Gotm #24 - Spoiler

[ElephantU]

Pardon my suprise - I did not know Civ was so widely played. My dad is just 66, I believe. Perhaps I'll get him a copy...

I've been following your interactions with Solo and Bloody Monk regarding Early Landings over on Apolyton. Very interesting.

 

[Ali Ardavan]

Originally posted by la fayette
Yes, indeed (and 64 is my age)
...but I guess my mental age is close to 4*4=16
(why should I play civ2 so much otherwise? )

Wow! I am impressed that at age 64 you are so young at heart that you are playing Civ2. When I first read your hint I figured you must have finished in 340 and that you are 27, dimissing the other possibilities (8 for too young and 64 for too old). When did you first start playing Civ? When Civ1 came out you must have been about 50. It is an honor for Civ2 to have such a wide appeal. As ElephantU mentioned maybe we should get our dads into playing Civ. Mine will be 74 soon.

 

[la fayette]

Originally posted by Ali Ardavan

When I first read your hint I figured you must have finished in 340 and that you are 27,

(very interesting hypothesis; I wouldn't say no to it; unfortunately it's wrong )
I never played civ1 (started playing computer games with UFO, which was great fun). Started playing civ2 in 1996.

 

[Garvarg]

Ok I finished in 1780 with a world conquest and thought I did OK until I read some of the post you folks have posted. I am in awe! !
Hats off to el_kalkylus, I will have to go and read your post 6 or 7 times and learn a few things.
I started my game at the beginning of the month but stopped around 1550 and didn't get back to it until this weekend. (Civ3 got my attention, much different game, by I degress) Don't know what I was thinking when I left it but I had to draw it to a quick end. I confess I rarely play deity and never use Fundy so this was new for me, but here is where I ended.

1780AD
pop 18,360,000
44 cities
37 techs
16 wonders

I'm not one for building caravans, but maybe I'll have to reconsider.

 

[el_kalkylus]

Originally posted by Garvarg

Hats off to el_kalkylus, I will have to go and read your post 6 or 7 times and learn a few things.
I started my game at the beginning of the month but stopped around 1550 and didn't get back to it until this weekend. (Civ3 got my attention, much different game, by I degress)

Thanks, but you should really look at Starlifters game. My game is alot worse than what he would do, because I pretty much copied much what he said and did it. Also, I cheated unknowingly, because food caravan trick is strangely disallowed. I didn't use it to full extent though, just in the capital and a little in other cities too.

I have just installed civilization 3 (again) too, but this time I have more fun. Maybe someday I will even play through the middle age and up to modern era. I really like to play the beginning of the game before the empire gets too big. (this is a reason why my score will be "low" in this civ2 gotm 24, because I only ended with 70 cities (20 small ones).)

 

[dogma]

Here is my log until the end in 1480 AD. I kept my reputation spotless, but even the built-in point system does not seem to reward such nice behaviour : I got the same 1240 `bonus points' for conquering the world I obtained for doing so atrociously in gotm23 in 1754 AD. I mainly invested in more ships (to still deliver caravans in one part of the world while `taking over responsibilities' elsewhere) and also doubled my mounted troups to 20+ --- with some additional catapults since I was (needlessly) afraid of enemy spearmen. Turning elephants and crusaders into (non-vet) dragoons with Leonardo turned out to be superfluous.


