Gotm 31 spoiler
- Thread starter Jayne
- Start date
la fayette
King
Originally posted by Jayne
I got my best spaceship finish.
alexxx
Chieftain
Well, it's my first time that i take part in a GOTM, and i think i was lucky to start with this one. I'm not finished yet and maybe things get worse, but playing as king, isn't really hard, is it?
I hope I haven't done anything wrong so far, i mean break the rules or something, and we will see when everybody is finished.
As this is my first post in this forum, I want to say hello to everybody, respect, and I really love CIVII the same as you do.
Good Luck building your empires
I hope I haven't done anything wrong so far, i mean break the rules or something, and we will see when everybody is finished.
As this is my first post in this forum, I want to say hello to everybody, respect, and I really love CIVII the same as you do.
Good Luck building your empires
la fayette
King
Welcome Alexxx
and good luck with building YOUR empire.
Mine is running smoothly at the moment. I even managed 2techs/turn several turns before Automobile. But I have a feeling that the early game went slowly (the AI civs were so weak that they couldn't help my research at all, before I started massive tech gifting to the Mongols).
Hope to land before xxxAD
and good luck with building YOUR empire.
Mine is running smoothly at the moment. I even managed 2techs/turn several turns before Automobile. But I have a feeling that the early game went slowly (the AI civs were so weak that they couldn't help my research at all, before I started massive tech gifting to the Mongols).
Hope to land before xxxAD
Marlos
Christian Soldier
Originally posted by Jayne
DoM, When you said 'flat map', you really meant it didn't you!!!!
I just finished. I really enjoyed that game. I think the map suited my playing style, and I got my best spaceship finish.
Flat? As in a lack of impregnable defensive positions? As in a lack of places where troops can congregate? 
Jayne, you're finished?
Whatever will you do for the rest of the month?Lee2003
Chieftain
My start was slow i think, and i kind of still not good at doing the Super Science City thing, i made my Capital to be the SSC and it only produce less than 200 beakers 
Anyone out there can teach me the correct way? Using this GOTM it will be easier to me to learn. I am getting like 5 turns research which is not good enough, i am still the most advance and will win the game but my spaceship will be launch late The whole game i lost 2 cities, haven't finish the game so maybe more (cause the Mongols is the one who keep pouding my cities with crusiers and iron clad) 1 city lost to babarians 
D accidentally), 1 to mongols after they sacrified like 20 ships and 10+ units
First time playing King so i guess it is not too bad afterall.
Anyone out there can teach me the correct way? Using this GOTM it will be easier to me to learn. I am getting like 5 turns research which is not good enough, i am still the most advance and will win the game but my spaceship will be launch late The whole game i lost 2 cities, haven't finish the game so maybe more (cause the Mongols is the one who keep pouding my cities with crusiers and iron clad) 1 city lost to babarians D accidentally), 1 to mongols after they sacrified like 20 ships and 10+ units First time playing King so i guess it is not too bad afterall.
alexxx
Chieftain
Hi Lee2003
Well, for me it was a great help to play a OneCityChallenge, with the help of the documents provided somewhere in the forum.
Yeah, that was a cool experience which made my understanding of CIVII even more deeper.
Well as I read your postings about GOTM31, I'm really not so sure, if i will find myself in the HOF at the end, but anyway, it was, and in my case, is great fun playing it.
Well, for me it was a great help to play a OneCityChallenge, with the help of the documents provided somewhere in the forum.
Yeah, that was a cool experience which made my understanding of CIVII even more deeper.
Well as I read your postings about GOTM31, I'm really not so sure, if i will find myself in the HOF at the end, but anyway, it was, and in my case, is great fun playing it.
Originally posted by Marlos
Yep! Apart from the fact you can't cross the date-line, I don't remember encountering one hill or mountain!
Jayne, you're finished?
Yes - finished already! It took 3 or 4 days of playing - but I get lot's of time to play as I'm at home all day looking after my daughter.
As for the rest of the month, there's the Civ II demogame and succession game here, plus Alpha Centuri PBEM and 2 demogames at Gamecatcher.
Marlos
Christian Soldier
Originally posted by Jayne
As for the rest of the month, there's the Civ II demogame and succession game here, plus Alpha Centuri PBEM and 2 demogames at Gamecatcher.
Ahhh, the life of an active civver.
