I've run into another issue I thought I should bring out for discussion: the western end of the Japanese island crosses the dateline. There is a Whale to the left of it, and a Wheat to the right. If you put one city on the left side and another on the right, they can both use both specials without blocking each other. I did this by accident (I was ICSing until I got Trade, then shifted to massive caravans), but then figured it out about 200yrs later. Anyone else run into this? Is this still legal? And was this map hand-crafted, or did CIV2MAP actually generate this?
Gotm #24 - Spoiler
- Thread starter el_kalkylus
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I have played till -700.
My strategy so far has been rapid expansion. I hope to follow with conquest at some point. I picked Masonry as the first tech and have recently finished Pyramids. I have another wonder in progress which is most likely going to be Great library. Several other civs have started wonders but no one has finished yet.
I have explored my island with 2 warriors. I have about a dozen cities and plan 6 more on my island. I have 3 triremes exploring the world but have so far only found Indians. They demanded ceremonial burial for peace and I complied since I have no offensive units or techs. After establishing an embassy with them I realized how bad I am doing in tech: they have +6 advantage over me.
I have only a barrack and a temple. No other infrastructure.
I was going to try power fundy (cities in celebration) but realized it is not possible at Deity level without Hanging Gardens and even then barely so. I have given up on that for now.
I have not seen a single barbarian so far!
My strategy so far has been rapid expansion. I hope to follow with conquest at some point. I picked Masonry as the first tech and have recently finished Pyramids. I have another wonder in progress which is most likely going to be Great library. Several other civs have started wonders but no one has finished yet.
I have explored my island with 2 warriors. I have about a dozen cities and plan 6 more on my island. I have 3 triremes exploring the world but have so far only found Indians. They demanded ceremonial burial for peace and I complied since I have no offensive units or techs. After establishing an embassy with them I realized how bad I am doing in tech: they have +6 advantage over me.
I have only a barrack and a temple. No other infrastructure.
I was going to try power fundy (cities in celebration) but realized it is not possible at Deity level without Hanging Gardens and even then barely so. I have given up on that for now.
I have not seen a single barbarian so far!
It's legal. This map is just a randomly generated one. All I did was set the governments, wipe the huts and save it. I didn't preview it or anything. So much fun in one map, cool.
dogma
Chieftain
Originally posted by Duke of Marlbrough
It's legal. This map is just a randomly generated one. All I did was set the governments, wipe the huts and save it. I didn't preview it or anything. So much fun in one map, cool.
I stumbled into this as well, finding out that my `filler city' Shimonoseki had more resources than I had anticipated. Is there a way to know beforehand ?
dogma
Chieftain
Here is my log up to 700 AD. I decided to build the Great Wall, it is always the greatest robbers who have the best locks. Then I started delivering (demanded) caravans.
20AD. Celts start Lighthouse
. . . Nagoya builds settler
. . . ask receptive Germans for tribute, they declare war
60AD. Indians start Lighthouse
80AD. Nara celebrates high priest
. . . Osaka builds marketplace
a100. Izuma builds hides caravan
. . . Kagoshima builds silk caravan
. . . Satsuma builds gems caravan
. . . Edo builds vet elephant
. . . Aztecs are receptive, gift the republic and the wheel to make them
. . . worshipful, exchange maps, ask for tribute, they declare (icy) war
. . . Germans discover banking
a140. Celts discover philosophy and monotheism
. . . Kyoto builds silk caravan
. . . ask Celts for audience, do not declare war on Indians
. . . give required wheel, but they deny to trade advances
. . . Carthaginians discover bridge building
a160. Nagoya builds hides caravan
. . . Nara builds marketplace
. . . Osaka builds beads caravan
. . . Nagoya settler founds Nagasaki (9th city of Japanese empire)
. . . Osaka and Edo have no initial content citizen any more
. . . Nara trireme discovers south pole
. . . Chinese start Great Wall
a180. Edo starts Great Wall
. . . Indians submit German banking
a200. Izumo builds settler
. . . Kagoshima builds barracks
. . . Satsuma builds settler
. . . all caravans help build Great Wall
a220. Edo builds Great Wall, Germans change to Lighthouse, Chinese abort
. . . Osaka builds granary
. . . Kyoto settler founds Yokohama
. . . Nagasaki has no initial content citizen any more
. . . Leipzig builds Lighthouse
. . . Celts change to Michelangelo, Indians change to Oracle
a240. Kyoto builds settler
. . . Nara builds explorer
. . . Satsuma settler founds Shimonoseki
. . . `dual use' of whale and grass between Shimonoseki and Nara
. . . Nara and Izumo have no initial content citizen any more
a260. Nagoya builds settler
. . . Izumo settler founds Matsuyama
. . . Kagoshima has no initial content citizen any more
a280. Edo builds 11th vet phalanx
. . . Kagoshima builds vet explorer
a300. Nagasaki builds beads caravan
. . . Osaka builds gems caravan
. . . Carthaginians have 5 spears, give required seafaring, whence icy
. . . but they refuse to exchange advances, offer alliance, refused as well
a320. Satsuma builds gems caravan
a340. Yokohama builds silver caravan
. . . Izumo builds settler
. . . Carthaginians have 4 spears, do NOT give required banking
. . . ask for tribute (with diplomat ashore), ignored
. . . Aztecs submit philosophy
a360. Shimonoseki builds dye caravan
. . . Osaka builds settler
. . . Carthaginians have 5 spears, do NOT give required philosophy
. . . ask for tribute (with diplomat off shore), they declare war
. . . diplomat steals bridge building from Karthago
. . . Celts have 3 spears, do NOT declare war on Indians, but give
. . . required seafaring, whence icy, gift bridge building, whence uncoop
. . . but they refuse to exchange advances, offer alliance, refused as well
a380. Matsuyama builds dye caravan
. . . Chinese discover feudalism and start Sun Tsu
a400. Nagoya builds settler
. . . Nara builds silk caravan
. . . Carthaginians have 5 spears, give required banking, get peace
. . . Carthaginians start Oracle
a420. Nagasaki builds settler
. . . Satsuma builds settler
. . . Osaka builds barracks
a440. Yokohama builds settler
. . . Indians discover astronomy and change Oracle to Copernicus, almost done
a460. Shimonoseki builds settler
. . . Satsuma builds barracks
. . . Kyoto builds barracks
. . . Delhi builds Copernicus
a480. Yokohama builds barracks
. . . Carthaginians have 5 spears, give required trade, no alliance
a500. Matsuyama builds copper caravan
. . . Kagoshima gems caravan arrives in Utica, 372$(and beakers!!), 3 arrows
a520. research monotheism
. . . Nara settler founds Sapporo
. . . Kyoto, Nagoya and Sapporo have no initial content citizen
. . . Carthaginians have almost finished Oracle
. . . The war between Celts and Indians has ended
a540. Izumo builds settler
. . . Kyoto stops celebrating high priest
. . . Utica builds Oracle
a560. Kagoshima silver caravan arrives in Malaca, 350$, 3 arrows
. . . assign t/l/s at 0/2/8, income still higher than science
. . . Germans submit astronomy
a580. invent monotheism, research navigation
. . . Shimonoseki builds settler
. . . Kagoshima settler founds Hakodate
. . . Satsumo, Matsuyama and Hakodate have no initial content citizen
. . . assign t/l/s at 7/3/0
. . . Germans have 1 spear and require audience, deny cease of fire
a600. Matsuyama builds settler
. . . Nagoya builds settler
. . . Aztecs discover university
a620. Celts have 3 spears and have no relations (any more) with Indians
. . . they ask for audience and suggest alliance against Indians, deny
. . . Nara builds diplomat
a640. assign t/l/s at 2/8/0
a660. Osaka builds vet settler
. . . Kyoto celebrates high priest
. . . Celts have 3 spears, ask for audience and require banking, deny
. . . Kyoto beads caravan arrives (too late) in Amargh, 140$ and 2 arrows
. . . Osaka dye caravan arrives in Kells, 464$ and 4 arrows
. . . Osaka silk caravan arrives in Amargh, 468$ and 3 arrows
. . . assign t/l/s at 6/3/1
a680. invent navigation, research medicine
. . . assign t/l/s at 7/3/0
a700. Chinese have almost finished Sun Tsu
. . . Troups too close to Calcutta
. . . largest according to Bede
. . . Japanese, Indians, Carthaginians, Chinese, Celts, Aztecs, Germans
. . . Matsuyama builds diplomat
. . . Izumo builds silver caravan
. . . Peking builds Sun Tsu
About to found the last cities on the Japanese island, which I probably should have achieved by 1 AD already. Between BC 950 and 250 I simply `forgot' to found new cities, although I already had in mind where to place them.
20AD. Celts start Lighthouse
. . . Nagoya builds settler
. . . ask receptive Germans for tribute, they declare war
60AD. Indians start Lighthouse
80AD. Nara celebrates high priest
. . . Osaka builds marketplace
a100. Izuma builds hides caravan
. . . Kagoshima builds silk caravan
. . . Satsuma builds gems caravan
. . . Edo builds vet elephant
. . . Aztecs are receptive, gift the republic and the wheel to make them
. . . worshipful, exchange maps, ask for tribute, they declare (icy) war
. . . Germans discover banking
a140. Celts discover philosophy and monotheism
. . . Kyoto builds silk caravan
. . . ask Celts for audience, do not declare war on Indians
. . . give required wheel, but they deny to trade advances
. . . Carthaginians discover bridge building
a160. Nagoya builds hides caravan
. . . Nara builds marketplace
. . . Osaka builds beads caravan
. . . Nagoya settler founds Nagasaki (9th city of Japanese empire)
. . . Osaka and Edo have no initial content citizen any more
. . . Nara trireme discovers south pole
. . . Chinese start Great Wall
a180. Edo starts Great Wall
. . . Indians submit German banking
a200. Izumo builds settler
. . . Kagoshima builds barracks
. . . Satsuma builds settler
. . . all caravans help build Great Wall
a220. Edo builds Great Wall, Germans change to Lighthouse, Chinese abort
. . . Osaka builds granary
. . . Kyoto settler founds Yokohama
. . . Nagasaki has no initial content citizen any more
. . . Leipzig builds Lighthouse
. . . Celts change to Michelangelo, Indians change to Oracle
a240. Kyoto builds settler
. . . Nara builds explorer
. . . Satsuma settler founds Shimonoseki
. . . `dual use' of whale and grass between Shimonoseki and Nara
. . . Nara and Izumo have no initial content citizen any more
a260. Nagoya builds settler
. . . Izumo settler founds Matsuyama
. . . Kagoshima has no initial content citizen any more
a280. Edo builds 11th vet phalanx
. . . Kagoshima builds vet explorer
a300. Nagasaki builds beads caravan
. . . Osaka builds gems caravan
. . . Carthaginians have 5 spears, give required seafaring, whence icy
. . . but they refuse to exchange advances, offer alliance, refused as well
a320. Satsuma builds gems caravan
a340. Yokohama builds silver caravan
. . . Izumo builds settler
. . . Carthaginians have 4 spears, do NOT give required banking
. . . ask for tribute (with diplomat ashore), ignored
. . . Aztecs submit philosophy
a360. Shimonoseki builds dye caravan
. . . Osaka builds settler
. . . Carthaginians have 5 spears, do NOT give required philosophy
. . . ask for tribute (with diplomat off shore), they declare war
. . . diplomat steals bridge building from Karthago
. . . Celts have 3 spears, do NOT declare war on Indians, but give
. . . required seafaring, whence icy, gift bridge building, whence uncoop
. . . but they refuse to exchange advances, offer alliance, refused as well
a380. Matsuyama builds dye caravan
. . . Chinese discover feudalism and start Sun Tsu
a400. Nagoya builds settler
. . . Nara builds silk caravan
. . . Carthaginians have 5 spears, give required banking, get peace
. . . Carthaginians start Oracle
a420. Nagasaki builds settler
. . . Satsuma builds settler
. . . Osaka builds barracks
a440. Yokohama builds settler
. . . Indians discover astronomy and change Oracle to Copernicus, almost done
a460. Shimonoseki builds settler
. . . Satsuma builds barracks
. . . Kyoto builds barracks
. . . Delhi builds Copernicus
a480. Yokohama builds barracks
. . . Carthaginians have 5 spears, give required trade, no alliance
a500. Matsuyama builds copper caravan
. . . Kagoshima gems caravan arrives in Utica, 372$(and beakers!!), 3 arrows
a520. research monotheism
. . . Nara settler founds Sapporo
. . . Kyoto, Nagoya and Sapporo have no initial content citizen
. . . Carthaginians have almost finished Oracle
. . . The war between Celts and Indians has ended
a540. Izumo builds settler
. . . Kyoto stops celebrating high priest
. . . Utica builds Oracle
a560. Kagoshima silver caravan arrives in Malaca, 350$, 3 arrows
. . . assign t/l/s at 0/2/8, income still higher than science
. . . Germans submit astronomy
a580. invent monotheism, research navigation
. . . Shimonoseki builds settler
. . . Kagoshima settler founds Hakodate
. . . Satsumo, Matsuyama and Hakodate have no initial content citizen
. . . assign t/l/s at 7/3/0
. . . Germans have 1 spear and require audience, deny cease of fire
a600. Matsuyama builds settler
. . . Nagoya builds settler
. . . Aztecs discover university
a620. Celts have 3 spears and have no relations (any more) with Indians
. . . they ask for audience and suggest alliance against Indians, deny
. . . Nara builds diplomat
a640. assign t/l/s at 2/8/0
a660. Osaka builds vet settler
. . . Kyoto celebrates high priest
. . . Celts have 3 spears, ask for audience and require banking, deny
. . . Kyoto beads caravan arrives (too late) in Amargh, 140$ and 2 arrows
. . . Osaka dye caravan arrives in Kells, 464$ and 4 arrows
. . . Osaka silk caravan arrives in Amargh, 468$ and 3 arrows
. . . assign t/l/s at 6/3/1
a680. invent navigation, research medicine
. . . assign t/l/s at 7/3/0
a700. Chinese have almost finished Sun Tsu
. . . Troups too close to Calcutta
. . . largest according to Bede
. . . Japanese, Indians, Carthaginians, Chinese, Celts, Aztecs, Germans
. . . Matsuyama builds diplomat
. . . Izumo builds silver caravan
. . . Peking builds Sun Tsu
About to found the last cities on the Japanese island, which I probably should have achieved by 1 AD already. Between BC 950 and 250 I simply `forgot' to found new cities, although I already had in mind where to place them.