1140 Ise stops celebrating high priest
. . . . . Nagasaki builds silk caravan
. . . . . Nara stops celebrating high priest
. . . . . Delhi celebrates high priest
. . . . . Cardiff builds granary
. . . . . Kyoto dye caravan ships in Texcoco, 120$ and 1 arrow
. . . . . (Tenochtitlan had changed preferences in between)
. . . . . Izumo settler founds Bizen (at the ancient site of Berlin)
. . . . . ask Germans for tribute, they declare war
. . . . . Frankfurt revolts for 162$, plunder 36$, German civilization destroyed
. . . . . Germans had 24 advances, total production value of losses was 540s
. . . . . ask Indians for tribute, they withdraw troups
. . . . . Chinese discover invention and start Leonardo
. . . . . Matsuyama settler near Bizen survives barbarian horseman
1160 Toyama builds marketplace
. . . . . Nara celebrates high priest
. . . . . Fukushima builds marketplace
. . . . . ask Indians for tribute, they withdraw troups
. . . . . assign t/l/s at 6/3/1
. . . . . Carthaginians discover chivalry
. . . . . Matsuyama settler near Bizen loses to barbarian horseman
1180 Bizen builds dye caravan
. . . . . Toyama celebrates the high priest
. . . . . invent sanitation, research chivalry
. . . . . Kells builds granary
. . . . . Cardiff builds marketplace
. . . . . Carthaginians require navigation, deny, ask for tribute, ignored
. . . . . assign t/l/s at 7/3/0
. . . . . Edo beads caravan arrives in Utica, 108$ and 2 arrows
. . . . . Nagoya silk caravan arrives in Malaca, 186$ and 3 arrows
. . . . . Edo gold caravan ships in Amargh, 114$ and
. . . . . ask Indians for tribute, they withdraw troups
. . . . . Celts propose peace, refuse, ask for tribute, they declare war
. . . . . Amargh revolts for 406$, plunder 50$
. . . . . Celts propose cease fire, refuse, war continues
. . . . . Carmarthen supports only an archer and a settler
1200 Suo builds marketplace
. . . . . Toyama builds granary
. . . . . Edo celebrates high priest
. . . . . Osaka builds food caravan
. . . . . Fukushima builds granary
. . . . . Kyoto builds coal caravan
. . . . . ask Carthaginians for tribute, they give 150$ (of their 1718$)
. . . . . Aztecs require invention, deny, ask for tribute, ignored
. . . . . Nara silver caravan arrives in Tenochtitlan, 360$ and 5 arrows
. . . . . Sapporo silk caravan ships in Bangalore, 132$ and 3 arrows
. . . . . Hakodate silk caravan ships in Caralis, 228$ and 3 arrows
1220 Bizen builds granary
. . . . . Nagoya builds silver caravan
. . . . . Edo builds granary and starts Magellan
. . . . . ask Carthaginians for tribute, ignored
. . . . . steal chivalry from Utica, Carthaginians publicly condemn
. . . . . reputation remains spotless
. . . . . Carmarthen revolts for 448$, plunder 64$
. . . . . Celtice civilization destroyed
. . . . . Celts had 27 advances, total production value of losses was 580s
. . . . . Calcutta would revolt for 177$, subvert, plunder 84$
. . . . . 8 caravans help build Magellan
. . . . . assign t/l/s at 6/3/1
. . . . . Aztecs start Shakespeare
1240 start & invent gunpowder, start leadership
. . . . . Ise & Calcutta celebrate high priest
. . . . . Amargh builds marketplace & celebrates high priest
. . . . . Edo builds Magellan
. . . . . assign t/l/s at 7/3/0
. . . . . ask Carthaginians for tribute, ignored
. . . . . Indians call me treacherous (though reputation is spotless)
. . . . . ask for tribute, ignored
. . . . . largest according to Tacitus :
. . . . . Japanese, Carthaginians, Chinese, Aztecs, Indians
1260 Suo, Ise, Nagasaki, Nagoya, Kagoshima & Delhi build granaries
. . . . . Sapporo builds beads caravan
. . . . . Yokohama builds gold caravan
. . . . . Satsuma builds salt caravan
. . . . . ask Carthaginians for tribute, they declare war
. . . . . plunder 176$ and Oracle in Utica
. . . . . ask Indians for tribute, they declare war
. . . . . Aztecs require invention, deny, ask for tribute, they declare war
. . . . . Shimonoseki copper caravan arrives in Tenochtitlan, 272$ and 4 arrows
. . . . . vet elephant and diplomat lose to Canton defender
1280 Hakodate and Shimonoseki build granary
. . . . . Utica celebrates high priest
. . . . . plunder 281$ in Karthago, Carthaginian capital does not move (1125$)
. . . . . Carthaginians ask for cease fire, refuse, war continues
. . . . . Satsuma silk caravan ships in Canton, 366$ and 3 arrows
1300 Izumo builds hides caravan
. . . . . Nara builds salt caravan
. . . . . Osaka builds harbour
. . . . . Shimonoseki dye caravan ships in Bangalore, 132$ and 3 arrows
. . . . . Chinese offer 250$ for cease fire, refuse
. . . . . 2 vet catapults lose to Peking defenders
1320 Suo & Karthago celebrate high priest
. . . . . Nagoya builds silver caravan
. . . . . Malaca revolts for 824$, plunder 334$
. . . . . Carthaginians offer 500$ for cease fire, accept, but refuse extra 100$
. . . . . for peace treaty, ask for tribute, ignored
. . . . . Matsuya silver caravan arrives in Bombay, 130$ and 2 arrows
