GIII Delta
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I decided to try Moonsinger's suggestion. I played a continents map and managed to get a landmass to myself.
(Or at least until the Koreans got the GLHouse and settled a few towns in the north.) I chose the Koreans and the Indians because of their low aggression levels. Unfortunately wars raged for much of the time so that plan didn't work too well.
I got the Republic slingshot (possibly because of the early war between India and Korea) and then did min research on Lit. I traded for many of the other techs, using my cash and free tech to help within touch on the bottom path of the MA tech tree. They didn't bother about Lit and I got it around the time the others started Copers, so I knew that the GLib was mine to build whenever I wanted it.
The Koreans attacked me once their war with India was over, despite the fact that I was supplying them with horses. I cleared them off my continent with trebs, MDIs and ACs, taking the last town just as they got rifles. I took peace with my continent securred and waited for the AI civs to make some progress through the tech tree.
The trouble was that the Indians and Koreans had unfinished business and a war kicked off between them again. By the late IA, India had infantry, tanks and planes. Korea didn't have rubber and they were starting to collapse. Finally with Korea down to one city, I converted my palace prebuild to the Great Library. I still lacked AT, Electronics, Mass Prod, Mot Transport and Flight (plus for some strange reason Music Theory) and the Indians were in Modern Times. I also lacked oil and rubber.
The Koreans were soon KO'd and I then remembered to check culture. The Indians were on 50K and gaining by around 500pts per turn.
There was no way that I could do any serious damage with arty, rifles and cavs against TOW Infantry, tanks and bombers in just 10 turns and so I've decided to try again.
On reflection I really needed to have protected the Koreans. Oh well, you live and learn.
(Or at least until the Koreans got the GLHouse and settled a few towns in the north.) I chose the Koreans and the Indians because of their low aggression levels. Unfortunately wars raged for much of the time so that plan didn't work too well.I got the Republic slingshot (possibly because of the early war between India and Korea) and then did min research on Lit. I traded for many of the other techs, using my cash and free tech to help within touch on the bottom path of the MA tech tree. They didn't bother about Lit and I got it around the time the others started Copers, so I knew that the GLib was mine to build whenever I wanted it.
The Koreans attacked me once their war with India was over, despite the fact that I was supplying them with horses. I cleared them off my continent with trebs, MDIs and ACs, taking the last town just as they got rifles. I took peace with my continent securred and waited for the AI civs to make some progress through the tech tree.
The trouble was that the Indians and Koreans had unfinished business and a war kicked off between them again. By the late IA, India had infantry, tanks and planes. Korea didn't have rubber and they were starting to collapse. Finally with Korea down to one city, I converted my palace prebuild to the Great Library. I still lacked AT, Electronics, Mass Prod, Mot Transport and Flight (plus for some strange reason Music Theory) and the Indians were in Modern Times. I also lacked oil and rubber.
The Koreans were soon KO'd and I then remembered to check culture. The Indians were on 50K and gaining by around 500pts per turn. There was no way that I could do any serious damage with arty, rifles and cavs against TOW Infantry, tanks and bombers in just 10 turns and so I've decided to try again. On reflection I really needed to have protected the Koreans. Oh well, you live and learn.
SpiffyKeen7744
Prince
Well, my island game did not work out at all. I am going to try the fast conquest approach and then try the Great Library thing.
OK, well I've made a submission. Not a good date though. 1600AD is hardly going to shock the elite but a win at Sid level is not too easy for players of my standard to come by so I'm reasonably happy. Only 32 turns behind Moonsinger!
I played continents and choose Indians and French as rivals. Two peaceful civs? No! Yet again they were knocking lumps out of each other from the word go. Still, at least they kept away from me.
I had so many things go my way. I got an SGL for Republic when getting the slingshot.
I used him for the GLHouse when MM became available which meant that I could claim my own continent. And six of the eight luxes were with me. Oh happy days. But that's not all. I had all three sources of iron and, a bit later on, both sources of salt. I could even have had a monopoly on rubber and oil if I had settled an island off my coast but I had everything I needed. I lacked Uranium but my pals the Indians kept me supplied.
I didn't bother with the GLib gambit. I just wanted a win and I knew that from this position I should probably get it. The resources helped me keep in touch over the MA and then I stopped trading iron as rails and factories became available. This gave me enough of an edge to get ToE (+GA) and Hoover. I even got SETI for good measure.
I didn't have to worry about the UN as the Indians and French were frequently at war. I thought that I would abstain from any vote once it was built but in the end we all had a chance to vote for ourselves. I can't remember playing a game where all three starting civs were cadidates for Sec Gen of the UN.
It never ceased to amaze me how the AI could easily outresearch me with so few towns and only one lux each. I don't know what I'd do if I had had to rely upon my own research. I was hoping that someone would get Robotics before me and cut my date down by a few turns but no such luck; the French went for Genetics for some reason. Still, they were never going to launch before me. The Indians lacked rubber and Aluminium and I had traded for their spare Uranium so the French could only build some of the parts. I had also kept an eye on culture this time as well!