Lee2003
Chieftain
I not sure what i did wrong with the SSC. I got all the wonders that is needed. I have colossus, the wonder comes with astronomy(i forgot the name), the newton university. All the required wonders for SSC i had it, of course the later one i don't have it yet because i don't have the technology yet. I have library and university built as well. i think i made one trade route only, 2 more to go but i guess that would not be too much difference right? i mean i read some one doing it like close to 800 beakers
golem
Warlord
You have to have three good trade routes, all terrain around city with roads or railways or sea and of course large city. If you have democracy, SCC usually celebrates automatically due to a lot of beakers - you should have city size around 30 - than you can receive even more than 1000 beakers in the the one city - for OCC it is neccessary.
Marlos
Christian Soldier
Lee, if you would like to read a good discussion about the Super Science City (SSC), follow this link:
click here
Hope that this helps!
click here
Hope that this helps!
Old n Slow
Emperor
Well, I've started, and am trying not to play too carelessly. I'm at 300 AD, have a half dozen wonders, 30+ techs and about ten cities -- feeling a bit pinched in that I want more of everything.
Very nice to start quietly in the corner -- the first few huts yielded two archers, a barb & 100 coins -- overall, rather nice.
Haven't decided if I should acquire some pre-built cites early or not.
Very nice to start quietly in the corner -- the first few huts yielded two archers, a barb & 100 coins -- overall, rather nice.
Haven't decided if I should acquire some pre-built cites early or not.
I started out thinking of conquering the world, which is the biggest challenge. I then found out that I was doing very well with the wonders, so I tried the challenge of building them all. There were some early close calls, but I got them all.
In the end, I had only the carthagenians to finish off, but they were spread out, and not easy to finish off since they stayed in democracy for the remainder of the game. I got tired of it, and built a spaceship and a big empire.
In the end, I had only the carthagenians to finish off, but they were spread out, and not easy to finish off since they stayed in democracy for the remainder of the game. I got tired of it, and built a spaceship and a big empire.
(my abbreviated log to 1AD)
GOTM31: Another Flat One
Xerxes of Persians: Cyan=#5
King level=3 content, turn lengths change after 1000AD
2 settlers (odd: small island or near neighbor?)
got Alph,given Nav (few islands?); Scenario=no tech hiding
flat map, 60x150 (tall)
continent #42, southwest corner
2 Huts: (7,129) and (13,131)= Seed 25 (HutFinder)
draw on MapEdit: hidden special (9,129), 4x to west
Other Civs:1=Russian,2=Babylon,3=French,4=Spanish,(5=Persian)
Restarts ON
Barbs=Raging Hordes
Plan: One City Challenge, go hut-hunting while moving to 4xSpecial spot
3950BC- Hut: Archer(NONE)
...Hut: Horse(NONE)
3800BC- Hut: POTTERY (sigh)
3750BC- start mining hidden special
3700BC- Hut: Archer(NONE)
3600BC- PERSEPOLIS founded; start Caravel
start Writing
3300BC- Silk revealed!
3250BC- Road the Silk; island perimeter completed
3050BC- PERS size 2; Roading all grass tiles
3000BC- Caravel done; start Granary for Library
...Caravel goes north (with Horse), reveals 3rd Whale
2900BC- WRITING; start CodeLaws
2850BC- switch to Library
2700BC- combine Settler to PERS sz 3
...Hut(9,97): 50g
2600BC- Library done
2550BC- Hut: Pasar...,no wait (x4): HORSE (supported)
(so no one lives around here either...)
2400BC- 1st Diplomat
CODE LAWS; start Literacy (early?)
2300BC- Hut: Horse(NONE) ah - someone nearby!
(return to get Dip or make contact first?)
2250BC- Hut: AT, no: Horde (1) Barb Horse
Barb Horse kills mine...
2200BC- Hut: Archer(NONE) so where is the civ?
2nd Dip
2150BC- start HangGdns
2050BC- PERS size 4,chg 4th citizen to Silk:
2000BC- LITERACY; start Republic
1900BC- whahoo: a Road (and a hut...)
...Hut: 50g
1850BC-
...Madrid(5-no flag?): Neut Spanish: 2Sp, exch Horse? no, peace? no,
100g for peace? YES, still Neut, end
Persia is Weak=#3:French
Wait a minute, it says QUEEN Isabella!
1800BC- Madrid still defenseless: SOO TEMPTING!!!