It only happens when the cities radi passes over the (0,X) line. Just how the game has a problem moving units across this line using the goto command, it has problems tracking what cities are using which squares across it.
dogma
Chieftain
Thanx ! So when parsing for good city sites I might want to have a look at those grid numers as well...
dogma
Chieftain
Here is my log up to 1120 AD. With the Japanese island covered with (Japanese) cities I started visiting the neighbours, maybe knocking the door a bit too firmly (the settler to re-found Berlin is still only on its way). Since the Indians just ignored my demands for tribute (and I wanted to keep my reputation spotless this time) I sailed over to the Celts first, then back to the Indians and am now on my way `back' to the Cartaginians. That one will be tougher since they have feudalism for quite some time and Carthago is founded on a river. While my forces of 10+ crusaders seem to be sufficient I constantly have the feeling that I lack transport capacity, even with now 6 triremes and 8 caravels. Is there some good rule of thumb as to how many ships one should build ?
a720 Hakodate builds dye caravan
Kyoto settler founds Ise
Izumo settler founds Tohama
no city left with initial content citizen
vet elephant loses against Berlin phalanx
plunder 33$ in (and destroy) Berlin
a740 Kyoto builds settler
Germans do not ask for audience, Leipzig would revolt for 567$
Indians discover engineering and start King Richard
a760 Carhtaginians submit feudalism
a780 Celts have almost finished Michelangelo
German capital moves to Leipzig
a800 Cardiff builds Michelangelo
Osaka builds aquaduct
a820 Matsuyama builds marketplace
Yokohama builds silver caravan
Osaka dye caravan arrives in Leipzig, 244$ and 4 arrows
Kagoshima copper caravan arrives in Leipzig, 188$ and 4 arrows
assign t/l/s at 6/3/1
a840 Toyama builds hides caravan
Ise builds copper caravan
Matsuyama celebrates high priest
plunder 221$ and Lighthouse in Leipzig
Germans have 0 spears and ask for peace, get 125$ (of 258$) tribute
Edo settler founds Fukushima
Edo and Osaka have (initial) very unhappy citizen
a860 Hakodate builds marketplace and celebrates high priest
Nagasaki builds salt caravan
Izumo builds marketplace
Nara builds silk caravan
Kyoto builds silk caravan
Nara gems caravan ships in Delhi, 240$ and 3 arrows
Indians have 4 spears and ask for audience, they require navigation
deny, ask for tribute, they `withdraw troups'
ask Germans to withdraw troups, which they do
Hakodate and Nagasaki have (initial) very unhappy citizen
assign t/l/s at 7/3/0
Chinese submit Indian engineering
a880 Sapporo celebrates high priest
Shimonoseki builds salt caravan
Izumu celebrates high priest
Osaka builds cloth caravan
Fukushima builds dye caravan
ask Germans for tribute, they ignore
Indians require navigation, deny, ask for tribute, they withdraw troups
Celts have 4 spears and require navigation, deny, they offer peace
deny, ask for tribute, they declare war
Carhaginians have 5 spears and require navigation, deny, accept peace
ask for tribute, ignored
Indians have 1 spear and require navigation, deny, accept peace
offer alliance, denied
a900 ask Indians for tribute, they withdraw troups
ask Germans for tribute, they withdraw troups
a920 Sapporo builds hides caravan
Nagoya builds marketplace
ask German for tribute, they declare war
ask Indians for tribute, they withdraw troups
a940 Madras builds hides caravan
make peace with Germans and aks for tribute, ignored
ask Indians for tribute, they withdraw troups
a960 Satsuma builds settler
Edo builds marketplace
Leipzig builds marketplace
Osaka builds gold caravan
Kyoto builds settler
Kagoshima settler founds Suo
Chinese have 2 spears and require navigation, deny, accept peace
offer alliance, denied, no maps exchanged
ask Indians for tribute, they withdraw troups
ask German for tribute, ignored
a980 Shimonoseki builds marketplace
Nagasaki celebrates high priest
Nara builds silk caravan
ask German for tribute, ignored
ask Chinese for tribute, they declare war
1000 Ise builds silk caravan
Hakodate builds silk caravan
Shimonoseki celebrates high priest
Nagasaki builds marketplace
Hakodate caravan arrives in Bangalore, 85$ and 2 arrows
ask German for tribute, ignored
ask Indians for tribute, they declare war
Japanese empire : 19 cities, population 1+5x2+6x3+4x4+5+6+9=1,730,000 (1st)
manufacturing 101 megatons (1st), productivity 76% (1st)
net income 168=190-22$, 0 beakers -> 840 rounds, 30 advances
family size 6.7 (1st), other civs have only 4-5 cities each
1020 Sapporo builds marketplace
Izumo hides caravan ships in Cardiff, 152$ and 4 arrows
crusader loses to Cardiff archer
plunder 95$ and Michelangelo in Cardiff
assign t/l/s at 6/3/1
ask German for tribute, ignored
Celts do not ask for audience, Kells would revolt for 616$
Indians discover invention and change King Richard to Leonardo
1040 invent medicine, research sanitation
Kells in disorder, revolts for 308$, plunder 161$
Celts ask for audience, sign cease fire for 200$, accept peace
ask for tribute, they withdraw troups
Hakodate hides caravan arrives in Calcutta, 40$ and 1 arrow
Sapporo salt caravan arrives (too late) in Bangalore, 40$ and 3 arrows
assign t/l/s at 7/3/0
Malaca dye caravan arrives in Cardiff, 2 arrows
1060 ask Celts for tribute, they withdraw troups
ask German for tribute, ignored
1080 Ise builds marketplace
Nagoya builds silk caravan
Fukushima celebrates high priest
Kyoto builds hides caravan
Cardiff celebrates high priest
Satsuma silk caravan arrives in Karthago, 258$ and 3 arrows
Matsuyama copper caravan arrives in Karthago, 108$ and 3 arrows
ask German for tribute, ignored
Chinese start King Richard
1100 Ise celebrates high priest
Nagoya celebrates high priest
Nara builds salt caravan
Satsuma builds gems caravan
Kyoto salt caravan arrives in Karthago, 160$ and 2 arrows
ask German for tribute, get 50$ (of their 124$)
Indians have almost finished Leonardo
1120 Shimonoseki builds cloth caravan
Leipzig builds granary
Osaka builds food caravan
Indians abort Leonardo and restart (in Bombay)
plunder 45$, invention and Copernicus in Delhi
Indians have 4 spears and require navigation, deny, peace, no tribute
Madras would revolt for 632$, subvert, plunder 111$
Satsuma silk caravan arrives in Carmarthen, 204$ and 2 arrows
ask German for tribute, get 25$ (of their 67$)
a720 Hakodate builds dye caravan
Kyoto settler founds Ise
Izumo settler founds Tohama
no city left with initial content citizen
vet elephant loses against Berlin phalanx
plunder 33$ in (and destroy) Berlin
a740 Kyoto builds settler
Germans do not ask for audience, Leipzig would revolt for 567$
Indians discover engineering and start King Richard
a760 Carhtaginians submit feudalism
a780 Celts have almost finished Michelangelo
German capital moves to Leipzig
a800 Cardiff builds Michelangelo
Osaka builds aquaduct
a820 Matsuyama builds marketplace
Yokohama builds silver caravan
Osaka dye caravan arrives in Leipzig, 244$ and 4 arrows
Kagoshima copper caravan arrives in Leipzig, 188$ and 4 arrows
assign t/l/s at 6/3/1
a840 Toyama builds hides caravan
Ise builds copper caravan
Matsuyama celebrates high priest
plunder 221$ and Lighthouse in Leipzig
Germans have 0 spears and ask for peace, get 125$ (of 258$) tribute
Edo settler founds Fukushima
Edo and Osaka have (initial) very unhappy citizen
a860 Hakodate builds marketplace and celebrates high priest
Nagasaki builds salt caravan
Izumo builds marketplace
Nara builds silk caravan
Kyoto builds silk caravan
Nara gems caravan ships in Delhi, 240$ and 3 arrows
Indians have 4 spears and ask for audience, they require navigation
deny, ask for tribute, they `withdraw troups'
ask Germans to withdraw troups, which they do
Hakodate and Nagasaki have (initial) very unhappy citizen
assign t/l/s at 7/3/0
Chinese submit Indian engineering
a880 Sapporo celebrates high priest
Shimonoseki builds salt caravan
Izumu celebrates high priest
Osaka builds cloth caravan
Fukushima builds dye caravan
ask Germans for tribute, they ignore
Indians require navigation, deny, ask for tribute, they withdraw troups
Celts have 4 spears and require navigation, deny, they offer peace
deny, ask for tribute, they declare war
Carhaginians have 5 spears and require navigation, deny, accept peace
ask for tribute, ignored
Indians have 1 spear and require navigation, deny, accept peace
offer alliance, denied
a900 ask Indians for tribute, they withdraw troups
ask Germans for tribute, they withdraw troups
a920 Sapporo builds hides caravan
Nagoya builds marketplace
ask German for tribute, they declare war
ask Indians for tribute, they withdraw troups
a940 Madras builds hides caravan
make peace with Germans and aks for tribute, ignored
ask Indians for tribute, they withdraw troups
a960 Satsuma builds settler
Edo builds marketplace
Leipzig builds marketplace
Osaka builds gold caravan
Kyoto builds settler
Kagoshima settler founds Suo
Chinese have 2 spears and require navigation, deny, accept peace
offer alliance, denied, no maps exchanged
ask Indians for tribute, they withdraw troups
ask German for tribute, ignored
a980 Shimonoseki builds marketplace
Nagasaki celebrates high priest
Nara builds silk caravan
ask German for tribute, ignored
ask Chinese for tribute, they declare war
1000 Ise builds silk caravan
Hakodate builds silk caravan
Shimonoseki celebrates high priest
Nagasaki builds marketplace
Hakodate caravan arrives in Bangalore, 85$ and 2 arrows
ask German for tribute, ignored
ask Indians for tribute, they declare war
Japanese empire : 19 cities, population 1+5x2+6x3+4x4+5+6+9=1,730,000 (1st)
manufacturing 101 megatons (1st), productivity 76% (1st)
net income 168=190-22$, 0 beakers -> 840 rounds, 30 advances
family size 6.7 (1st), other civs have only 4-5 cities each
1020 Sapporo builds marketplace
Izumo hides caravan ships in Cardiff, 152$ and 4 arrows
crusader loses to Cardiff archer
plunder 95$ and Michelangelo in Cardiff
assign t/l/s at 6/3/1
ask German for tribute, ignored
Celts do not ask for audience, Kells would revolt for 616$
Indians discover invention and change King Richard to Leonardo
1040 invent medicine, research sanitation
Kells in disorder, revolts for 308$, plunder 161$
Celts ask for audience, sign cease fire for 200$, accept peace
ask for tribute, they withdraw troups
Hakodate hides caravan arrives in Calcutta, 40$ and 1 arrow
Sapporo salt caravan arrives (too late) in Bangalore, 40$ and 3 arrows
assign t/l/s at 7/3/0
Malaca dye caravan arrives in Cardiff, 2 arrows
1060 ask Celts for tribute, they withdraw troups
ask German for tribute, ignored
1080 Ise builds marketplace
Nagoya builds silk caravan
Fukushima celebrates high priest
Kyoto builds hides caravan
Cardiff celebrates high priest
Satsuma silk caravan arrives in Karthago, 258$ and 3 arrows
Matsuyama copper caravan arrives in Karthago, 108$ and 3 arrows
ask German for tribute, ignored
Chinese start King Richard
1100 Ise celebrates high priest
Nagoya celebrates high priest
Nara builds salt caravan
Satsuma builds gems caravan
Kyoto salt caravan arrives in Karthago, 160$ and 2 arrows
ask German for tribute, get 50$ (of their 124$)
Indians have almost finished Leonardo
1120 Shimonoseki builds cloth caravan
Leipzig builds granary
Osaka builds food caravan
Indians abort Leonardo and restart (in Bombay)
plunder 45$, invention and Copernicus in Delhi
Indians have 4 spears and require navigation, deny, peace, no tribute
Madras would revolt for 632$, subvert, plunder 111$
Satsuma silk caravan arrives in Carmarthen, 204$ and 2 arrows
ask German for tribute, get 25$ (of their 67$)
500AD here I come!
