Darius
Smith, Wesson, and me
This is a time of war.
GNBv3, PBEM 2
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W.i.n.t.e.r
Frozen!
"He who thinks of wisedom, is yet foolish enough as to talk of war"
Sun Tzu
Besides, what good would it be if the French hold those cities you claim now but could not defend by yourself- I think France has no need listening to your empty threats as little as Prussia or our Austrian and Russian friends do.
Sun Tzu
Besides, what good would it be if the French hold those cities you claim now but could not defend by yourself- I think France has no need listening to your empty threats as little as Prussia or our Austrian and Russian friends do.
Darius
Smith, Wesson, and me
I don't know exactly what you're talking about with French holding or me not defending
. They are holding nothing. The cities will remain under neutral government until they can be occupied by me, and I am saying that you do not attack them during the neutral interim. But as for threats to France, I thought I made it clear that I am allied with them. There are no threats between us, only exchanges.
W.i.n.t.e.r
Frozen!
It takes two to wage war, only one to finish it- or as the Oracle of Delphi announced to a once great king: "If thau crossed this river, thau shalt destroy a mighty kingdom" -his own as was to show...
Sooo- I really wonder how France will take this unilatteral declaration of war against Prussia- and I hope the Great and Wise leaders of Austria and Russia will realise just how important Prussia is for the stability of power in Europe, and stemm against French expansionism and the -overstated- British imperialistic tendencies.
His Majesty, King Friedrich Wilhelm III of Prussia and Saxony invites the French ruler, General Napoleon Bonaparte to hold talks on the subject of forming a strategic alliance in the heart of Europe- and leave British ambition to steal our land and coin unheard.
Sooo- I really wonder how France will take this unilatteral declaration of war against Prussia- and I hope the Great and Wise leaders of Austria and Russia will realise just how important Prussia is for the stability of power in Europe, and stemm against French expansionism and the -overstated- British imperialistic tendencies.
His Majesty, King Friedrich Wilhelm III of Prussia and Saxony invites the French ruler, General Napoleon Bonaparte to hold talks on the subject of forming a strategic alliance in the heart of Europe- and leave British ambition to steal our land and coin unheard.
Darius
Smith, Wesson, and me
Too late.
W.i.n.t.e.r
Frozen!
1)
Uhm U said that that the French would be faster than me conquering the cities in question- do you really think they would give them back- these being in such a nice and strategic position for them ?
2)
You don't have ground forces to hold any of the promises (be that exchanges or threats) even conquering those cities- first come, first serve
(that goes for the magnificent French as well)
3)
As for the alliance with France- I wouldn't know since U R the first to mention such things to begin with ??!!
Uhm U said that that the French would be faster than me conquering the cities in question- do you really think they would give them back- these being in such a nice and strategic position for them ?
2)
You don't have ground forces to hold any of the promises (be that exchanges or threats) even conquering those cities- first come, first serve
(that goes for the magnificent French as well)3)
As for the alliance with France- I wouldn't know since U R the first to mention such things to begin with ??!!
Darius
Smith, Wesson, and me
1) I said "free hand" along your borders. That says nothing about the French taking something and giving it back to you. That implies just what you seem to want, first come first serve 
.
If you lose the race for them, then you may well get nothing; that is your choice.
2) I already declared to you, it is not first come first serve, unless you are prepared to accept the consequences:
I may not occupy them for a while, or I may soon, that is for me to know and you to find out. But if you take any of the three while I am preparing to, then when I am capable I will take them back, by force. In the meantime I will declare war on you, sink every piece of Prussian wood that floats, and blow apart any unit that is foolish enough to near the shore outside of a coastally defended city.
You are correct that I cannot speak for France, but I am somewhat confident that if you infringed on what I consider my land, and I declared war on you, he might join in. Without a British enemy in the Mediterranean and in Europe, he has the capability to focus solely on you and would be able to win, but that is all his choice when the situation arises. All eyes will be on Amsterdam, Copenhagen, and Hamburg to see whether or not Prussia would have so little concern for her children that she would spark massive, continental war for a few cities. That will all be your choice, and history will remember that.
3) As should seem obvious, our alliance came about after secret negotiations. He offered peace in exchange for all of my requests minus Amsterdam. I found Amsterdam's closeness to my shores important in terms of logistics in European land operations, so I made a counter-offer in which I would not only give peace, but a rock-solid alliance with him in exchange for all of my demands. He agreed, and I hope he will post here to confirm as soon as he is able.
.If you lose the race for them, then you may well get nothing; that is your choice.
2) I already declared to you, it is not first come first serve, unless you are prepared to accept the consequences:
I may not occupy them for a while, or I may soon, that is for me to know and you to find out. But if you take any of the three while I am preparing to, then when I am capable I will take them back, by force. In the meantime I will declare war on you, sink every piece of Prussian wood that floats, and blow apart any unit that is foolish enough to near the shore outside of a coastally defended city.