I'm now wondering about playing a commercial civ with three opponants. Stealing techs was pretty useful, as was trading. Researching is so difficult so maybe I should let the AI do it and just buy/steal the techs from them. Couple that with a GLib gambit to launch into the IA and then get factories set up in time to build the SS parts. Im tempted to try the English for that double commerce bonus of Sea and Com but I'll probably compromise with the Greeks or Koreans. Just a thought.
I played continents and choose Indians and French as rivals. Two peaceful civs? No! Yet again they were knocking lumps out of each other from the word go. Still, at least they kept away from me.
I had so many things go my way. I got an SGL for Republic when getting the slingshot.
I used him for the GLHouse when MM became available which meant that I could claim my own continent. And six of the eight luxes were with me. Oh happy days. But that's not all. I had all three sources of iron and, a bit later on, both sources of salt. I could even have had a monopoly on rubber and oil if I had settled an island off my coast but I had everything I needed. I lacked Uranium but my pals the Indians kept me supplied.
I didn't bother with the GLib gambit. I just wanted a win and I knew that from this position I should probably get it. The resources helped me keep in touch over the MA and then I stopped trading iron as rails and factories became available. This gave me enough of an edge to get ToE (+GA) and Hoover. I even got SETI for good measure.
I didn't have to worry about the UN as the Indians and French were frequently at war. I thought that I would abstain from any vote once it was built but in the end we all had a chance to vote for ourselves. I can't remember playing a game where all three starting civs were cadidates for Sec Gen of the UN.
It never ceased to amaze me how the AI could easily outresearch me with so few towns and only one lux each. I don't know what I'd do if I had had to rely upon my own research. I was hoping that someone would get Robotics before me and cut my date down by a few turns but no such luck; the French went for Genetics for some reason. Still, they were never going to launch before me. The Indians lacked rubber and Aluminium and I had traded for their spare Uranium so the French could only build some of the parts. I had also kept an eye on culture this time as well!
I'm now wondering about playing a commercial civ with three opponants. Stealing techs was pretty useful, as was trading. Researching is so difficult so maybe I should let the AI do it and just buy/steal the techs from them. Couple that with a GLib gambit to launch into the IA and then get factories set up in time to build the SS parts. Im tempted to try the English for that double commerce bonus of Sea and Com but I'll probably compromise with the Greeks or Koreans. Just a thought.
AutomatedTeller
Frequent poster
well, on Sid, the human needs 2.5 times as many beakers as the AI...
I have to get going on this one - I haven't played even 1 game yet!!
I have to get going on this one - I haven't played even 1 game yet!!
Well, I reinstalled Civ3 last weekend. My first attempt was very peaceful...until around 1100 AD, I declared war and game over for me within less than 4 turns after that. My second attempt didn't even last until 1000 BC. My latest attempt was a blast...until the middle of the industrial age, my best friend, my researcher decided to betray me for no good reason. Technically, I could still win, but there wasn't any hope left for a good launch date. Oh well, back to Civ4 for now.
SpiffyKeen7744
Prince
Tone said:
Well, I'll tell you that I tried the self research thing and it did not work. Now, that may be because I had no luxury resources, forcing me to use the luxury slider. In any case, I think that I will need to try a different strategy if I want a spaceship win on sid.
AutomatedTeller
Frequent poster
well, looks like I'm not going to get a gauntlet game in this time - i havent' even generated a map and I've got a bunch of real/life stuff going on. I hope to make it to the next one, though.
Been sidetracked, and haven't even started a game for this yet. We'll see what sort of date I can manage in the next two days.
Bah. 2 games have gone down the toilet. Including one spanking by Babylon. I'm not going to have time to get a game done before the gauntlent ends. Well done to those who did.
killercane
Deity
Finally got one done. 1510 finish. Iroquois vs. Korea, Sumeria, and Byzantines on Pangea, who I think are just about the best AI researchers other than Greece. The problem was the two biggest AIs, Korea and Byzantium, both fought throughout the IA and MA, Korea even nuking the Byzantines into oblivion.
The start was pretty good since I had 3 luxes and a fourth close by that I took from the Byzantines. I could settle most of my objectives thanks to being pretty far from the AI start positions. I rode the GL elevator (GL in Ur), shameful as that may be, to Motorized Transport, and gave away some cities to the Byzantines. The AI got Ecology, Rocketry, and Computers in the MA so that was good. I could do 10 turn research on Nuke power, Laser, and Superconductor, while the Koreans could do 6 turn techs, and didnt veer off to Marines and Ironclads and nonsense like in my previous attempt (1630 game).
I think that one should capture the GL somewhere around Combustion so that you can research sanitation asap and give it to the AIs so they can use all the tiles around their cities better to increase their research. In a game with Persia that I tried, I simply built the GL that the AI forgot to build, then switched my UN prebuild to ToE, and would have hit the MA by 1000 AD, but the AIs refused to cooperate with wars and researching the wrong dead end techs like advanced flight. I lost 2 games to 100k wins as well. I thought the Babylonians were great to play as for this, as Bowmen are pretty awesome against Sid opponents, but I havent explored that option much at this time. Pretty fun games but time consuming.