This is a short summary of what happened between 300AD and 500AD. Every turn takes a long time to play but the game will end soon. Only two enemies remain and they are surrounded. I have broken the 200 city limit and expansion is even faster now when I have Engineers. I will build 50 more cities, build the remaining wonders and take the enemy cities and then the game is finished!
I have spared the Chinese (trading partner) and the Indians (key civ). I have started to give cities numbers as names since I didn't want two cities with the name Kyoto etc.
Log:
320 Chemistry discovered
320 City of 48 captured by barbarians
340 122 cities
360 Explosives discovered
360 Tenochtitlan (Barbarian) captured
360 Texcoco and Teotihuacan (Aztec) subverted
380 Seafaring discovered
380 146 cities
400 Navigation discovered
400 Tlateloco captured, Aztec civilization destroyed
420 Physics discovered
420 Kyoto builds Magellan's Expedition
420 161 cities
440 Economics discovered
460 Steam Engine discovered
460 Kyoto builds Adam Smith's Trading Company
460 186 cities
480 Railroad discovered - HG Obsolete
480 Salamis builds Eiffel Tower
480 Tsingtao and Canton subverted
500 Industrialization discovered
500 Verona builds KRC (obsolete)
500 Nara builds Darwin's Voyage
500 Corporation and Genetic Engineering discovered
500AD Statistics
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206 cities, 7.17 M people
Units:
52 Engineers
64 Musketeers
04 Horsemen
22 Crusaders
01 Catapult
43 Caravel
07 Diplomat
19 Freight
04 Explorer
Science: 30%, 200b/turn, discoveries 7 turns, 44 techs discovered.
Money: 50%, income 1692g/turn, cost 5g/turn.
Wonders: Pyr, HG (obsolete), Col, LH, GW, STWA, KRC (obsolete), MPE, MC,
Magellan, LW, JSB, ASTC, Darwin, Eiffel.
Enemies:
Chinese 3 cities, Indians 1 city. Others eliminated.
This is a short summary of what happened between 300AD and 500AD. Every turn takes a long time to play but the game will end soon. Only two enemies remain and they are surrounded. I have broken the 200 city limit and expansion is even faster now when I have Engineers. I will build 50 more cities, build the remaining wonders and take the enemy cities and then the game is finished!
I have spared the Chinese (trading partner) and the Indians (key civ). I have started to give cities numbers as names since I didn't want two cities with the name Kyoto etc.
Log:
320 Chemistry discovered
320 City of 48 captured by barbarians
340 122 cities
360 Explosives discovered
360 Tenochtitlan (Barbarian) captured
360 Texcoco and Teotihuacan (Aztec) subverted
380 Seafaring discovered
380 146 cities
400 Navigation discovered
400 Tlateloco captured, Aztec civilization destroyed
420 Physics discovered
420 Kyoto builds Magellan's Expedition
420 161 cities
440 Economics discovered
460 Steam Engine discovered
460 Kyoto builds Adam Smith's Trading Company
460 186 cities
480 Railroad discovered - HG Obsolete
480 Salamis builds Eiffel Tower
480 Tsingtao and Canton subverted
500 Industrialization discovered
500 Verona builds KRC (obsolete)
500 Nara builds Darwin's Voyage
500 Corporation and Genetic Engineering discovered
500AD Statistics
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206 cities, 7.17 M people
Units:
52 Engineers
64 Musketeers
04 Horsemen
22 Crusaders
01 Catapult
43 Caravel
07 Diplomat
19 Freight
04 Explorer
Science: 30%, 200b/turn, discoveries 7 turns, 44 techs discovered.
Money: 50%, income 1692g/turn, cost 5g/turn.
Wonders: Pyr, HG (obsolete), Col, LH, GW, STWA, KRC (obsolete), MPE, MC,
Magellan, LW, JSB, ASTC, Darwin, Eiffel.
Enemies:
Chinese 3 cities, Indians 1 city. Others eliminated.
Trade was a primary goal in this GOTM because of the limitations Fundamentalism imposes on research. Setting the Science Rate above 50% does not increase your research, and half of the city-generated beakers are lost. Every city founded needs to start with at least two trade arrows in order to generate one beaker, and will not generate a second beaker until there is eight or more trade arrows. But caravan delivery bonuses produce beakers equal to the gold, and those beakers are not halved.
The other benefit of discovering Trade is building the wonder called Marco Polo's Embassy. By itself it does not give you trade, techs, or maps, but it allows you to see everything on the Intel screen that you would discover in setting up an embassy with a Diplomat. Early in the game, when few other civs have explored much with ships, having an embassy with everyone allows you to trade techs and maps, even if you start with a disadvantage. This game was a classic case of Marco Polo Manipulation.
Upon finishing Marco Polo's Embassy (I wanted Pyramids first) I discovered there were 19 techs known among the seven civs, but I had only 7. In several cases I had only two techs that a particular civ did not, so trading would require careful planning. Also, I did not have Maps yet, so I did not know where each civ was in relation to the others. From the Intel screen I could see only one war in progress, but I knew that hostile contact could have happened without being listed. When one civ is hostile toward another their attitude drops toward you if you conclude a peace treaty with their enemy. I was going to have to watch the attitudes carefully and revisit some civs if things changed.
Here is a summary of the other civs before I started trading:
*Receptive Celts: Despotism, 216g, 2cities, 8techs, research: Wheel, war:Carthage
*Receptive Germans: Monarchy, 203g, 4cities, 11techs, research: Republic, no wars
*Uncoop Aztecs: Despotism, 112g, 2cities, 10techs, research: Currency, no wars
*Neutral Chinese: Despotism, 141g, 4cities, 7techs, research: Republic, no wars
*Icy Carthaginians: Despotism, 424g, 5cities, 11techs, research: Wheel, war:Celts
*Neutral Indians: Despotism, 265g, 4cities, 11techs, research: Astronomy, no wars
I gather the intent of the game was to give the AI civs a head start with Monarchy or Communism, but it looks to me like they all reverted to Despotism early on until they discovered better government on their own. There must be an error in the AI logic that it does not stick with any government "gifts" in a Scenario. The one civ in Monarchy had discovered it on their own, and two others were researching Republic.
Anyway, from each Intel screen I made a chart of "who had what":
Alph- JAP,India,Carthage,China,Aztec,German,Celt
Bro- JAP,India,Carthage,China,Aztec,German,Celt
CerB- India,Carthage,China,Aztec,German,Celt
CoL- JAP,Carthage,China,Aztec,German,Celt
Cons- German
Cur- JAP,Carthage,German,Celt
Hor- India,Carthage,Celt
Lit- India,China,German
Map- India,Carthage,German
Mas- JAP,India,Carthage,China,Aztec,German
Math- India,Aztec
MON- Aztec,German
Myst- India,Carthage,Aztec,Celt
Phil- India
Poly- Carthage
Pot- Carthage,Aztec,Celt
Tra- JAP
WarC- India
Wri- China,Aztec,German
I then rearranged this into the following (the capitalized ones I had):
Receptive Celts need Cons, Lit, Map, MAS, Math, Mon, Phil, Poly, TRA, WAR, Wri
Receptive Germans need Hor, Math, Myst, Phil, Poly, Pot, TRA, WAR
Uncooperative Aztecs need Cons, CUR, Hor, Lit, Map, Phil, Poly, TRA, WAR
Neutral Chinese need Cons, CUR, Hor, Map, Math, Mon, Myst, Phil, Poly, Pot, TRA, WAR
Icy Carthage need Cons, Lit, Math, Mon, Phil, TRA, WAR, Wri
Neutral Indians need COL, Cons, CUR, Mon, Poly, Pot, TRA, Wri
It may also help to bear in mind the "natures" of the AI civs, as that can prejudice them to "appreciate" certain tech gifts more than others:
Celt- Rational Expansionist
German- Aggressive Civilized Perfectionist
Aztec- Civilized Perfectionist
Chinese- Civilized
Carthage- Militaristic
Indian- Rational Perfectionist
One last thing before I started trading: I dumped my treasury into Partial Rush-Buying. Sometimes when you are above 50g the other civs will demand a gift of gold to continue with negotiations. So use your gold before you negotiate, unless you are planning to pay for a tech.
My priorities were: Maps for trading, Writing for Diplomats, Ceremonial Burial and Mysticism for Tithe-makers, and Philosophy and PolyTheism for starting on MonoTheism, which gives Crusaders and Michelangelo's Chapel.
