GOTM #14 *Spoilers* Thread

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Well, ouch.

I've never played Deity before (GOTM#13 was my first full Monarch, even) and now I have confirmation as to why. I sorta gave up on this one, but I did manage to meet my goal: survive to 10AD. Anyhow, here's the gory details:

BC 4000 -- Start out, begin by building a warrior for defense and one for exploration and then a settler.

BC 3000 -- Expand to Ur, 4 tiles straight SW amongst the dyes.

BC 2630 -- First exploring warrior finally finds a hut way far to the east. Got pottery. Another exploring warrior ticks some people off just NW of Babylon. Somehow he survives the attack and becomes elite.

BC 2510 -- Find another hut with gold. Make the mistake of checking Demographics; I'm dead last in just about everything.

BC 2350 -- Meet Persia. Super. My first deity game and I've got Xerxes on my border.

BC 2150 -- Science Guy cheerily informs me that "We are backwards people; we cannot allow this to continue."

BC 1910 -- Japan builds the Oracle. Yeesh. Next turn China chimes in with the Pyramids.

BC 1380 -- India builds the Colossus. Persia comes to visit to demand 34 gold. I meekly comply.

BC 1000 -- Settle my 8th city and doubt I'll get any more. Persia has at least twice that and appears to be the only other guy on the continent. At least I managed to grab an instance of all 3 luxuries.

BC 950 -- India's got the great lighthouse up; I don't think my people even have an alphabet...

BC 775 -- Trade my newly discovered Alphabet to Persia for Mysticism. Xerxes starts up the Hanging Gardens next turn...

BC 710 -- Japan finishes off the Great Library. Obviously the Asians are the cultural/technological leaders of this game. I meet the zulu when they run a boat by my shores and trade them contact with Persia for writing. Xerxes seems to be massing troops by my far Eastern cities. Did I mention that I don't have any iron?

BC 690 -- Here they come. I get a golden age out of it as the bowmen survive the intial archer/horse assault. Won't be long until the immortals come, though.

BC 550 -- I now know why I'm doing so poorly; my people are morons. The proof: Persia razes one city and captures another and the very next turn my people think that's so great that they start up a palace...

BC 510 -- Persia is willing to offer peace if I give them one of my remaining cities. Well, screw them. It is at this point in the game that I officially give up cause I'm obviously not good enough for deity. I tell Xerxes to come and take my cities if he wants 'em

BC 430 -- Give zulu a whole bunch to declare war on Persia; it doesn't much matter but I'm not gonna do anything with that money.

BC 370 -- Persia now offers peace as I'm down to Babylon. They captured Nineveh and Uruk, I disbanded two other cities to pool all my troops in the capitol and gave Ur to the Zulu for the hell of it. I accept peace, breaking the Zulu alliance, so that I can live to see AD.

BC 10 -- Well, I made it. Persia is beating on whatever the Zulu drop by. The Zulu are still polite with me and ask for a new alliance vs Persia. I take it and sit back with my dozen bowmen and wait for the end to come.

AD 50 -- The last man falls, I have suffered a humiliating defeat. Hammurabi the Pathetic amasses 360 points. Persia's over 11k. Persia is kicking butt, the Zulu probably would only survive because they're on another continent. I never did meet the Asians, but the final replay shows them all pretty much equal and there's at least some war going on as an Indian city got destroyed.

Looks like it's back to the lower difficulties for me. At least I made it to AD.
 
lost by 300 or so AD, 30-50 Persian Rifle men Beat my 4 Spearman defence.... No funny business there.....

i had no money per turn, no research, no lux, no f****ng nothing

deity is just stupid....... :mad:
 
Diety. I've played a few, got crushed in most of them and survived near the end in two of them (One lost by spaceship, other some civ got domination).

Starting spot was ok. River, luxuries not too far off. Horses pretty close. No iron. :( .

Built a few cities, Persia had a huge lead over me. Built some more, they had twice as many. Got 8 cities built some bowmen and destroyed one Persian city and made peace before they massacred me. Now I've rebuilt my forces and am going to try to take Persepolis, since I' really close to it and hopefully 2-3 more cities. If I can keep up this hit and peace method for a while I'll slowly take away their cities directly north of me. Don't care about the ones in the NE. Haven't seen any Immortals so I'm fighting now. They have 3-4 horsemen and 8 or 9 archers, atleast that's what I've seen in near my lands.

