Glenn Beck Says All Hispanics Should Go Back Where They Came From!

[Formaldehyde]

So anyways, Ms. Helen Thomas already was castigated by her boss and resigned.

Too bad Helen didn't work for Fox News and said something similar about Palestinians instead. She probably would have gotten a promotion for being "fair and balanced".

 

[MobBoss]

Sure, but as someone who lives in Canada, where I am equally likely to be killed by a terrorist attack as a meteor strike or a freak typing accident, terrorism isn't really that high up on my list of things to worry about on a day to day basis.

But if you lived within miles of the Gaza border, it would be a bit higher up on that list wouldnt it?

And since thats precisely what we have been talking about, thats why its a red herring.

Anyway, Helen Thomas can now return to her castle in Oz with all the flying monkeys. Good for her.

 

[JollyRoger]

But if you lived within miles of the Gaza border.

Or have settled in defiance of the border. Where the heck are the Minutemen and Sheriff Joe when they are needed?

 

[Leonel]

So anyways, Ms. Helen Thomas already was castigated by her boss and resigned.

Not sure why Glenn Beck and Hispanics need to be dragged into it.

Does this mean Glenn Beck can be fired now?

 

[Arwon]

Why are we discussing the odds of such an incursion? We have you all side tracked my thread! As Paradigm pointed out, this is not a discussion on comparative statistics between a natural disaster and a massive group of people who want a certain race of people annihilated simply because they read the Torah and not the Quran. This is also a thread about anti-semitism, and anti-semitism that exists within the mainstream of American society, just slightly hidden and out of mainstream view. There are plenty of people who are now defending Thomas and her absolutely insane and racist comments.

I find it the dichotomy of history strange. In the 1930s many Europeans and Westerners (also Russians) felt that the Jews needed to go back to Palestine. They were viewed as parasites that were stealing land and population bombing various areas as they were driven out of Palestine. The age old question of the Jewish problem was to simply send them back to Palestine. Now many western liberals, like Thomas, feel that the Jews need to get out of Palestine and go back to where they came from (Poland, Germany, the US). As much as I have always, always despised Helen Thomas, I found this to be rather shocking in its content and frankness. And it really makes me wonder have far anti-semitism extends throughout liberal western society.

Everyone over 40 is racist.

 

[Formaldehyde]

And since thats precisely what we have been talking about, thats why its a red herring.

You can keep trying to insist it is a red herring but it clearly isn't. There are literally dozens of articles about terrorism where the author compares the odds to being struck by lightning and other occurances to the incredibly tiny chance of actually being a victim of terrorism yourself, even in a country which is repeatedly attacked due to its absurd domestic and foreign policies such as Israel and the US.

In this particular case, there have been a total of 27 people killed by rockets and mortars over the past 10 years. If it continues at the current rate, the odds are 2.7 million to one that an Israeli will actually die from this cause in a given year. That puts it way beyond the odds of death by fireworks discharge, at least in the US.

 

[Traitorfish]

And it really makes me wonder have far anti-semitism extends throughout liberal western society.

If you keep misusing "anti-semitism" like that, you're just going to rob it of all value. We'll have another "fascist" on our hands before too long.

 

[MobBoss]

In this particular case, there have been a total of 27 people killed by rockets and mortars over the past 10 years. If it continues at the current rate, the odds are 2.7 million to one that an Israeli will actually die from this cause in a given year. That puts it way beyond the odds of death by fireworks discharge, at least in the US.

And yet the odds of a rocket attack actually killing someone per launch is about 1:300 comparing the number of launches to the number of fatalities.

Not to mention how many have been injured by those attacks?

How many suffer from PTSD or similar issues because of those attacks?

 

[ColdClimate]

This is one of those bewildering times when I am equally confused by both sides of an argument...

In this particular case, there have been a total of 27 people killed by rockets and mortars over the past 10 years. If it continues at the current rate, the odds are 2.7 million to one that an Israeli will actually die from this cause in a given year. That puts it way beyond the odds of death by fireworks discharge, at least in the US.

And yet the odds of a rocket attack actually killing someone per launch is about 1:300 comparing the number of launches to the number of fatalities.

So from what I can tell, Formaldehyde is saying that there is a 27M:1 chance that an israeli alive today will be killed by a rocket/mortar, and Mobboss is saying that every time a rocket/mortar is launched, it has a 1:3000 chance of ending an israeli life...

So if we compromise and say that living in Israel within range of a rocket is hazardous to your health, where does that leave us?

 

[Formaldehyde]

So if we compromise and say that living in Israel within range of a rocket is hazardous to your health, where does that leave us?

It is far less hazardous to your health than an asteroid impact killing you by over a factor of 10.

 

[ColdClimate]

It is far less "hazardous to your health" than an asteroid impact killing you by over a factor of 10.

Um, not if you go by the caveat of 'living within rocket range of Gaza'.

 

[ParadigmShifter]

Well is someone going to start a "debunk my statistical nonsense" thread or what?

 

[Formaldehyde]

Um, not if you go by the caveat of 'living within rocket range of Gaza'.

Yes, that is exactly what it means.

 

[ColdClimate]

Um, yes, that is exactly what it means.

Um, no, it really isn't.

Take the example of hippo attacks. On a global scale, the odds of being killed by a hippo, by anyone, is virtually nil. If, however, you happen to live next to a river that is home to a group of angry hippos, the odds of you personally being killed by a hippo are much, much higher, to the point where you'd probably want to consider some hippo defenses.

The number you used is takes the whole population of israel into account, but the say, 50 000 people who live withi range of Gaza (just taking an estimate here), the denominator shrinks massively, and you end up with much greater odds of being hit, provided that you live in that area.

Paradigm: I would, but I can't think of a good opening OP...

 

[Formaldehyde]

That's an excellent point. Most Israelis are not within range so they would only have a chance to die if they travelled to the area. I think someone mentioned that there were 180,000 or so Israelis who live within the range of the Qassams. That would mean the actual odds from dying from one of these rockets would be around 66,000 to one if you lived within range, and virtually zero if you did not.

So they would actually be 3 times more likely to die from rockets than being killed by an asteroid and about the same odds as a US resident being legally executed.

 

[ColdClimate]

My, you're a jolly fellow.... ( )

So what point were we all trying to make, then?

 

[JollyRoger]

It's better to live next to Gaza than get arrested in Texas.

 

[ColdClimate]

It's better to live next to Gaza than get arrested in Texas.

...which brings us right back to Glen Beck and the hispanics!!! This thread has become so derailed, it's lapped itself!!!!

 

[Formaldehyde]

Perhaps we should start a relief fund for all those people who die from asteroids.

I think it is a good idea to keep in mind how big of a threat any actual occurance is. As the article I posted earlier pointed out:

According to the National Center for Health Statistics, the leading causes of death in the United States are, in this order, heart disease, cancer, stroke, chronic lower respiratory diseases, and "accidental injury," a broad category that includes a lot of stuff that just happens.

I'm sure the same holds true for Israelis and even Palestinians. And even Helen Thomas.

 

[warpus]

But if you lived within miles of the Gaza border, it would be a bit higher up on that list wouldnt it?

And since thats precisely what we have been talking about, thats why its a red herring.

Anyway, Helen Thomas can now return to her castle in Oz with all the flying monkeys. Good for her.

Were we? Well slap me silly and call me American, but half the time I really have no idea what we're talking about