Im also not sure that self research on Continents could be a good way to go, but I cant find a large enough domination map to allow for each AI to peacefully research while I have some quality land to myself to make that viable.
The start was pretty good since I had 3 luxes and a fourth close by that I took from the Byzantines. I could settle most of my objectives thanks to being pretty far from the AI start positions. I rode the GL elevator (GL in Ur), shameful as that may be, to Motorized Transport, and gave away some cities to the Byzantines. The AI got Ecology, Rocketry, and Computers in the MA so that was good. I could do 10 turn research on Nuke power, Laser, and Superconductor, while the Koreans could do 6 turn techs, and didnt veer off to Marines and Ironclads and nonsense like in my previous attempt (1630 game).
I think that one should capture the GL somewhere around Combustion so that you can research sanitation asap and give it to the AIs so they can use all the tiles around their cities better to increase their research. In a game with Persia that I tried, I simply built the GL that the AI forgot to build, then switched my UN prebuild to ToE, and would have hit the MA by 1000 AD, but the AIs refused to cooperate with wars and researching the wrong dead end techs like advanced flight. I lost 2 games to 100k wins as well. I thought the Babylonians were great to play as for this, as Bowmen are pretty awesome against Sid opponents, but I havent explored that option much at this time. Pretty fun games but time consuming.
Im also not sure that self research on Continents could be a good way to go, but I cant find a large enough domination map to allow for each AI to peacefully research while I have some quality land to myself to make that viable.
Nice date, killer! 
Did you get attacked at any point, or involved in any of those massive wars? It looks like you had some early conflict but them became very peaceful from the MA onwards.
(Note to self: Start working on improvement of Sid early game techniques so that I am able to survive on a Pangea map.)
Did you get attacked at any point, or involved in any of those massive wars? It looks like you had some early conflict but them became very peaceful from the MA onwards.(Note to self: Start working on improvement of Sid early game techniques so that I am able to survive on a Pangea map.)
killercane
Deity
If you can make it to Writing and ROPs, you can prevent them from attacking you.* Korea and the Byz actually paid me for an ROP and became gracious pretty early. I usually try to buy writing asap, research philo if I have any sort of shot at getting it or buy it and CoL, and then Republic. Just watch your ROPs if you plan an attack and never ever ever lose your rep so you can borrow all that AI gold to steal from them and buy infrastructure with.
I dont build a granary and just spew settlers out from the start. I usually try to settle from outside in and towards the AI expansion. I usually go about 8 tiles away with the first settler and settle very loosely to have more room for cities later. In this game, the little cities the AI built on the fringes of my land I took in my later land grab, except for Kaesong. I never fought the Koreans. Of course Kaesong happened to have the closest aluminum, and I had to pay Korea almost 800 gpt for aluminum to build my spaceship parts.
*Usually. The modern age is a different bird though as they will sometimes attack you if you have had a previous war with them and you are about to get the ship done. I'm glad I did not attack Korea early for that one "worthless" city. Considering the nukes they unleashed on Byzantium, I would have been toast.
I dont build a granary and just spew settlers out from the start. I usually try to settle from outside in and towards the AI expansion. I usually go about 8 tiles away with the first settler and settle very loosely to have more room for cities later. In this game, the little cities the AI built on the fringes of my land I took in my later land grab, except for Kaesong. I never fought the Koreans. Of course Kaesong happened to have the closest aluminum, and I had to pay Korea almost 800 gpt for aluminum to build my spaceship parts.
*Usually
. The modern age is a different bird though as they will sometimes attack you if you have had a previous war with them and you are about to get the ship done. I'm glad I did not attack Korea early for that one "worthless" city. Considering the nukes they unleashed on Byzantium, I would have been toast.
Was 160 years close enough for your happiness? I don't think I've even ever beat Sid...Tone said:We step on hallowed turf with this game. Moonsinger holds the number 1 (and only) slot in this section. I'll be happy to get within 100 years of her date.
Oh please don't get me wrong 'slug; any win on Sid is a great achievement for me. I had to be sneaky and play games where I had my own continent, so that the AI couldn't reach me until I had expanded enough.
Now that killercane guy; he's plays a much more honest game. He choses scientific opponants on a pangea map and feels guilty when using the GL elevator. A worthy winner in my book. Well done, sir!
Now that killercane guy; he's plays a much more honest game. He choses scientific opponants on a pangea map and feels guilty when using the GL elevator. A worthy winner in my book. Well done, sir!
archphoenix
Prince
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conguratulations for such great date and brave deed!
I try some maps, and all of them vanished before IA,
even two of them give me a POT-SGL.
I try some maps, and all of them vanished before IA,
even two of them give me a POT-SGL.
killercane
Deity
Thanks for the compliment from the Gauntlet champ. How many gauntlets have you won again?
Well if we are counting, I've not one any of the new (greek lettered) series whereas with a little bit of research, I've found out that you've won two!
Congrats again. I'll be looking to get a victory in the next one but as long as the competition is strong, I'll be happy enough with a runner-up slot. See you in the Epsilon thread?
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