They have twice has many points as me. I'm 6th in all the important demographics except Approval, which I and my citizens happily lead. :)
 
Wow. I got smoked as well, in 440 AD. The Persians just built too huge a lead by gobbling up the continent like some kind of bacteria colony. By the time I had 8 cities I was surrounded by green.

Was able to secure the Dyes, Gems, and Incense early on (founded a city off to the east to get the iron and incense). I was the first to meet the Zulu and introduce them to the Persians for lots of tech. Also was the first to meet the Asians and get more techs by introducing the Zulu and Persians to them. I had tech parity with the world up to the end.

Then disasters started. As I was building cathedrals and such, I lost 2 cities in the North to culture flipping. Then the Persians sneak-attacked me. I held my own and captured Jinjan, a city to the east. And then I almost took Gordium, a size 12 city on the floodplains with all the wheat, but 12 Swordsmen were not enough...I guess needed 13. There was one elite spearman left with one hitpoint, but I had no one left to kill him. Next turn he was regenerated and the city was reinforced. If I had taken it the game would still be going now. But the game turned bad on that one hp. :cry:

Then the Immortals came and opened a full 12-pack on me. I lost Ellipi, and with it my only source for iron and incense. I paid Xerxes some cash and Dyes for peace, but it was just a matter of time at that point before I became assimilated. I had about 15 turns of peace and was sneak-attacked again. This time he came with Knights (about 400 ad) and sliced through me like butter.

Ugh. I thought I had a good start too. If I had taken Gordium it might be a different story, but that's the way the empire crumbles.

GL to the rest of you...
-Apolex

Edit: fixed typos
 
Summary -

I wonder how many will survive this game. This map is fundamentally screwed for a deity game. The single worse situation in deity is sharing a continent with one other civ. Having it be aggressive Persia is 10 times worse. To survive you need to have the AI civs fighting each other, not you. That is what gives you a chance to quietly build up, instead I have wasted more of the BC period building military like crazy. I am still going, but for how long, I don't know.
 
This is not working, so I am going to start over. I hope starting over from the CFC's downloaded saved file is not cheating since I have seen this island and I know where the Persians and 3 huts are.

I thought there might be a QSC this month so I wrote everything down:
4000BC moved settler to forest, moved forman to cattle
3950BC built Babylon & building warrior, researching Masonry,
6.2.2, mining cattle then will build road,
governors will manage citizen moods & emphasize production
3700BC Babylon building warrior, warrior moves north
3600BC 1.9.0
3550BC Babylon building warrior, warrior moves east along coast
3500BC worker moves to shield/river square & will build mine/road
3450BC northward warrior finds 3 Harappan warriors from Huts
3400BC Harappans kill warrior
3350BC Babylon building warrior, warrior moves north
3150BC Babylon building warrior, warrior moves west along coast
3100BC northward warrior meets Persians,
worker moves to wheat/river square & will build mine/road
2950BC Babylon building settler, warrior fortifies, 0.10.0
2670BC Babylon building Colossus, 1.9.0,
settler moves nw 1 then west 2,
eastward warrior finds warrior in Huts who will explore
2550BC built Ur & building warrior, 3.7.0,
worker moved sw & will build mine/road
2430BC set research tree to Map Making, 0.10.0
2350BC Ur building warrior, warrior goes to Babylon
2190BC eastward warrior finds 3 Hurrians from Huts
2150BC Ur building settler, warrior fortifies,
worker moved sw & will build mine/road,
westward warrior goes to Ur
1750BC Ur building Palace, settler goes ne 5 then e 1,
worker moved w & will build mine/road, 1.9.0
1725BC northward warrior working it's way back to our borders
exploring warrior working it's way back to our borders
1700BC eastward warrior working it's way back to our borders
1650BC build Nineveh, building settler, 3.7.0
1625BC 0.10.0
1525BC Babylon allocates it's citizens to not produce shields
1500BC exploring warrior fortifies at Nineveh,
worker moves to dye square & will build road
1450BC quitting
 
I got wiped well before 1AD. And cant claim bad luck.
To any of you that actualy manage to survive this game until 1000AD. GREAT WORK!
 