I've tried this different ways, sometimes starting with the most friendly civs, sometimes the most hostile. This time I decided to try the most hostile for two reasons: they had two techs I really wanted, Maps and PolyTheism, and they were in a war so they would probably appreciate getting WarCode, one of the few I had that they did not. They were also the larger of the two civs, with 5 cities to the Celts 2. I figured the Celts would be more desperate and thus less likely to refuse when I approached them after making peace with Carthage.
I met the Icy Carthaginians and found they had 5 Spears on their Power Display, meaning they were Mighty. They made an immediate peace offer, which I accepted, whereupon they turned Receptive. I was suprised, but figured it might have something to do with the war. I asked to exchange techs, and they expressed interest in WarCode, as expected. When you do not know what they have they will choose two of yours that they are interested in, listing the most preferred first. Sometimes offering the alternative is acceptable, but sometimes they reject it. There is a chart of "tech valuations" somewhere in RULES.TXT that "rates" the techs versus the Civilized/Miilitaristic "nature" of the AI civ. If you are trying to improve their attitude toward you, you really want to give that primary tech when asked. Turning it down can move you down a notch in their attitudes. Anyway, once you agree to exchange you can pick any one of their techs, no matter what they "offered". I chose Maps, then asked for a second round of exchange, where they took Trade and I took PolyTheism. Their attitude had improved to Cordial, but I had run out of techs to trade, so I closed discussions.
Just to see how things went (I seemed to be on a roll...) I approached the Receptive Celts next. They had 3 Spears in their Power Display, which meant they were Moderate. We had a lively exchange: Maps for Pottery, WarCode for Mysticism, Trade for Horseback Riding, and Masonry for Ceremonial Burial. They then impudently demanded PolyTheism, but since I was in a good mood I let them have it (they would need it against Carthage), whereupon they offered peace. They were now Worshipful, so I asked for their map and got half of Carthage in the bargain.
Moving down the list, I next met with the Receptive Germans. They had 4 Spears, so they were Strong. Another lively exchange ensued: Trade for Construction, WarCode for Literacy, Mysticism for Monarchy, and Pottery for Writing. They offered peace, we shook hands, and their attitude said Worshipful. I asked to exchange maps, but they said they had "no need" for my useless maps, and they reverted back to Receptive. That usually happens when I've forgotten to make sure they have the MapMaking tech, but I rechecked the Intel screen and they did. I would have to come back to them later.
Next was the Uncooperative Aztecs, who turned out to have NO spears, so they were Pathetic. They demanded Literacy as a price of continuing negotiations, so I gave it to them and got a peace treaty. I then exchanged Trade for Mathematics so that I did not have to ask the Indians for it. They were Enthusiastic now, so I gifted them Construction to Worshipful, but I knew they did not have MapMaking yet so I offered another gift and Maps came up as the alternate. Then we amiably exchanged maps and I concluded.
There was only one tech left on my wish list, but I was still interested in maps, so I met the Neutral Chinese. They had 1 Spear, so they were Inadequate. They demanded Trade, which I gave them to get the peace treaty, which got them to Receptive. I then gifted them Construction and Pottery to Worshipful and asked for a map exchange: "no need for your useless maps". I had forgotten about MapMaking again. I gifted Maps and asked again and we exchanged maps and closed discussions.
On to the last civ, my KeyCiv, the Neutral Indians. They had 2 Spears, which meant they were Weak (which is better than Inadequate?). They immediately demanded Construction, which I gave them to get a peace treaty. I asked for an exchange and they wanted Trade, so I got Philosophy. They were now Cordial, so I gifted PolyTheism and Pottery to get to Worshipful and exchange maps. It was a wrap.
I had all the techs now, but not all the maps. I revisited the Receptive Carthaginians and gifted them Construction, Math, and Philosophy (little dangerous there: they might beat me to MonoTheism, but I could start right away and use caravans, so I felt safe), they turned Worshipful and exchanged maps. I then revisited the Germans, gifted Philosophy, PolyTheism and Math (all primary requests) to get them to Worshipful as well and got their map too. Now I had all the techs, all the maps, peace with everyone and all the attitudes were Enthusiastic.
A couple of final things. My research cost had gone way up, so it was time to play with my KeyCiv, the Indians. I gifted them every tech they did not have and got a 15% drop in research cost. I also noticed that the Aztecs were still researching Currency, which I already had, so I revisited them and had to give them WarCode and Horseback Riding before Currency came up as an alternate. Gifting them their current research forces them to change to a new tech, hopefully one that I wanted and could trade for in the future.
Before ending my turn I checked out the maps carefully, comparing city size, commodity demands, and developed terrain to pick the best trading partners for upcoming caravan deliveries. Since tech hiding was off I did not have to check to see if all my new techs would hide or enable MonoTheism as my next research (I had been working on Maps). I also looked at which AI cities were building wonders, trying to gauge their production rates so I could tell how many caravans to devote to wonders versus deliveries. Plug the laptop in to charge, turn off the alarm (it can't really be THAT late- or rather early...), and off to bed dreaming of more "1000 ways to know you've played too much CIV"!
The other benefit of discovering Trade is building the wonder called Marco Polo's Embassy. By itself it does not give you trade, techs, or maps, but it allows you to see everything on the Intel screen that you would discover in setting up an embassy with a Diplomat. Early in the game, when few other civs have explored much with ships, having an embassy with everyone allows you to trade techs and maps, even if you start with a disadvantage. This game was a classic case of Marco Polo Manipulation.
Upon finishing Marco Polo's Embassy (I wanted Pyramids first) I discovered there were 19 techs known among the seven civs, but I had only 7. In several cases I had only two techs that a particular civ did not, so trading would require careful planning. Also, I did not have Maps yet, so I did not know where each civ was in relation to the others. From the Intel screen I could see only one war in progress, but I knew that hostile contact could have happened without being listed. When one civ is hostile toward another their attitude drops toward you if you conclude a peace treaty with their enemy. I was going to have to watch the attitudes carefully and revisit some civs if things changed.
Here is a summary of the other civs before I started trading:
*Receptive Celts: Despotism, 216g, 2cities, 8techs, research: Wheel, war:Carthage
*Receptive Germans: Monarchy, 203g, 4cities, 11techs, research: Republic, no wars
*Uncoop Aztecs: Despotism, 112g, 2cities, 10techs, research: Currency, no wars
*Neutral Chinese: Despotism, 141g, 4cities, 7techs, research: Republic, no wars
*Icy Carthaginians: Despotism, 424g, 5cities, 11techs, research: Wheel, war:Celts
*Neutral Indians: Despotism, 265g, 4cities, 11techs, research: Astronomy, no wars
I gather the intent of the game was to give the AI civs a head start with Monarchy or Communism, but it looks to me like they all reverted to Despotism early on until they discovered better government on their own. There must be an error in the AI logic that it does not stick with any government "gifts" in a Scenario. The one civ in Monarchy had discovered it on their own, and two others were researching Republic.
Anyway, from each Intel screen I made a chart of "who had what":
Alph- JAP,India,Carthage,China,Aztec,German,Celt
Bro- JAP,India,Carthage,China,Aztec,German,Celt
CerB- India,Carthage,China,Aztec,German,Celt
CoL- JAP,Carthage,China,Aztec,German,Celt
Cons- German
Cur- JAP,Carthage,German,Celt
Hor- India,Carthage,Celt
Lit- India,China,German
Map- India,Carthage,German
Mas- JAP,India,Carthage,China,Aztec,German
Math- India,Aztec
MON- Aztec,German
Myst- India,Carthage,Aztec,Celt
Phil- India
Poly- Carthage
Pot- Carthage,Aztec,Celt
Tra- JAP
WarC- India
Wri- China,Aztec,German
I then rearranged this into the following (the capitalized ones I had):
Receptive Celts need Cons, Lit, Map, MAS, Math, Mon, Phil, Poly, TRA, WAR, Wri
Receptive Germans need Hor, Math, Myst, Phil, Poly, Pot, TRA, WAR
Uncooperative Aztecs need Cons, CUR, Hor, Lit, Map, Phil, Poly, TRA, WAR
Neutral Chinese need Cons, CUR, Hor, Map, Math, Mon, Myst, Phil, Poly, Pot, TRA, WAR
Icy Carthage need Cons, Lit, Math, Mon, Phil, TRA, WAR, Wri
Neutral Indians need COL, Cons, CUR, Mon, Poly, Pot, TRA, Wri
It may also help to bear in mind the "natures" of the AI civs, as that can prejudice them to "appreciate" certain tech gifts more than others:
Celt- Rational Expansionist
German- Aggressive Civilized Perfectionist
Aztec- Civilized Perfectionist
Chinese- Civilized
Carthage- Militaristic
Indian- Rational Perfectionist
One last thing before I started trading: I dumped my treasury into Partial Rush-Buying. Sometimes when you are above 50g the other civs will demand a gift of gold to continue with negotiations. So use your gold before you negotiate, unless you are planning to pay for a tech.
My priorities were: Maps for trading, Writing for Diplomats, Ceremonial Burial and Mysticism for Tithe-makers, and Philosophy and PolyTheism for starting on MonoTheism, which gives Crusaders and Michelangelo's Chapel.
I've tried this different ways, sometimes starting with the most friendly civs, sometimes the most hostile. This time I decided to try the most hostile for two reasons: they had two techs I really wanted, Maps and PolyTheism, and they were in a war so they would probably appreciate getting WarCode, one of the few I had that they did not. They were also the larger of the two civs, with 5 cities to the Celts 2. I figured the Celts would be more desperate and thus less likely to refuse when I approached them after making peace with Carthage.
I met the Icy Carthaginians and found they had 5 Spears on their Power Display, meaning they were Mighty. They made an immediate peace offer, which I accepted, whereupon they turned Receptive. I was suprised, but figured it might have something to do with the war. I asked to exchange techs, and they expressed interest in WarCode, as expected. When you do not know what they have they will choose two of yours that they are interested in, listing the most preferred first. Sometimes offering the alternative is acceptable, but sometimes they reject it. There is a chart of "tech valuations" somewhere in RULES.TXT that "rates" the techs versus the Civilized/Miilitaristic "nature" of the AI civ. If you are trying to improve their attitude toward you, you really want to give that primary tech when asked. Turning it down can move you down a notch in their attitudes. Anyway, once you agree to exchange you can pick any one of their techs, no matter what they "offered". I chose Maps, then asked for a second round of exchange, where they took Trade and I took PolyTheism. Their attitude had improved to Cordial, but I had run out of techs to trade, so I closed discussions.
Just to see how things went (I seemed to be on a roll...) I approached the Receptive Celts next. They had 3 Spears in their Power Display, which meant they were Moderate. We had a lively exchange: Maps for Pottery, WarCode for Mysticism, Trade for Horseback Riding, and Masonry for Ceremonial Burial. They then impudently demanded PolyTheism, but since I was in a good mood I let them have it (they would need it against Carthage), whereupon they offered peace. They were now Worshipful, so I asked for their map and got half of Carthage in the bargain.
Moving down the list, I next met with the Receptive Germans. They had 4 Spears, so they were Strong. Another lively exchange ensued: Trade for Construction, WarCode for Literacy, Mysticism for Monarchy, and Pottery for Writing. They offered peace, we shook hands, and their attitude said Worshipful. I asked to exchange maps, but they said they had "no need" for my useless maps, and they reverted back to Receptive. That usually happens when I've forgotten to make sure they have the MapMaking tech, but I rechecked the Intel screen and they did. I would have to come back to them later.