...Spanish settler Roading east of Madrid
(need those Dips now...)
1750BC- Pwr now Inadeq=#2 Babs
...Hut: Pasarga, no: Pasarga, no: Pasarga, no: Archer(NONE)
1650BC- Hut: 25g
1600BC- REPUBLIC; start Bronze (delay revolt)
1550BC- (just passed halfway on HG)
1500BC- Cordial Span: 0Sp,dem Rep to Enthus,ally?YES, gift? sorry
REVOLT - REPUBLIC! T20S80!
1450BC- Hut(40,140): Pasarga, again, and again, and: Horde Barb (1 Horse)
...Horse kills Barb, vet, deep red
1300BC- BRONZE; start Currency
1250BC- (just noticed: Spanish in Republic...)
...(hmmm: Colossus or HangGdns? HG nice, but COL necessary: switch)
1150BC- (reconsider: HG get big fast; COL +4Tr: switch again)
...chg T0S60L40 for WL!
WLTCD in PERS!
1100BC- ship back; drop Archers, pick up Dips
1050BC- PERS sz 5, extra red, chg T0S50L50 plus Elvis
POP>200K
1000BC- PERS sz 6, extra red, chg T20S50L30, wait for HG
WLTCD cancelled (oops)
HANGING GARDENS IN PERS!
CURRENCY; start Trade!
975BC- Hut: Pasarga, retry: Archer(NONE) (ships too full, maroon)
...chg T0S40L60 to squeeze another WLTCD
WLTCD!
950BC- PRB 2&3r for Settler
Settler
925BC- PERS still sz 6
...Settler irrigating G-S
Spanish dev Bronze (too bad)
900BC- PERS sz 7, chg T10S80L10
WLTCD cancelled
875BC- Dip makes embassy with Spanish: they have Horse and Mon, res Wheel
(no contacts with others noted)
3rd Dip
825BC- Hut: 50g
TRADE; start CerBur
800BC- chg production to Caravans!
1st caravan: Dye
775BC- Babylon starts Colossus!
750BC- Bead caravan
725BC- met a Mongol ship east of Madrid: run away!
...Horse ashore meets Mongol Settler: Neut King Mongol: 6Sp!
...exch Rep for CER-BUR, Alph for MYST (also had Horse,Mon,Wheel)
...peace?no(Senate supports "action"), warning, Cordial
...offer peace: OK, offer ally: YES; gift? 200g!!! (Enthus)
start Philosophy!
700BC- Dip embassy Mongols: Monarchy, WAR Russians, got 4 cities, 9 techs,res WarCode
(so the Russians are around here somewhere, but no more Dips)
Mongol govmt othro
Salt caravan
675BC- (hmmm: where is Karakorum?)
Mongol govmt Republic
French start Pyramids
PHILOSOPHY; freebie MEDICINE; start Maps
650BC-
Food caravan
625BC- found Russian Phalanx: Neut King Russian: 3Sp, exch Rep for MAPMAKING (got Mon & WarCode),break alliance?no,peace anyway, gift Myst,Pot,Philos,Cur to Worship,share maps!
(Rus have 3 cities 4/4/3, 2 settlers, no guards out)
(hmmm: MarcoPolo now, or Shakes in 4 turns? still need Cst and San...)
...start MarcoPolo, 4 caravans
...Enthus Mongol: 6Sp,dem Maps to Worship,help?,sh maps,goodbye
(Mongol cities 6/5/4/2/1, 2 settlers)
...Enthus Spanish: 1Sp, gift Maps to Worship,sh maps,goodbye
(Spanish still 1 city, sz 6, 2 settlers)
MARCO POLO IN PERS!