. . . . . plunder Pyramids, Sun Tsu and 68$ in Peking
. . . . . Nanking changes King Richard to Leonardo
. . . . . sell all 20 granaries
1340 Suo builds harbour
. . . . . Hakodate, Sapporo, Shimonoseki, Nara & Satsuma build barracks
. . . . . Kagoshima builds beads caravan
. . . . . Malaca celebrates high priest
. . . . . Leipzig stops celebrating high priest
. . . . . Carthaginians offer peace treaty, refuse, ask for tribute, ignored
. . . . . Caralis would revolt for 464$
. . . . . Xinjian revolts for 124$, plunder 15$
. . . . . Canton revolts for 496$, plunder 56$
. . . . . Nara gems caravan arrives in Bombay, 216$ and 3 arrows
. . . . . Bombay revolts for 402$, plunder 97$
. . . . . Indians offer 150$ for cease fire, refuse
. . . . . Bombay revolts for 620$, plunder 104$, Indian civilization destroyed
. . . . . Indians had 25 advances, total production value of losses was 520s
1360 Ise builds barracks
. . . . . Frankfurt, Bangalore, Madras, Carmarthen, Canton, Bombay
. . . . . & Leipzig all celebrate high priest
. . . . . Delhi builds marketplace
. . . . . Karthago builds marketplace
. . . . . Carthaginians offer peace, refuse, ask for tribute, they declare war
. . . . . Panormus revolts for 290$, plunder 39$
1380 Yokohama, Panormus & Kells celebrate high priest
. . . . . Nagasaki builds wool caravan
. . . . . Edo builds wine caravan and starts Leonardo
. . . . . 8 caravans help builds Leonardo
. . . . . vet crusader loses to Tsingtao spearman
. . . . . Aztecs discover economics
1400 Bizen,
. . . . . Edo builds Leonardo, Chinese change back to King Richard
. . . . . Cardiff builds wine caravan
. . . . . assign t/l/s at 6/3/1
. . . . . plunder 14$ in Tsingtao
1420 invent leadership, research university
. . . . . assign t/l/s at 7/3/0
. . . . . Izumo cloth caravan arrives in Shanghai, 240$ and 3 arrows
. . . . . Nanking would revolt for 342$, same price for Canton
. . . . . plunder 46$ in Canton
. . . . . Satsuma settler founds Echizen
. . . . . Tenochtitlan (almost) under siege
. . . . . Bizen dye caravan arrives in Matsuyama, 84$ and 1 arrow each
1440 Bizen, Calcutta, Yokohama, Panormus, Bombay & Utica build marketplaces
. . . . . Kells builds aqueduct
. . . . . Shanghai celebrates high priest
. . . . . plunder Colossus, university and 76$ in Tenochtitlan
. . . . . Aztecs abandon Shakespeare
. . . . . Aztecs offer economy and then 200$ for cease fire, refuse
. . . . . plunder economy and 35$ in Teotihuacan
. . . . . Shimonoseki salt caravan arrives in Caralis, 136$ and
. . . . . Caralis revolts for 456$, plunder 77$
. . . . . Carthaginian civilization destroyed, Carthaginians had 27 advances
. . . . . total production value of losses was 550s
. . . . . assign t/l/s at 1/8/1
. . . . . Nagasaki wool caravan ships in Texcoco, 188$ and 3 arrows
. . . . . Tlaxcala revolts for 248$, plunder 24$
. . . . . Aztecs offer 150$ for cease fire, refuse
. . . . . found Izumi, Omi, Echigo & Kozuke
. . . . . Caralis starts Adam Smith
. . . . . Leipzig starts King Richard
. . . . . Osaka starts Shakespeare
. . . . . spend about 3500$ to RB wonders
1460 Tlaxcala, Caralis, Teotihuacan, Tenochtitlan
. . . . . & Peking all celebrate high priest
. . . . . research chemistry
. . . . . Shimonoseki, Frankfurt, Carmarthen & Delhi build caravans
. . . . . Caralis builds Adam Smith
. . . . . Leipzig builds King Richard, Chinese abort
. . . . . Osaka builds Shakespeare
. . . . . sell all barracks
. . . . . found Sado, Neapel, Issus, Cunaxa, Cremona, Cannae, Capua & Turin
. . . . . Tlatelolco revolts for 180$, plunder 85$
. . . . . plunder 11$ in Texcoco, Aztec civilization destroyed
. . . . . Aztecs had 26 advances, total production value of losses was 160s
1480 Tlatelolco celebrates high priest
. . . . . found Genua, Kreta, Verona & Salamis
. . . . . Nanking revolts for 300$, plunder 128$, Chinese civilization destroyed
. . . . . Chinese had 26 advances, total production value of losses was 360s

invented 13 of the 38 advances through own research, got 8 from Great Library
total production value of losses is 310s

 

[dogma]

Some general thoughts about this game : it certainly is a good idea to read the relevant threads _before_ starting the game, for instance it took me a while to find out that putting science above 50% has no effect. I still have to get used to the idea to rehome all caravans to the same (super trade) city, although I do rehome all caravans to still have the choice of 3 different goods. I am still used to civ1 where the trade arrows resulting from caravans are much more important than the delivery bonus. I guess this is even more crucial in fundamentalism since caravan-beakers are not halved --- a bug of the game ? The `very angry citizens' are nothing to be afraid of as they are much easier seduced by luxuries : with 80% luxuries all cities up to size 7 had only happy citizens. This probably makes democracy on deity level easier than on emperor or even king level --- another bug of the game ?