Next was the Uncooperative Aztecs, who turned out to have NO spears, so they were Pathetic. They demanded Literacy as a price of continuing negotiations, so I gave it to them and got a peace treaty. I then exchanged Trade for Mathematics so that I did not have to ask the Indians for it. They were Enthusiastic now, so I gifted them Construction to Worshipful, but I knew they did not have MapMaking yet so I offered another gift and Maps came up as the alternate. Then we amiably exchanged maps and I concluded.
There was only one tech left on my wish list, but I was still interested in maps, so I met the Neutral Chinese. They had 1 Spear, so they were Inadequate. They demanded Trade, which I gave them to get the peace treaty, which got them to Receptive. I then gifted them Construction and Pottery to Worshipful and asked for a map exchange: "no need for your useless maps". I had forgotten about MapMaking again. I gifted Maps and asked again and we exchanged maps and closed discussions.
On to the last civ, my KeyCiv, the Neutral Indians. They had 2 Spears, which meant they were Weak (which is better than Inadequate?). They immediately demanded Construction, which I gave them to get a peace treaty. I asked for an exchange and they wanted Trade, so I got Philosophy. They were now Cordial, so I gifted PolyTheism and Pottery to get to Worshipful and exchange maps. It was a wrap.
I had all the techs now, but not all the maps. I revisited the Receptive Carthaginians and gifted them Construction, Math, and Philosophy (little dangerous there: they might beat me to MonoTheism, but I could start right away and use caravans, so I felt safe), they turned Worshipful and exchanged maps. I then revisited the Germans, gifted Philosophy, PolyTheism and Math (all primary requests) to get them to Worshipful as well and got their map too. Now I had all the techs, all the maps, peace with everyone and all the attitudes were Enthusiastic.
A couple of final things. My research cost had gone way up, so it was time to play with my KeyCiv, the Indians. I gifted them every tech they did not have and got a 15% drop in research cost. I also noticed that the Aztecs were still researching Currency, which I already had, so I revisited them and had to give them WarCode and Horseback Riding before Currency came up as an alternate. Gifting them their current research forces them to change to a new tech, hopefully one that I wanted and could trade for in the future.
Before ending my turn I checked out the maps carefully, comparing city size, commodity demands, and developed terrain to pick the best trading partners for upcoming caravan deliveries. Since tech hiding was off I did not have to check to see if all my new techs would hide or enable MonoTheism as my next research (I had been working on Maps). I also looked at which AI cities were building wonders, trying to gauge their production rates so I could tell how many caravans to devote to wonders versus deliveries. Plug the laptop in to charge, turn off the alarm (it can't really be THAT late- or rather early...), and off to bed dreaming of more "1000 ways to know you've played too much CIV"!
GaryNemo
Settler from None
Pyramids, then Lighthouse and Caravans
ElephantU, that is a marvelous tale. I have gotten some tech from the AI with my Marco Polo, but not all that you did! Again Smash is clobbering me because I kept the Settler from None.
I list the Status Snap Shot per Ali Ardavan below at 1000BC, 1AD, and 500AD. It was a bit of news going thru all of that data, but I doubt I will continue to do it at 1000AD and such. Sorry, too much work.
All Fundy Govt (Irrigation!) No Huts, Restless, Normal Map
2 Settlers on Green, Bronze Plan: Pyramids & Trade
4000 Road, NE to Capital
3950 Kyoto on Pure Green, R: Alpha for Trade and Writing over Masonry CerBur Curr HorseBR Pot WarCode, st Warrior
3900 Irrigation, finished in 3750 50,00,50%
3700 FIRST WARRIOR, start Settler
3550 IPRB=10 $6 to speed Settler
3500 Alpha, R: Writing over CodeLaws Curr Mason, CerBur Map HBR Pot WarCode
3250 Second Road & Irrigation.
3050 Founded Osaka on Forest w Fish, st Warr, IPRB $6
2900 IPRB $8 and odd serfs...
2850 Second Warrior, building 2 Settlers.
2800 Writing, R: CodeLaws Trade over Curr Mason WarCode Map CerBur HBR Pot, IPRB=10 $13 Osaka Settler.
2650 Second Settler, Kyoto start one more. IPRB always.
2600 Decided to Road Plains so City#3 gets a Sci Beaker.
2450 Fdd Edo, started Settler of course...
2400 100,000 in 3c, F5 $5 -0, Sci 3/10 3T, F11 Mfg=9 #1 FS=8.2
F11 #1 Population, Manufacg, Land, Family, #3 Productivity?
2200 Kyoto Sett, prebuild Pyramids. 3 Settlers & 2 Warriors, building Wonder Phx and Settler. No AI or Barbs yet.
2150 CodeLaws, R: Curr over Mason WarCode Map CerBur Lit HBR Pot
2050 Founded Satsuma, Irrg Wheat completed.
1900 FIRST PHX PHALANX. Garrison Kyoto building Wonder.
1700 Founded Kagoshima, F5 $9 -0, Sci 5/8 4T, Mfg=15 #1
1600 Curr, R: Trade over Mason Map WarCode CerBur Lit HBR Pot
1500 FIRST DIPLOMAT, building Wonder, 3 Settlers & Dip.
We have 2 of the top 5 cities! Amazing! No AI nor Barbs...
1450 Germans started PYRAMIDS! Fdd Nara Silk. Next sites???
1100 Trade, R: Mason over Map WarCode CerBur Lit HBR Pot
1000 BC: 4 Sett+2 0.Van+3 building, 2.Dip 2.Warr 1.Phx
270,000 in 6c, F5 $13 -0, Sci 6/11 6T, F11 Mfg=24 #1 FS=7.8
F11 #1 Population, Manufacg, Land, Family, and Productivity
Snap Shot Status at -1000
Population: 270K Cities: 6 Trade routes: None Gov: Fundy
Finance. Treasury: 145 Cost per turn: 0 Income: 13 Tax rate: 50%
Science: Total advances: 6 Advance every 11 turns Science rate: 50%
Production: 24MT 0 polluted tiles
Wonders: None yet anywhere
Units: 4.Settlers (1.None), 1.Phalanx, 2.Warriors, 2.Diplomat, 0.Caravan. No.Contact!
975 Founded Nagoya, Izumo, and in 850 BC Nagasaki
850 440,000 in 9c, F5 $19 -0, Sci 9/8 6T, Mfg=36 #1
Masonry! Map over Math WarCode CerBur Lit Constr HBR Pot
825 BUILT PYRAMIDS of KYOTO, Germans to Colossus, good!
725 Kyoto Gems to Nara PAID $30 ! Berlin builds COLOSSUS
700 Map, R: CerBur over Math Lit WarCode Constr HBR Pottery
650 Celts start LightHouse, too late.
625 LIGHTHOUSE of KYOTO. Chinese start HG! Celts abandon.
575 610,000 in 9c, F5 $24 -0, Sci 11/9 8T, F11 Mfg=43 #1 FS=6.5
Indians start Great Library
500 CerBur, R: Myst over Math Lit WarCode Constr HBR Pot Mon
475 founded Yokozuma
425 880,000 in 10c, F5 $28 -0, Sci 14/8 9T, F11 Mfg=50 #1 FS=6.1
Celts started Great Wall! LIBRARY of KYOTO, Scientist 6 beakers
400 Founded Shimonoseki. Chinese build HANGING GARDENS
350 Kyoto Copper to Satsuma PAID $32, Noticed German Horseman
Mysticism, R: Constr over Math Lit WarCode HBR Pot Monarchy.
325 Bribe German Horse $99 None, I refuse to pay $50, WAR!
300 Hamburg for $300, but I only have $234... Chinese st Marco!
250 Bangalore, Indians demand Trade, No. Gift Trade, accepted.
225 GREAT WALL of KYOTO, Celts sw to Oracle. Fdd Matsuyama River.
200 Berlin Philosophy, Constr! R: Math over Lit WarCode HBR Pot Mon
175 1280,000 in 12c, F5 $35 -1, Sci 21/7 11T, F11 Mfg=65 #1 FS=5.3
150 Kells Celts build Oracle, Fdd Sapporo, Germans st Copernicus!
125 Barb Archer $61, Trireme $82, Nice! Aztecs st Copernicus!
100 Stumble upon Aztec Trireme, bribe $106. Indians are enthusiastic, we give Writing, Worshipful, exchange maps nicely. They expel our Dip.
75 Kyoto Silver to Kagoshima PAID $40.
Mathematics, R: Astro Cops over Lit WarCode HBR Pot Monarchy.
50 MARCO POLO of KYOTO, Chinese abandon. Founded HakoIsle
1 AD Kyoto Silk to Bangalore PAID $209 !
1480,000 in 14c, F5 $43 -1, Sci 28/6 12T, F11 Mfg=65 #1 FS=5.6
6.Sett+5 9.Dip+1 6.Van+5 4.Phx+2 2.War+1 1.Arch 1.Horse 4.Trir No.Dead
Pyramids Light Grt.Wall Marco, 1.Libr 1.Temple 6.Routes@$1
Astro Cops, R: Lit over WarCode HBR Pot Monarchy.
Status at +1
Population: 1.48M Cities: 14 Trade routes: 6D,0F Gov: Fundy
Finance. Treasury: 285 Cost per turn: 1 Income: 43 Tax rate: 50%
Science: Total advances: 12 Advance every 6 turns Science rate: 50%
Production: 65MT 0 polluted tiles
Wonders: Pyramids, Lighthouse, Great Wall, Marco Polo
Units: 6.Settlers (1.None), 1.Archers, 4.Phalanx, 2.Warriors, 1.Horseman, 0.Elephant, 4.Trireme, 9.Diplomat, 6.Caravan.
Indians: 4 cities, 409g, 17 tech, Peace Germans & Me, Monarchy
Chinese: 5 c, 298g, 11 t, 298g, Hanging Gardens, Despotic
Germans: 4 c, 404g, 20 t, War w Me, Peace India, Colossus, Repub
Carthage: 5 c, 568g, 14 t, War w Celts, Despotic
Celts: 5 c, 397g, 13 t, War w Carthage, Despotic
Aztec: 5 c, 208g, 13 t, Despotic
20AD Dehli build Grt Library, Germans War Code...
40 Kyoto Gems Yokozuma PAID $54, Celts Bridge...
60 Built COPERNICUS of KYOTO, Germans abandon, Aztecs switch to Magellan! Fdd Ise Whale. 1580,000 in 15c, F5 $46 -1, 38/5 13T, Mfg=73
Lit , R: HBR Inv over WarCode Philo Repub Pot Monarchy
140 Subvert Hamburg $705 of 707! Get $85 Phx Eleph Market, steal Poly over HBR Monarchy Philo Pot Repub Univ WarCode.
160 Kyoto Gold Nagoya PAID $48, Indians offer WarCode for Math.
2020,000 in 16c, F5 $59 -2, Sci 38/6 15T, F11 Mfg=85 #1 FS=5.0
Many AI Science, Carth & Celts sign Peace Treaty.
HBR, R: Wheel over Philo WarCode Repub Pot Monarchy
180 built AQUADUCT of KYOTO, Celts exch Iron for Lit, WarCode for Trade, Bridge for Math (Indians Iron & Math via Grt Libr), Pot for Astron, then Worshipful so Celts Trade Maps, we subvert Caernafon $108, got $23 and Warrior, now they are Enraged! We are still Spotless. Sci/13
200 Kyoto Silver, Kagoshima PAID only $44, Satsuma Beads, Kyoto PAID $30
240 Kyoto Silk, Hamburg PAID $216. Aztec & Germans Peace Treaty?
260 Wheel, R: Engr over Philo Seafaring Repub Monarchy, German Elephant attacks Hamburg Phx and dies, now we're Vet.
280 Celts demand Code Laws, No, LOST FIRST WARRIOR in vicious Celt Elephant Attack. New Archer kills invaders.
300 Founded Toyisla, bribe German Trireme $116 None
320 Kyoto Silver, Izuma PAID $60
340 Kyoto Gold, Berlin PAID $336 Chinese Seafaring, then Indians Grt Libr. Engr KRC, R: Invent over Philo Seafaring Monarchy Repub
360 Founded Fukburg.
420 Founded Suoyama, Bizen Ise. Bribe Carth Eleph $162 None. Sapporo Sett survived Barb Horse! Now Vet, keep it?
460 Carth demands Engr, No. Panormus $519, never mind. Celt Elephant attacks Caernarfon, dies, also Barb Horse. Built Izumo KRC.