start Seafaring
600BC-
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MARCO POLO MANIPULATION:
Rus (3Sp)Mon,Enthus,3 cities,13 techs,res Horse,war Mongols
Bab (4?)Rep,Icy,3 cities,10 techs,res Mas,no contact
Fre (5?)Rep,Uncoop,4 cities,10 techs,res CerBur,no contact
Spa (1Sp)Rep,Enthus,1 city,7 techs,res Whe,no contact
Car (0?)Mon,Icy,1 city,6 techs,res Bro,no contact
Mon (6Sp)Rep,Enthus,5 cities,10 techs,res WarCode,war Russians
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Enth Russ got Alp,Bro,Cer,Cur,Map,MON,Mys,Nav,Phi,Pot,Rep,WAR,Wri(Hor)
Icy Babyl got Alp,Bro,Cer,Cur,HOR,Map,Nav,Pot,Rep,Wri(res Mas)
Unc Frenc got Alp,CoL,Map,MAS,MAT,Nav,Pot,Rep,SEA,Wri(res Cer)
Enth Span got Bro,HOR,Map,MON,Nav,Pot,Rep(res Whe)
*Pers got Alp,Bro,Cer,CoL,Cur,Lit,Map,Med,Mys,Nav,Phi,Pot,Rep,Tra,Wri
Icy Carth got Alp,Cer,HOR,MON,Mys,Nav(res Bro)
Enth Mong got Alp,Bro,Cer,HOR,Map,MON,Mys,Nav,Rep,WHE(res War)
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WANT: SEA(Fr),MAS(Fr,for Cst),MAT(Fr,for Ast),WHE(Mo,for Eng)
Dont have much gold, need to get Colossus first, so postpone Ast,Eng
Also gift all but MED to French...
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...Uncoop French: 5Sp,exch Tra for SEA,Phi for MAS,Lit for MAT,
dem Cer,peace?no-overruled by Senate,Recep,gift Bro,Cer,Cur to Worsh,
ask ally?YES,gift?150g!,goodbye
(I got a little greedy there... and FORGOT TO SHARE MAPS!)
(At least I narrowed the tech gap to 2...Med & Myst)
(Changed their research too: hope its not Ast...)
...Icy Babylon: 3Sp,dem Tra to Uncoop,peace?no-overruled by Senate,
gift Phi,Mas(preserve research) to Worship,ask ally?YES,gift?50g,bye
(Hmmm: alliances and gifts end talk before map sharing)
...Icy Carth: 0Sp,dem Map,peace?no-overruled by Senate,Neut,gift Bro
(preserve research),Rep,Phi to Worship,ask ally?YES,gift?sympathy,bye
(I think that gift did not work because I am 2Sp)
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SO: Got SEA(preserves research),MAS(start Cst next),and MATH(just in
case French start Ast & refuse trade),200g, 3 more Alliances, and
narrowed my KeyCiv tech gap to 2. Not bad. No more maps, though.
Oh, and all civs are now Enthusiastic.
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Next Steps: Start Cst, get maps next turn, make 4 Caravans for
Colossus, build Temple, Marketplace,Aquaduct,then 6 Caravans for
Shakes, milk alliances while small, watch French carefully for
work on Ast/Copes; shift Science to Taxes? no, milk gifts
(Spanish ally 1500BC (1Sp), Mongol ally 725BC (too soon?))
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start Construction(vs Ast,Bank,Phys,or Univ!)
575BC-
...(Babs started CoL): Enthus Bab (3Sp),sh maps,goodbye
Babs on #31 north of Rus(#41), 5/4/2, 1 Settler, 1 Horse exploring
(...Fren started Univ!): Enthus Fre (5Sp),sh maps,goodbye
French on #30 northeast of Babs, 6/5/2/2, 1 Settler, 1 Horse explore
...(Carth started Wheel): Enthus Carth (0Sp),sh maps,goodbye
Carth on #14 way north of Babs, NO work or explore outside orig city!
Carth 0Sp, Span 1Sp, (Pers 2Sp), Bab 3Sp, Rus 4Sp, Fre 5Sp, Mong 6Sp
(Well, time to come back and make some TRs)
Rus govmt othro
Dye caravan
550BC-
Rus govmt Republic
Rus get Horse fr Mongol for Philos, peace treaty
525BC-
...Hut: Pasarga (retry) Pasarga (retry) Chariot(NONE)
...Enthus French: 5Sp,gift Myst to Worship,goodbye; res still 324b
...Enthus Babylon: 3Sp,gift Sea(vs Lit) to Worship,goodbye (res CoL)
Mongols start Colossus
Herodotus MOST PWRFUL: 1-Mong,2-Pers,3-Rus,4-Fre,5-Bab,6-Spa,7-Carth
Beads caravan
475BC- Enthus Span: 1Sp,sh maps,goodbye
...Enthus Carth: 0Sp,sh maps,goodbye (they STILL havent moved out!)
...Enthus Bab: 3Sp,gift CodeLaws(pres res),goodbye
Carth govmt othro (finally)
Salt caravan
450BC- Carth govmt Republic (on Oedo too!)