You are correct that I cannot speak for France, but I am somewhat confident that if you infringed on what I consider my land, and I declared war on you, he might join in. Without a British enemy in the Mediterranean and in Europe, he has the capability to focus solely on you and would be able to win, but that is all his choice when the situation arises. All eyes will be on Amsterdam, Copenhagen, and Hamburg to see whether or not Prussia would have so little concern for her children that she would spark massive, continental war for a few cities. That will all be your choice, and history will remember that.
3) As should seem obvious, our alliance came about after secret negotiations. He offered peace in exchange for all of my requests minus Amsterdam. I found Amsterdam's closeness to my shores important in terms of logistics in European land operations, so I made a counter-offer in which I would not only give peace, but a rock-solid alliance with him in exchange for all of my demands. He agreed, and I hope he will post here to confirm as soon as he is able.
W.i.n.t.e.r
Frozen!
I don't really think I could have misunderstood any of these straight foreward threats- and you already spoke for France without prior consultation, threatening Prussia with war- under the exact same aspect of YOUR "first come, first serve" terms- so who is sparking a European war now, Sir ?
But tell me just one thing- assuming France really bothers about Prussia- how is it going to get to Prussia without taking the German/Northern European states by default ???
Besides- Prussia is a nation without naval ambitions- I will not parade my two (2) frigates in front of your nose if that is what U r hoping for
It is true that Prussia is neither armed nor bound to harm Britain, we however protest in the light of British attempts to barter for lands not in their or its apparent ally's posession, while offering blood and steel in exchange.
Darius
Smith, Wesson, and me
Fine, if you are going to be scrutinize so thoroughly, I retract the "
full might of the Anglo-French alliance" sentence, as I cannot speak for him. Instead, if you attack the three cities, you will have war with Britain certainly, and France probably. That is all I can say with my friend not present.
Read more carefully, for god's sake. I not once, NOT ONCE, mentioned first come first serve in reference to the three northern cities I claim. I said that in reference to the
I am hardly sparking a European war. After negotiation with France, I have declared the three northern cities British. That is in no way an act of war. At the worst it is just strong talk. You would be sparking war by attacking these cities I claim, as you would be the one firing guns.
I understand that you have no naval ambitions, and likewise I see no threat in your navy. Think of it this way: we are exact opposites in capability. You are a continental nation with a large army and virtually no navy, while I am an isolated nation with a large navy and virtually no army. While you have no interest in fixing your lackings at sea, I have great interest in fixing my lackings on land, and that is why I have such staunch continental ambitions. Britain needs a continental presence to ensure her survival, and this deal with France was the opportunity. Just as the English Channel isolates Britain from continental attack, the English Channel isolates Britain from the continent and hinders her ability in land war. Therefore, I see no threat in your naval ambition, but I see threat in how you stand in the way of my land ambition.
The right to claim neutral territories to your chagrin is a right gained by power, and indeed it is power that France and I posess.
God, what do I have to do, draw you a picture? Guess so:
full might of the Anglo-French alliance" sentence, as I cannot speak for him. Instead, if you attack the three cities, you will have war with Britain certainly, and France probably. That is all I can say with my friend not present.
Read more carefully, for god's sake. I not once, NOT ONCE, mentioned first come first serve in reference to the three northern cities I claim. I said that in reference to the
verbatim.
I am hardly sparking a European war. After negotiation with France, I have declared the three northern cities British. That is in no way an act of war. At the worst it is just strong talk. You would be sparking war by attacking these cities I claim, as you would be the one firing guns.
I understand that you have no naval ambitions, and likewise I see no threat in your navy. Think of it this way: we are exact opposites in capability. You are a continental nation with a large army and virtually no navy, while I am an isolated nation with a large navy and virtually no army. While you have no interest in fixing your lackings at sea, I have great interest in fixing my lackings on land, and that is why I have such staunch continental ambitions. Britain needs a continental presence to ensure her survival, and this deal with France was the opportunity. Just as the English Channel isolates Britain from continental attack, the English Channel isolates Britain from the continent and hinders her ability in land war. Therefore, I see no threat in your naval ambition, but I see threat in how you stand in the way of my land ambition.
The right to claim neutral territories to your chagrin is a right gained by power, and indeed it is power that France and I posess.
God, what do I have to do, draw you a picture? Guess so:
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W.i.n.t.e.r
Frozen!
And a nice one too 
Ok- lets (sorry- got my laughing muscles there) come to terms here- hummm...
(1) if France takes the cities in question while leaving Frankfurt alone I have no problem with that; on the contrary
(2) I am a bit concerned about Britain claiming Hamburg and (!) Cobenhavn- but perhaps we can barter for them at a more relaxed point in time.