480 Kyoto Gold, Nagoya PAID $90. Enthusiastic Indians also demand Engineering, No. We insist they withdraw Settler, they do so.
500 Founded Echizen finally!
2880,000 in 22c, F5 $89 -6, Sci 52/11 22T, F11 Mfg=114 #1 FS=5.1 #1! 9.Sett+4 14.Dip+4 9.Van+7 4.Warr+2 11.Phx+3 2.Arch+1 4.Eleph 6.Trireme 1.Aquaduct 2.Market 2.Libr+1 4.Temple
Kyoto Hides, Bangalore PAID $352. Invention, R: Philosophy over Monarchy Gunpowder Seafaring Republic ... thinking Mike's Chapel.
Status at +500
Population: 2.88M Cities: 22 Trade routes: 11D,2F Gov: Fundy
Finance. Treasury: 891 Cost per turn: 6 Income: 89 Tax rate: 50%
Science: Total advances: 22 Advance every 11 turns Science rate: 50%
Production: 114MT 0 polluted tiles
Wonders: Pyramids, Lighthouse, Great Wall, Marco, Copernicus, King.Richard
Units: 9.Settlers (1.None), 2.Archers, 11.Phalanx, 4.Warriors, 4.Elephant, 1.Horseman, 6.Trireme, 14.Diplomat, 9.Caravan.
Capturing stuff from Germans and Celts
Indians: 4 cities, 750g, 29 tech, Peace Germans & Me, Great Libr, Repub
Chinese: 6 c, 481g, 15 t, 298g, Hanging Gardens, Monarchy
Germans: 3 c, 450g, 26 t, War w Me, Peace India Aztec, Colossus, Repub
Carthage: 5 c, 746g, 20 t, Allied w Celts, Despotic
Celts: 4 c, 462g, 20 t, War w Carthage, Allied Celts, Oracle, Despotic
Aztec: 6 c, 221g, 16 t, Republic
520 Kyoto Silk, Bangalore PAID $276 Enthusiastic Indians want Invention, too busy w Magellan to exchange, but swap maps!
540 Kyoto Dye, Izumo PAID $26 Fdd Izumwhi, bribe Ind War $51 None.
560 Built LEONARDO of KYOTO Fdd OmiyaMine, bribe Germ Cat $314
580 Philo, R: Mono over Seafaring Gun Univ Med Monarchy Republic
600 Subvert Leipzig $1176, got $171 Set Arch Phx Market Navigation! Izuma KRC Beads, Kyoto PAID $26. Bribe Indian Arch $217. Aztecs land!
620 kill Aztec Dip (no expel option?), WAR!?, still Spotless!? Chinese Trireme attacks our explorer Caravel, dies. MAGELLAN of DEHLI, Aztecs abandon.
660 Bribe Carth Elephant $220 None, other Phx $97 None. Treas $12 Tough German Eleph kills fortified Archer in their fortress
700 Kyoto Dye, Berlin PAID $204. Bribe Carth Set $388 None. $23 Kozukzen
3840,000 in 27c, F5 $129 -12, Sci 69/9 25T, F11 Mfg=147 #1 FS=4.5 #2!
3.Aquaduct 3.Library 3.Market 4.Temple 14.Sett+6 7.Van+8 17.Dip 7.Caravel 13.Warr+2 18.Phx+3 4.Arch 3.Horse+1 5.Eleph+1 2.Cat+2 Lost:.Warr+Archer
ElephantU, that is a marvelous tale. I have gotten some tech from the AI with my Marco Polo, but not all that you did! Again Smash is clobbering me because I kept the Settler from None.
I list the Status Snap Shot per Ali Ardavan below at 1000BC, 1AD, and 500AD. It was a bit of news going thru all of that data, but I doubt I will continue to do it at 1000AD and such. Sorry, too much work.
All Fundy Govt (Irrigation!) No Huts, Restless, Normal Map
2 Settlers on Green, Bronze Plan: Pyramids & Trade
4000 Road, NE to Capital
3950 Kyoto on Pure Green, R: Alpha for Trade and Writing over Masonry CerBur Curr HorseBR Pot WarCode, st Warrior
3900 Irrigation, finished in 3750 50,00,50%
3700 FIRST WARRIOR, start Settler
3550 IPRB=10 $6 to speed Settler
3500 Alpha, R: Writing over CodeLaws Curr Mason, CerBur Map HBR Pot WarCode
3250 Second Road & Irrigation.
3050 Founded Osaka on Forest w Fish, st Warr, IPRB $6
2900 IPRB $8 and odd serfs...
2850 Second Warrior, building 2 Settlers.
2800 Writing, R: CodeLaws Trade over Curr Mason WarCode Map CerBur HBR Pot, IPRB=10 $13 Osaka Settler.
2650 Second Settler, Kyoto start one more. IPRB always.
2600 Decided to Road Plains so City#3 gets a Sci Beaker.
2450 Fdd Edo, started Settler of course...
2400 100,000 in 3c, F5 $5 -0, Sci 3/10 3T, F11 Mfg=9 #1 FS=8.2
F11 #1 Population, Manufacg, Land, Family, #3 Productivity?
2200 Kyoto Sett, prebuild Pyramids. 3 Settlers & 2 Warriors, building Wonder Phx and Settler. No AI or Barbs yet.
2150 CodeLaws, R: Curr over Mason WarCode Map CerBur Lit HBR Pot
2050 Founded Satsuma, Irrg Wheat completed.
1900 FIRST PHX PHALANX. Garrison Kyoto building Wonder.
1700 Founded Kagoshima, F5 $9 -0, Sci 5/8 4T, Mfg=15 #1
1600 Curr, R: Trade over Mason Map WarCode CerBur Lit HBR Pot
1500 FIRST DIPLOMAT, building Wonder, 3 Settlers & Dip.
We have 2 of the top 5 cities! Amazing! No AI nor Barbs...
1450 Germans started PYRAMIDS! Fdd Nara Silk. Next sites???
1100 Trade, R: Mason over Map WarCode CerBur Lit HBR Pot
1000 BC: 4 Sett+2 0.Van+3 building, 2.Dip 2.Warr 1.Phx
270,000 in 6c, F5 $13 -0, Sci 6/11 6T, F11 Mfg=24 #1 FS=7.8
F11 #1 Population, Manufacg, Land, Family, and Productivity
Snap Shot Status at -1000
Population: 270K Cities: 6 Trade routes: None Gov: Fundy
Finance. Treasury: 145 Cost per turn: 0 Income: 13 Tax rate: 50%
Science: Total advances: 6 Advance every 11 turns Science rate: 50%
Production: 24MT 0 polluted tiles
Wonders: None yet anywhere
Units: 4.Settlers (1.None), 1.Phalanx, 2.Warriors, 2.Diplomat, 0.Caravan. No.Contact!
975 Founded Nagoya, Izumo, and in 850 BC Nagasaki
850 440,000 in 9c, F5 $19 -0, Sci 9/8 6T, Mfg=36 #1
Masonry! Map over Math WarCode CerBur Lit Constr HBR Pot
825 BUILT PYRAMIDS of KYOTO, Germans to Colossus, good!
725 Kyoto Gems to Nara PAID $30 ! Berlin builds COLOSSUS
700 Map, R: CerBur over Math Lit WarCode Constr HBR Pottery
650 Celts start LightHouse, too late.
625 LIGHTHOUSE of KYOTO. Chinese start HG! Celts abandon.
575 610,000 in 9c, F5 $24 -0, Sci 11/9 8T, F11 Mfg=43 #1 FS=6.5
Indians start Great Library
500 CerBur, R: Myst over Math Lit WarCode Constr HBR Pot Mon
475 founded Yokozuma
425 880,000 in 10c, F5 $28 -0, Sci 14/8 9T, F11 Mfg=50 #1 FS=6.1
Celts started Great Wall! LIBRARY of KYOTO, Scientist 6 beakers
400 Founded Shimonoseki. Chinese build HANGING GARDENS
350 Kyoto Copper to Satsuma PAID $32, Noticed German Horseman
Mysticism, R: Constr over Math Lit WarCode HBR Pot Monarchy.
325 Bribe German Horse $99 None, I refuse to pay $50, WAR!
300 Hamburg for $300, but I only have $234... Chinese st Marco!
250 Bangalore, Indians demand Trade, No. Gift Trade, accepted.
225 GREAT WALL of KYOTO, Celts sw to Oracle. Fdd Matsuyama River.
200 Berlin Philosophy, Constr! R: Math over Lit WarCode HBR Pot Mon
175 1280,000 in 12c, F5 $35 -1, Sci 21/7 11T, F11 Mfg=65 #1 FS=5.3
150 Kells Celts build Oracle, Fdd Sapporo, Germans st Copernicus!
125 Barb Archer $61, Trireme $82, Nice! Aztecs st Copernicus!
100 Stumble upon Aztec Trireme, bribe $106. Indians are enthusiastic, we give Writing, Worshipful, exchange maps nicely. They expel our Dip.
75 Kyoto Silver to Kagoshima PAID $40.
Mathematics, R: Astro Cops over Lit WarCode HBR Pot Monarchy.
50 MARCO POLO of KYOTO, Chinese abandon. Founded HakoIsle
1 AD Kyoto Silk to Bangalore PAID $209 !
1480,000 in 14c, F5 $43 -1, Sci 28/6 12T, F11 Mfg=65 #1 FS=5.6
6.Sett+5 9.Dip+1 6.Van+5 4.Phx+2 2.War+1 1.Arch 1.Horse 4.Trir No.Dead
Pyramids Light Grt.Wall Marco, 1.Libr 1.Temple 6.Routes@$1
Astro Cops, R: Lit over WarCode HBR Pot Monarchy.
Status at +1
Population: 1.48M Cities: 14 Trade routes: 6D,0F Gov: Fundy
Finance. Treasury: 285 Cost per turn: 1 Income: 43 Tax rate: 50%
Science: Total advances: 12 Advance every 6 turns Science rate: 50%
Production: 65MT 0 polluted tiles
Wonders: Pyramids, Lighthouse, Great Wall, Marco Polo
Units: 6.Settlers (1.None), 1.Archers, 4.Phalanx, 2.Warriors, 1.Horseman, 0.Elephant, 4.Trireme, 9.Diplomat, 6.Caravan.
Indians: 4 cities, 409g, 17 tech, Peace Germans & Me, Monarchy
Chinese: 5 c, 298g, 11 t, 298g, Hanging Gardens, Despotic
Germans: 4 c, 404g, 20 t, War w Me, Peace India, Colossus, Repub
Carthage: 5 c, 568g, 14 t, War w Celts, Despotic
Celts: 5 c, 397g, 13 t, War w Carthage, Despotic
Aztec: 5 c, 208g, 13 t, Despotic
20AD Dehli build Grt Library, Germans War Code...