Originally posted by RedTopJay
This is not working, so I am going to start over. I hope starting over from the CFC's downloaded saved file is not cheating since I have seen this island and I know where the Persians and 3 huts are.

I thought there might be a QSC this month so I wrote everything down:


This is considered CHEATING - period.
A reload is only allows to fix things such as mis-clicked order - read the GOTM rules.
 
could somebody post a map for this, please?

I've never played a GOTM, nor have I ever played deity. I intend to have a go at this one, although I won't be submitting. Seeing the map would certainly be a big help!

The only reason I'm giving this a go is cos it's Babylon (my favourite civ, and I've won on emperor with them on a huge map) and that it's a standard map (I normally play huge maps, so that might be to my advantage). Wish me luck though!!!
 
I managed to get to 10AD so far.
I just got peace, giving all my gold and 7gpt.
4 cities left, one cut off. Swarms of immortals just itching to cross the border. Waaay behind in science.
Going to see how long i can survive now, depends on Xerxes patience :)

GOTD (game of the day) for me and many others, good timing though since this is a busy month. :)
 
Originally posted by LKendter



This is considered CHEATING - period.
A reload is only allows to fix things such as mis-clicked order - read the GOTM rules.

Have you read the GOTM rules? There is nothing in the rules about quitting and starting over. Reload is cheating, I said nothing about reloading. Are you saying that I can not play this game several times a month WITHOUT RELOADING and submit the best score at the end of the month? I do NOT believe that you or anyone loads CivGOTMxx.sav only once a month.
 
this is shame and good challenge. culturally linked postions, to make sure weakest civ in civ3 ( babylon) is next to strongest ( persia).
 
Originally posted by RedTopJay


Have you read the GOTM rules? There is nothing in the rules about quitting and starting over. Reload is cheating, I said nothing about reloading. Are you saying that I can not play this game several times a month WITHOUT RELOADING and submit the best score at the end of the month? I do NOT believe that you or anyone loads CivGOTMxx.sav only once a month.

Well you reload to the first actual save you have.... so that's reloading. You'd play the game with pre-game knowledge you should not have.
 
I've seen severla postings commenting about the high view rate for this thread. It could be a sign of cheating, but it is also a sign of high interest.

This is the most interesting thread in the entire site, in my opinion. There are several good writers posting their exloits. It is like playing by proxy, and maybe learning something as well.

I might have passed on peeking and taken a stab at the game if it had been more at my level. Generally the level of place is pretty high, though. Not much fun to participate if you can't come close to the high scores.

RedTopJay - Restarting is a reload in my book. If you know more than a first-time player then that's too much.
 
Hmmm, so restarting is cheating. Downloading the CivGOTMxx.sav and loading it more than once is cheating. So, anyone reading a spoiler thread b4 playing is cheating! Then posting the map here is cheating! If all of this is true then CFC is cheating by allowing spoiler threads b4 the deadline! Why not just wait until the end of the month, read all the spoiler threads, play the game and WIN, lol.
 
Originally posted by RedTopJay
Hmmm, so restarting is cheating. Downloading the CivGOTMxx.sav and loading it more than once is cheating. So, anyone reading a spoiler thread b4 playing is cheating! Then posting the map here is cheating! If all of this is true then CFC is cheating by allowing spoiler threads b4 the deadline! Why not just wait until the end of the month, read all the spoiler threads, play the game and WIN, lol.

You would not have enough time to implement all that you learned. :D
 
Got utterly trounced by 230 AD. First time I play deity and it was a lot tougher than I had thought. I managed to win on emperor a while ago, but this was crazy. I think the starting position was terrible though. Immortals around your borders early on is never good for your health.
 
After reading all the current spoiler threads here, CFC needs to change the rules, adding:
Downloading CivGOTMxx.save more than once is cheating.
Loading CivGOTMxx.sav more than once is cheating.
Reading any spoiler threads before submitting the game is cheating.

It would appear that what people are posting here is not what the rules state. I only ask this over and over again because I want to be clear what the unwritten rules are. I am a gamer and fly all over the US playing at game conventions and would NEVER cheat. If you have to cheat why play!

alamo & cruise have read this spoiler thread, therefore they can not play this month's GOTM or they are cheating because they have before-hand knowledge, lol.
 
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