(3) Stop threatening me
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Ok- lets
(sorry- got my laughing muscles there) come to terms here- hummm... (1) if France takes the cities in question while leaving Frankfurt alone I have no problem with that; on the contrary
(2) I am a bit concerned about Britain claiming Hamburg and (!) Cobenhavn- but perhaps we can barter for them at a more relaxed point in time.
(3) Stop threatening me
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Darius
Smith, Wesson, and me
All right, I can see that this is not the place to diplomatically convince anybody. I'll just put it in simple terms and you can make your own decisions:
1) If you attack Hamburg, Copenhagen, or Amsterdam, I will instantly declare war on Prussia. France might follow suit.
2) On the issue of Munchen, Baden, and Frankfurt, I have no interest. Consider it first come first serve between you and France.
No more discussion, let's just wait for your turn.
1) If you attack Hamburg, Copenhagen, or Amsterdam, I will instantly declare war on Prussia. France might follow suit.
2) On the issue of Munchen, Baden, and Frankfurt, I have no interest. Consider it first come first serve between you and France.
No more discussion, let's just wait for your turn.
W.i.n.t.e.r
Frozen!
You R doing it again- and I'll make my own decissions ( do I look like someone who cares what you have decided in your own grace, sunbathing in the light of your non-existent glory- for I have seen little to suggest British supremacy over central Europe???
We do not wish to agravate things with France- and surelly find a way of communicating with them without Britain looking down on Prussia or France.
Just a reminder of how easily things could go wrong...
Darius
Smith, Wesson, and me
Damn right I'm threatening you.
My position is clear, now quit talking and wait for your turn.
And what about "looking down on Prussia and France"? I certainly don't lopk down on France (they're even stronger than me). And I don't even look down on you. I only know what I have to do on the continent, and I won't let you stand in my way.
W.i.n.t.e.r
Frozen!
*BLUBB*
academia
Master of the Universe
Come on!! Why don´t you end this stupid negotiations?
They are nonsense. It´s obvious that Friederich Wilhelm II is the true and only heir to the Holy Roman Empire throne.
He is the one who will unify Germany; it´s his destiny. Not this new "stupid republican ideas" guy called Napoleon.
To sum up, Francis II asks Napoleon to retreat his troops from the French-German boundaries. Otherwise, you´ll face the power of the mighty austrian forces.
They are nonsense. It´s obvious that Friederich Wilhelm II is the true and only heir to the Holy Roman Empire throne.
He is the one who will unify Germany; it´s his destiny. Not this new "stupid republican ideas" guy called Napoleon.
To sum up, Francis II asks Napoleon to retreat his troops from the French-German boundaries. Otherwise, you´ll face the power of the mighty austrian forces.
Darius
Smith, Wesson, and me
That still gives him little prerogative in the low countries and none in Denmark. 
Hamburg is the only infringement on the Empire, if you even want to consider it relevant in this day and age. Besides, I resent the idea of a Prussian king assuming control of the Empire merely because he is the only possible heir available. Prussia has traditionally been nothing more than a thorn in the Empire's side.
Hamburg is the only infringement on the Empire, if you even want to consider it relevant in this day and age. Besides, I resent the idea of a Prussian king assuming control of the Empire merely because he is the only possible heir available. Prussia has traditionally been nothing more than a thorn in the Empire's side.
academia
Master of the Universe
Ok Napoleon, if that´s your will...
* Austria declared war on the unholy Ottoman Empire and the puny Neutral Alliance.
* Austrian troops liberate Venecia from the french agressor.
* Our mighty forces also took over Sarajevo.
Francis II calls european royal houses to form an alliance in the name of MONARCHY
We will defeat those stupid republican ideas. Finally, we will gain control of France, and restablish monarchy. It´s unavoidable.
* Austria declared war on the unholy Ottoman Empire and the puny Neutral Alliance.
* Austrian troops liberate Venecia from the french agressor.
* Our mighty forces also took over Sarajevo.
Francis II calls european royal houses to form an alliance in the name of MONARCHY
We will defeat those stupid republican ideas. Finally, we will gain control of France, and restablish monarchy. It´s unavoidable.
Darius
Smith, Wesson, and me
damn, man, read the thread. um, I'm Britain. hope your mistake didn't affect your turn. Also, I'm allied with France and am going to change my government to the same kind as theirs.
W.i.n.t.e.r
Frozen!
Originally posted by Darius
That still gives him little prerogative in the low countries and none in Denmark.
Actually Hamburg is of vital strategic importance to Prussia and the Empire- why would Britain be so keen on claiming it for itself?
But enough of this futile discussion-
Prussia welcomes Austria with open arms, the Impeial crown, however shall be worn by our Cousin Francis II himself, by tradition, as well as due to his noble gesture of responding to the call of fellow German peoples in distant lands.
At the same time Prussia urges French leader Napoleon not to indulge into any of the thoughtless and megalomaniatic adventures incited by forein powers off the coast of Europe.