40 Kyoto Gems Yokozuma PAID $54, Celts Bridge...
60 Built COPERNICUS of KYOTO, Germans abandon, Aztecs switch to Magellan! Fdd Ise Whale. 1580,000 in 15c, F5 $46 -1, 38/5 13T, Mfg=73
Lit , R: HBR Inv over WarCode Philo Repub Pot Monarchy
140 Subvert Hamburg $705 of 707! Get $85 Phx Eleph Market, steal Poly over HBR Monarchy Philo Pot Repub Univ WarCode.
160 Kyoto Gold Nagoya PAID $48, Indians offer WarCode for Math.
2020,000 in 16c, F5 $59 -2, Sci 38/6 15T, F11 Mfg=85 #1 FS=5.0
Many AI Science, Carth & Celts sign Peace Treaty.
HBR, R: Wheel over Philo WarCode Repub Pot Monarchy
180 built AQUADUCT of KYOTO, Celts exch Iron for Lit, WarCode for Trade, Bridge for Math (Indians Iron & Math via Grt Libr), Pot for Astron, then Worshipful so Celts Trade Maps, we subvert Caernafon $108, got $23 and Warrior, now they are Enraged! We are still Spotless. Sci/13
200 Kyoto Silver, Kagoshima PAID only $44, Satsuma Beads, Kyoto PAID $30
240 Kyoto Silk, Hamburg PAID $216. Aztec & Germans Peace Treaty?
260 Wheel, R: Engr over Philo Seafaring Repub Monarchy, German Elephant attacks Hamburg Phx and dies, now we're Vet.
280 Celts demand Code Laws, No, LOST FIRST WARRIOR in vicious Celt Elephant Attack. New Archer kills invaders.
300 Founded Toyisla, bribe German Trireme $116 None
320 Kyoto Silver, Izuma PAID $60
340 Kyoto Gold, Berlin PAID $336 Chinese Seafaring, then Indians Grt Libr. Engr KRC, R: Invent over Philo Seafaring Monarchy Repub
360 Founded Fukburg.
420 Founded Suoyama, Bizen Ise. Bribe Carth Eleph $162 None. Sapporo Sett survived Barb Horse! Now Vet, keep it?
460 Carth demands Engr, No. Panormus $519, never mind. Celt Elephant attacks Caernarfon, dies, also Barb Horse. Built Izumo KRC.
480 Kyoto Gold, Nagoya PAID $90. Enthusiastic Indians also demand Engineering, No. We insist they withdraw Settler, they do so.
500 Founded Echizen finally!
2880,000 in 22c, F5 $89 -6, Sci 52/11 22T, F11 Mfg=114 #1 FS=5.1 #1! 9.Sett+4 14.Dip+4 9.Van+7 4.Warr+2 11.Phx+3 2.Arch+1 4.Eleph 6.Trireme 1.Aquaduct 2.Market 2.Libr+1 4.Temple
Kyoto Hides, Bangalore PAID $352. Invention, R: Philosophy over Monarchy Gunpowder Seafaring Republic ... thinking Mike's Chapel.
Status at +500
Population: 2.88M Cities: 22 Trade routes: 11D,2F Gov: Fundy
Finance. Treasury: 891 Cost per turn: 6 Income: 89 Tax rate: 50%
Science: Total advances: 22 Advance every 11 turns Science rate: 50%
Production: 114MT 0 polluted tiles
Wonders: Pyramids, Lighthouse, Great Wall, Marco, Copernicus, King.Richard
Units: 9.Settlers (1.None), 2.Archers, 11.Phalanx, 4.Warriors, 4.Elephant, 1.Horseman, 6.Trireme, 14.Diplomat, 9.Caravan.
Capturing stuff from Germans and Celts
Indians: 4 cities, 750g, 29 tech, Peace Germans & Me, Great Libr, Repub
Chinese: 6 c, 481g, 15 t, 298g, Hanging Gardens, Monarchy
Germans: 3 c, 450g, 26 t, War w Me, Peace India Aztec, Colossus, Repub
Carthage: 5 c, 746g, 20 t, Allied w Celts, Despotic
Celts: 4 c, 462g, 20 t, War w Carthage, Allied Celts, Oracle, Despotic
Aztec: 6 c, 221g, 16 t, Republic
520 Kyoto Silk, Bangalore PAID $276 Enthusiastic Indians want Invention, too busy w Magellan to exchange, but swap maps!
540 Kyoto Dye, Izumo PAID $26
Fdd Izumwhi, bribe Ind War $51 None.560 Built LEONARDO of KYOTO Fdd OmiyaMine, bribe Germ Cat $314
580 Philo, R: Mono over Seafaring Gun Univ Med Monarchy Republic
600 Subvert Leipzig $1176, got $171 Set Arch Phx Market Navigation! Izuma KRC Beads, Kyoto PAID $26. Bribe Indian Arch $217. Aztecs land!
620 kill Aztec Dip (no expel option?), WAR!?, still Spotless!? Chinese Trireme attacks our explorer Caravel, dies. MAGELLAN of DEHLI, Aztecs abandon.
660 Bribe Carth Elephant $220 None, other Phx $97 None. Treas $12
Tough German Eleph kills fortified Archer in their fortress 700 Kyoto Dye, Berlin PAID $204. Bribe Carth Set $388 None. $23
Kozukzen3840,000 in 27c, F5 $129 -12, Sci 69/9 25T, F11 Mfg=147 #1 FS=4.5 #2!
3.Aquaduct 3.Library 3.Market 4.Temple 14.Sett+6 7.Van+8 17.Dip 7.Caravel 13.Warr+2 18.Phx+3 4.Arch 3.Horse+1 5.Eleph+1 2.Cat+2 Lost:.Warr+Archer
This was way more fun than the last fundy game, probably because of all the food specials.
First look: We start near the dateline. Let's see if there are double-use specials around. Looks like the 4-special site will be on forest. That would allow the size-1 settler at the cost of 10 turns of no science. That can't be good. Lets try a classic ICS trying to double every 13 turns until we get 12 cities. Tech Path: Maps, Poly, kick booty.
BC
4000 Found Kyoto, working fish.
3950* Research Alph. Move settler to mountain
3900 To found Osaka? pro: hill for defence. Con: no science for a while, which is annoying in the early stages. Pop grows slower. That's the kicker.
3850 Osaka founded on grass near wheat. Follow Dave V formula: no roads; maximize food until size 2, then maximize production
3750* Kyoto: PRB warrior, work forest for size 2.
3700 Kyoto size 2
3650 Osaka PRB Warrior.
3600 Osaka work forest for size 2
3550* Osaka size 2
3500 Alph=>Maps
3300 Kyoto builds Settlers.
3250 Osaka builds Settlers. 2nd Wheat found - this one maybe double use!
3150* Build road on Wheat for Osaka science. Build road for new city science. Kyoto PRB warrior
3100 both Osakas workers on wheat, Osaka PRB warrior.
3000 Edo founded. settler moves to other side of dateline to work wheat - Whale!. Goody.
2950* Maps=>HB (33) Satsuma founded working wheat. 4 cities by 2950 looks good.
2750* Kyoto builds Settlers. Starts Lighthouse
2700 Osaka builds Settlers. -will head toward plage to double Whale.
2550* HB=>CB. Kagoshima founded.
2400 Satsuma builds Settlers. Edo Builds Setttlers
2350 * running out of island - time for some triremes.
2300 Nara founded working Whale.
2250 Nagoya founded.
2200 Osaka builds settlers. time for a horse.
2100 CB=>Poly
2050 Izumo founded.
2000 Trireme in Kagoshima finds fish!
1950* Settlers in Satsuma - a roadbuilder and then on a trireme
1800 Happiest: Japanese. RB barracks in Osaka. First Trireme.
1750* Poly=>Writing. Unload settler to work whale on new continent? Nope it's still #20.
1700 Nagasaki founded. Naoya builds settlers.
1650 Nara builds settlers.. Pop 300,000
1400 Yokohama founded. Land Ho!
1350* Writing =>Masonry
1250 Aztec Capital moved to Teotichuan
1200 Nagasaki, Nagoya build Settlers. Shimoneseki founded on new continent (#13)
1000 Masonry=>Pots. Indians. give CB. No peace.
975* Kyoto builds Pyramids Germans: no peace. 50 gold tribute. Matsuyama founded
950 Pop 500,000. Bribe a German and an Indian warrior.
875* Germans: threat. Indians - sneak atack. Germans: 100g for peace. trade CB for Construction. They have CoL, Currency, Literacy. Bribe Indian Horse. Raze Madras.
850 Sapporo founded
825 Hakodate founded
800x Capture Bangalore. 46g. CoL. Indians: offer 200g for peace. FOOLS!. Subvert Bombay - Indians decry incident. Pottery. get 23g, settler, archer, vet phalanx, barracks. What a Deal!. Barbs soon will attack vet phalanx on river, giving leader.
775* Germans ask us to withdraw - we say OK. Barb dies on our phalanx. Research Currency. Kill Barb leader (100g)
750 Pop: 600K. Germans: War. Ise founded
725 Currency=>Trade
675*Indians destroyed.
650 Pop 800k. Leipzig captured. 24 gp, Literacy. Cease-fire.
575*pop 900k Germans: War. find Berlin. Find Canton.
525 Chinese: give Literacy. Ceasefire.
500 Berlin captured. 60gp. Trade. Germans destroyed.
475 *researching Seafaring Chinese start GL
450 Carthage starts HG
425 Seafaring=>IronW
350 Marco Polo finished in Kyoto. Aztecs start HG
MPE investigation:
Celts (despots) Myst, Wheel, 1 city
Aztecs (despots) Math, 3 cities
Carthaginians Myst, 6 cities - researching Engineering for us
Chinese 4 cities no tech
Japanese: 22 cities - only white tech is Poly.
take a break and figure out how to get the AI to research stuff for me. I can get to Leos faster than they, but it may not get that far - vet Elephantsrule! Plan: Build Lighthouse in 3 turns and then boogie. Take out Chinese in standard fashion (raze capital, bribe remaining cities for peanuts) - need 3 dips. A trade carvan is heading to China. Maybe take that stupid ship chain and move it ti Chinese coast. Somebody is east of me.
Celts: give Maps. Trade Constr and Lit for Wheel. Myst. Trade Maps!.
Aztecs: give Lit, Trade, Constr for Mathematics, peace. No maps, no tribute
Chinese: give trade, constr. peace. no tribute
325 Aztecs- give wheel, no joy. Chinese, no joy. Celts - give WC, elephant. No tribute.
275* find Aztec explorer
250 Osaka builds Lighthouse.
225 Carthage develop engineering. Carthage: trade Maps for Engineering. give Literacy; worshipful. ask for tribute - WAR. Feels like MGE
200 Izumo hides to Osksa (d, 40) (Osaka is size 8) Nagasaki Beads to Bombay (d, 96)
175* Aztecs: trade maps. Now we have found everybody.
150 Teotichuan builds HG. Next victim.
125 Carthage builds Colossus. Barbs kill a ship near China. Matsuyama Wool to Carthage (d, 56)
100 Beijing builds GL, Wealthuest: 1. Carthage 2, Chinese 3Aztecs 4Celts 5Japanese
Iron W=>Inv. Edo Silver to Canton (d, 190r)
75* Berlin Gems to Kyoto (d, 180). Subvert Nanking (99x2). Chinese: 75g tribute.
50 Kyoto Dye to Berlin (d,120) Chinese 25g
25 Yokohama Hides to Nanking (D, 88)
1AD Invention =>Bridge B (not Gunpowder yet.) Edo Dye to Leipzig (d, 60) Barb leader 100g
bought many white goods. Chinese 50g
Sun Tzu says 10=1 is good odds.
to conquer Chinese (3 cities) - need 2 dips (Ise, Shimoneseki). For Beijing I think 5 elephants should do it - I have 5 and an archer and a horse - we'll attack in 2 turns when I can get the Ellies there.
Carthage - need a bunch of Elephants and 5 dips. ( Kyoto, Nara, Carthage: 7 elephants: Izumo, Nagasaki, Satsuma, Nagiya, Omi (Osaka?) Attackin about 6 turns when Triremes get there.
