I agree that imperial units don't make "sense", I will say one thing. Americans do know best in their own borders. They can and should use whatever units they please and if the people don't want to change then they shouldn't, it is as simple as that.

As for who they choose to elect, I could name five european elected morons for every American. Does it mean they have no sense? No. They voted for the man who best represented their interests, not yours. If the world wants Kerry but the Americans want Bush, I hope they vote Bush. The same goes for the first election and for any other election there ever was. We piss and moan that Americans push their noses into all of our affairs and we call them arrogant, and then without skipping a beat we tell them their choice of leaders is stupid and that we would never elect such a ****** - but then Europeans have always been the kings of arrogance and hypocrisy ;)

Obviously I can see you're not European, but this post was mainly a rant at what I see in my own country (France) and my adopted country (The UK) :)
 
blizzrd said:
Fact: US scientists prefer to use SI units.
Fact: the rest of the world and their scientists prefer to use SI units.
Fact: the US continue to delude themselves that they know best and will continue to use imperial measurement units.
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Look - I have no problem with any of those arguments. They're perfectly reasonable, and theoretically, maybe the US should adopt the metric system. But those are arguments based on popularity, not science.

If X amount of scientists use Dell computers, that doesn't make Dell computers more scientific. That just makes them more popular among scientists.

This is not politics, I have no political agenda, I just think that the US are nonsensical to continue to refuse to adopt SI units of measurement.
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Knee-jerk America-bashing isn't political?



You can't possibly believe that mentioning George W. Bush at this stage in any way helps your untennable position in this debate. If anything, the fact that the people of the US chose to elect such an idiot to the highest position in government, and not just once but twice mind you, supports my contention that when it comes to arguing "sense" with respect to the US, it is an exercise in futility.
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But of course, Americans know best. As they are so quick to tell anyone else who cares to listen, and you surely believe too no doubt.
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Quite the opposite. I just prefer my anti-Americanism to either be true or clever. Claiming that it's unscientific not to use the metric system is neither. Somewhat akin to claiming that it's unscientific not to use the French Republican Calendar - that's in base 10 too!
 
Can we not talk about this please. We all know SE Asians are better than either Europeans or Americans, Hong Kong/Singapore are great, let's move on.
 
STHU about USA and go back to talking about the German UHV!
 
Well, firstly the french republican calendar had a number of advantages, but that is another story.

The main reason why SI units should be used by the entire world is becouse all mesurement units for all things should be the same everywhere. (it's called standardisation)
And since the majority of countries use SI the changes in terms of readjustments of things like local standards and road signs would be much smaller.

Next, if you want to blame someone for rampant american imperialism, blaim Japan.
If they had not atacked them in WW2, america would have newer bothered to become the war mongering superpower that it is today. (or if they had done the job right and won the war)


Than, to return to the german UHV I don't think it is perticulary hard. In fact it is one of the easyest UHV's to acomplish. You just have to have a lot of patience for it.
 
I don't really care to play the whole historical blame game, mostly because it is utterly ********, but regardless of who did what when, the millions of people of any country/culture/civilization don't deserve to be slandered because of the actions, thoughts, words, etc. of select individuals.

Also, I agree with Mekajiki, find AP, Arkaeyn and Panopticon's jokes quite funny and second civ king's suggestion.
 
All that senseless the US are stupid / G.W. Bush is stupid etc. aside, there is a scientifical reason for the SI system, and that is derived units.

For example, units for force (Newton) or energy (Joule) are the same in the US, but they're just short forms for the units (m * kg * s^-2) resp. (m² * kg * s^-2). Replacing metres with feet (or kilograms with ounces) would lead to ridiculously complicated calcularions. Of course, this problem could be solved to define an "Imperial Newton" via feet/yards, but that hasn't happened.

So ... what was the topic again? :)
 
First those are not to commonly used by the average person.

Second there are imperial units that for those measurments. Pound-force and BTU are used in the US, the latter is quite commonly used in Canada as well.

There is nothing that SI can do that the imperial system can't. The only SI units for which there is no common imperial equivalent are shared units (i.e. time). SI's advantages are its consistency and being base 10 (which is an advantage in any society where that is the standard base). It also tends to have easier measures for small and large things (via the prefix system).
 
Well, I'm in the US, since I believe the US is "better" than most others.
Yeah, the US receives a lot of criticisms, but that's because it's more famous than others.
Gossipy media just loves to criticize any problems that famous ones have, while disregarding non-famous morons' moronic actions...

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PPQ_Purple said:
Next, if you want to blame someone for rampant american imperialism, blaim Japan.
If they had not atacked them in WW2, america would have newer bothered to become the war mongering superpower that it is today. (or if they had done the job right and won the war)
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Next, if you want to blame someone for rampant Japanese invasions, blame the US, UK, and some other Euro nations.
1) If they did not colonize and exploit EAsians, Japan must have not been that aggressive - before the 19th C, Japan had only one major invasive war with its long history. The US sent battleships and asked Japan to lend some land, because they wanted a base for whaling. Then many other Euros came and claimed for some land and extraterritoriality. Westerns had been like bullies, and it was simply that those bullies got hit back.

2) Later Japan proposed equality of races in the League of Nations, and the US and UK strongly oppseded to it, and the chairperson of the LN at that time, president Wilson of the US, defied this proposal, while the majority agreed on the proposal. Again, someone had to slap their face to wake them up.

3) Also, before Japan attacked Pearl Harbor, the US sent what they called "volunteer army," Flying Tigers, to China and fought with Japan. If the volunteer army had been equipped only with guns, then maybe they might have deserved to be seen as "volunteers." But, in fact, they got aircrafts, and even salary. OK, imagine how Americans would react if Russia or China had sent their "volunteer army" equipped with their aircrafts and fought against the US during the war in Iraq? What if those soldiers had been paid by Russia or China? I'm quite sure that Americans would have gotten enraged and say, "Hey, they are attacking us!"

I can continue more if someone likes to listen. Then, who should we blame for rampant Western invasions, colonizations, racism, etc?
 
The US was clearly on the road towards open intervention in WWII well before Pearl Harbour, and there is no question that FDR wanted to get involved. And if we are doing that, then why not blame the English for founding the American colonies etc...
 
@usi, say1988
Oh, I am not denying that at all. But if we go like that, we will eventualy end up at the point of blaming the caveman who invente the stone axe to kill other caveman with.

But than again, yeah... he is to blame dam him!
 
Well to be fair there would be no American Imperialism if Japan did it's job right in WW2.
;)
 
usi said:
Well, I'm in the US, since I believe the US is "better" than most others.
Yeah, the US receives a lot of criticisms, but that's because it's more famous than others.
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The term that you are looking for is actually infamous, not famous.
 
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