Aztecs: 7 Ellies for Teotihuan (Echizen, Leipzig, Sapporo, Bombay +2 already there) and 2 dips. (Berlin, Ise, Toyama) attack when elephants arrive - 8 turns.
Celts - the last one - kill with ellies from Carthage.
set tax to 80% - Time for Total War!
20AD *
40 Chinese: war
60 Beijing taken (27g) (GL) need 285g for Canton.
80 Subvert Canton (112) (get 44g) after knocking it down a few turns. Sell granary.
100* Yokohama Beads to Canton (d,64) Yokohama copper to Canton (d, 64)
Subvert Shanghai (57 - getting 17 back) Chinese destroyed.
120 Carthage develops Alph., kills phalanx and caravan. Ship chain to carthage almost in place.
140 Ship chain to Aztecland almost in place.
160 Tenochtitlan captured (HG, 35g) Give Invention for cease-fire as we are exposed.
220 Tlateloco captured. Tenochtitlan bribed. Aztecs destroyed.
260* A desperate battle against Carthage begins. the 5th dip takes out city walls.
280 almost done.
300 Carthage captured (Colossus, 87gp) Malaca bribed.
320 Panormus bribed.
340* Utica captured
380 Kells subverted. Caralis conquered. Carthage destroyed.
400 closing in on cardiff
420 Cardiff captured. Celts destroyed.
Wonders: 120
Barbs 0
score: {Some amount or another}
Civilization Score: {something else} (an irrelevant number)
Tokugawa the Magnificent
Please don't post both your end date and score information. DoM
First look: We start near the dateline. Let's see if there are double-use specials around. Looks like the 4-special site will be on forest. That would allow the size-1 settler at the cost of 10 turns of no science. That can't be good. Lets try a classic ICS trying to double every 13 turns until we get 12 cities. Tech Path: Maps, Poly, kick booty.
BC
4000 Found Kyoto, working fish.
3950* Research Alph. Move settler to mountain
3900 To found Osaka? pro: hill for defence. Con: no science for a while, which is annoying in the early stages. Pop grows slower. That's the kicker.
3850 Osaka founded on grass near wheat. Follow Dave V formula: no roads; maximize food until size 2, then maximize production
3750* Kyoto: PRB warrior, work forest for size 2.
3700 Kyoto size 2
3650 Osaka PRB Warrior.
3600 Osaka work forest for size 2
3550* Osaka size 2
3500 Alph=>Maps
3300 Kyoto builds Settlers.
3250 Osaka builds Settlers. 2nd Wheat found - this one maybe double use!
3150* Build road on Wheat for Osaka science. Build road for new city science. Kyoto PRB warrior
3100 both Osakas workers on wheat, Osaka PRB warrior.
3000 Edo founded. settler moves to other side of dateline to work wheat - Whale!. Goody.
2950* Maps=>HB (33) Satsuma founded working wheat. 4 cities by 2950 looks good.
2750* Kyoto builds Settlers. Starts Lighthouse
2700 Osaka builds Settlers. -will head toward plage to double Whale.
2550* HB=>CB. Kagoshima founded.
2400 Satsuma builds Settlers. Edo Builds Setttlers
2350 * running out of island - time for some triremes.
2300 Nara founded working Whale.
2250 Nagoya founded.
2200 Osaka builds settlers. time for a horse.
2100 CB=>Poly
2050 Izumo founded.
2000 Trireme in Kagoshima finds fish!
1950* Settlers in Satsuma - a roadbuilder and then on a trireme
1800 Happiest: Japanese. RB barracks in Osaka. First Trireme.
1750* Poly=>Writing. Unload settler to work whale on new continent? Nope it's still #20.
1700 Nagasaki founded. Naoya builds settlers.
1650 Nara builds settlers.. Pop 300,000
1400 Yokohama founded. Land Ho!
1350* Writing =>Masonry
1250 Aztec Capital moved to Teotichuan
1200 Nagasaki, Nagoya build Settlers. Shimoneseki founded on new continent (#13)
1000 Masonry=>Pots. Indians. give CB. No peace.
975* Kyoto builds Pyramids Germans: no peace. 50 gold tribute. Matsuyama founded
950 Pop 500,000. Bribe a German and an Indian warrior.
875* Germans: threat. Indians - sneak atack. Germans: 100g for peace. trade CB for Construction. They have CoL, Currency, Literacy. Bribe Indian Horse. Raze Madras.
850 Sapporo founded
825 Hakodate founded
800x Capture Bangalore. 46g. CoL. Indians: offer 200g for peace. FOOLS!. Subvert Bombay - Indians decry incident. Pottery. get 23g, settler, archer, vet phalanx, barracks. What a Deal!. Barbs soon will attack vet phalanx on river, giving leader.
775* Germans ask us to withdraw - we say OK. Barb dies on our phalanx. Research Currency. Kill Barb leader (100g)
750 Pop: 600K. Germans: War. Ise founded
725 Currency=>Trade
675*Indians destroyed.
650 Pop 800k. Leipzig captured. 24 gp, Literacy. Cease-fire.
575*pop 900k Germans: War. find Berlin. Find Canton.
525 Chinese: give Literacy. Ceasefire.
500 Berlin captured. 60gp. Trade. Germans destroyed.
475 *researching Seafaring Chinese start GL
450 Carthage starts HG
425 Seafaring=>IronW
350 Marco Polo finished in Kyoto. Aztecs start HG
MPE investigation:
Celts (despots) Myst, Wheel, 1 city
Aztecs (despots) Math, 3 cities
Carthaginians Myst, 6 cities - researching Engineering for us
Chinese 4 cities no tech
Japanese: 22 cities - only white tech is Poly.
take a break and figure out how to get the AI to research stuff for me. I can get to Leos faster than they, but it may not get that far - vet Elephantsrule! Plan: Build Lighthouse in 3 turns and then boogie. Take out Chinese in standard fashion (raze capital, bribe remaining cities for peanuts) - need 3 dips. A trade carvan is heading to China. Maybe take that stupid ship chain and move it ti Chinese coast. Somebody is east of me.
Celts: give Maps. Trade Constr and Lit for Wheel. Myst. Trade Maps!.
Aztecs: give Lit, Trade, Constr for Mathematics, peace. No maps, no tribute
Chinese: give trade, constr. peace. no tribute
325 Aztecs- give wheel, no joy. Chinese, no joy. Celts - give WC, elephant. No tribute.
275* find Aztec explorer
250 Osaka builds Lighthouse.
225 Carthage develop engineering. Carthage: trade Maps for Engineering. give Literacy; worshipful. ask for tribute - WAR. Feels like MGE
200 Izumo hides to Osksa (d, 40) (Osaka is size 8) Nagasaki Beads to Bombay (d, 96)
175* Aztecs: trade maps. Now we have found everybody.
150 Teotichuan builds HG. Next victim.
125 Carthage builds Colossus. Barbs kill a ship near China. Matsuyama Wool to Carthage (d, 56)
100 Beijing builds GL, Wealthuest: 1. Carthage 2, Chinese 3Aztecs 4Celts 5Japanese
Iron W=>Inv. Edo Silver to Canton (d, 190r)
75* Berlin Gems to Kyoto (d, 180). Subvert Nanking (99x2). Chinese: 75g tribute.
50 Kyoto Dye to Berlin (d,120) Chinese 25g
25 Yokohama Hides to Nanking (D, 88)
1AD Invention =>Bridge B (not Gunpowder yet.) Edo Dye to Leipzig (d, 60) Barb leader 100g
bought many white goods. Chinese 50g
Sun Tzu says 10=1 is good odds.
to conquer Chinese (3 cities) - need 2 dips (Ise, Shimoneseki). For Beijing I think 5 elephants should do it - I have 5 and an archer and a horse - we'll attack in 2 turns when I can get the Ellies there.
Carthage - need a bunch of Elephants and 5 dips. ( Kyoto, Nara, Carthage: 7 elephants: Izumo, Nagasaki, Satsuma, Nagiya, Omi (Osaka?) Attackin about 6 turns when Triremes get there.
Aztecs: 7 Ellies for Teotihuan (Echizen, Leipzig, Sapporo, Bombay +2 already there) and 2 dips. (Berlin, Ise, Toyama) attack when elephants arrive - 8 turns.
Celts - the last one - kill with ellies from Carthage.
set tax to 80% - Time for Total War!
20AD *
40 Chinese: war
60 Beijing taken (27g) (GL) need 285g for Canton.
80 Subvert Canton (112) (get 44g) after knocking it down a few turns. Sell granary.
100* Yokohama Beads to Canton (d,64) Yokohama copper to Canton (d, 64)
Subvert Shanghai (57 - getting 17 back) Chinese destroyed.
120 Carthage develops Alph., kills phalanx and caravan. Ship chain to carthage almost in place.
140 Ship chain to Aztecland almost in place.
160 Tenochtitlan captured (HG, 35g) Give Invention for cease-fire as we are exposed.
220 Tlateloco captured. Tenochtitlan bribed. Aztecs destroyed.
260* A desperate battle against Carthage begins. the 5th dip takes out city walls.
280 almost done.
300 Carthage captured (Colossus, 87gp) Malaca bribed.
320 Panormus bribed.
340* Utica captured
380 Kells subverted. Caralis conquered. Carthage destroyed.
400 closing in on cardiff
420 Cardiff captured. Celts destroyed.
Wonders: 120
Barbs 0
score: {Some amount or another}
Civilization Score: {something else} (an irrelevant number)
Tokugawa the Magnificent
Please don't post both your end date and score information. DoM
la fayette
King
DoM
This is especially true since his endgame seems to be one turn sooner than mine
g...
This is especially true since his endgame seems to be one turn sooner than mine
g...There was a slight difference in the calculation of whether 2nd settler pays better to work or found a city in this game - usually Irrigation does not pay in Despotism starts, and Settlers eat only one food until Republic, but here we started in Fundy so Irrigation pays better (especially those Wheats and Silk->Wheats!), while a NONE Settler saves two food rather than one.
In OCC, wait until the city grows to 2 (do some roads & irrigation meanwhile, try to speed up the growth), then Join City to 3 and start Celebrations.
In this game, I thought that starting right away using of fish was going to be good, as it leads to size 2 in 5 turns. For the second city, I don't see irrigating the wheat before founding to be a help - the city would grow to size 2 in 4 turns rather than 5, but when the first settler was built it would knock the city back to size one thus obviating any prior gains. I got to 4 cities in 2950BC, which seemed pretty good. 
Later results were less elegant... 
I think the issue in Despotism starts is always whether to use the Size One Settler strategy - it is interesting that in several of the last few GOTMs that strategy has been contra-indicated. In this one, for instance, because of getting the irrigation bonus right away, in combination with the uncertainty of finding huts,there is no way to delay the growth to size 2 unless you found the city on hills, plains (there aren't any good plains sites nearby) or forest, both of which set you too far back in getting your early cheap science advances. Of course if there were an Archer or something from a hut which could be disbanded, that would change the situation.
Later results were less elegant... I think the issue in Despotism starts is always whether to use the Size One Settler strategy - it is interesting that in several of the last few GOTMs that strategy has been contra-indicated. In this one, for instance, because of getting the irrigation bonus right away, in combination with the uncertainty of finding huts,there is no way to delay the growth to size 2 unless you found the city on hills, plains (there aren't any good plains sites nearby) or forest, both of which set you too far back in getting your early cheap science advances. Of course if there were an Archer or something from a hut which could be disbanded, that would change the situation.
la fayette
King
...but if you refer to my mental age, it would sure be square root
la fayette
King
Yes, indeed (and 64 is my age)
...but I guess my mental age is close to 4*4=16
(why should I play civ2 so much otherwise?
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