Spanish peace treaty with Russians
425BC- Hut: Pasarga/Pasarga/Pasarga/Pasarga/Pasarga/Archer(NONE)
Food caravan
400BC- start Colossus,4 caravans
Mongols dev WarCode
French dev University! abandon Pyramids
Spanish dev Wheel
COLOSSUS! Babs abandon, Mongols switch to Magellan
CONSTRUCTION; start Astronomy
375BC-
...Enthus Bab: 3Sp,gift Cst(pres res),goodbye
...Cordial Mongol: 6Sp,exch Cst for WHEEL,Enthus,gift? 75g,goodbye
...Enthus Carth: 0Sp,gift Whe(pres res),goodbye
Babs start Pyramids
350BC-
...(oops: had T10S70L20?) chg T10S80L10 15t@39b/560b (#20!)
...Enthus Bab: 3Sp,gift Lit(pres res) to Worship,goodbye
...Enthus Fre: 5Sp,exch Cst for UNIVERSITY, Worsh,gift? 25g,goodbye
...Worsh Span: 1Sp,gift Cst,goodbye (res CerBur)
...load marooned Archer for return
Dye caravan
325BC-
...Hut: ENGINEERING (DONT NEED THAT YET!!!); res now 17t/660b
...Enthus French: 5Sp,gift Wheel to Worship,goodbye
...res now 16t/616b!
...Enthus Span: 1Sp,sh maps,goodbye
...Recep Russ: 4Sp,dem Cst to Cordial,gift Wheel to Worship,
ask ally?YES,gift? 50g,goodbye
ALL ARE ALLIED NOW!
...Cordial Mongol: 6Sp,gift Eng to Worship,goodbye
300BC- Cord Mongol: 6Sp,gift?150g!,goodbye
Babs dev Monarchy
Bead caravan
275BC- ship unloads Archer,Chariot,Horse,load Dip & Caravan
...Enthus French: 5Sp,gift Eng to Worship,goodbye
Rus res Iron,Bab Phys,French Ast(uhoh),Span CerBur,Carth & Mong PT
...Worsh Span: 1Sp,gift Myst,goodbye
250BC- 2nd caravan loads, off for trade!
...Enthus Bab: 3Sp,gift?25g,goodbye
...RB University 300g
...Enthus Rus: 4Sp,gift?sympathize,goodbye (8 turn rule?)
University in PERS
225BC-
...Enthus Bab: 3Sp,gift Univ to Worsh,goodbye
...Enthus Span: 2Sp,gift? 50g(miser),goodbye
...Enthus Fren: 5Sp,gift?25g,goodbye
...Recep Mong: 6Sp,gift Univ to Cord,goodbye
200BC-
...Enthus Span: 1Sp,gift Eng,goodbye
...Enthus Bab: 3Sp,gift? 50g,goodbye
Temple in PERS
175BC-
...Enthus Span: 2Sp,gift?50g
...Enthus Bab: 3Sp,gift Whe to Worsh,goodbye
...res now 12t
...fortified Archer at crossroads of Span,Rus,Mong civs
150BC-
...Enthus Span: 1Sp,gift Phil,goodbye
...Recep Mong: 6Sp,gift Pott to Cordial,gift? 100g!,goodbye
Salt caravan
125BC-
...Enthus Span: 1Sp,gift CerBur(finally!),goodbye
...Enthus Fren: 5Sp,gift? 100g!,goodbye
POP>300K
100BC-
...PERS size 8
...Cordial Rus: 3Sp,gift?25g(miser),goodbye
...Enthus Bab: 4Sp,gift Myst,goodbye
...Dye to Madrid(8/Dye/Silk/Hide): 292g/b,+6!
(Mad now Silk/Hide/Gems)
...Recep Mong: 6Sp,gift Math to Cordial,goodbye
Mongol Chariot contacts Archer (sh maps),heads north
French start Pyramids
Food caravan
ASTRONOMY; start Sanitation (vs ToG,Bank,Chem,Inv,Phys)
75BC-
Carth govmt othro
50BC-
Carth govmt Monarchy (failed Rep?)
2nd Food
25BC-
Russians dev Iron!
1AD-
got 1 city, size 8, doing 43 Trade & 68 Sci
got Hanging Gardens,Colossus,Marco Polo, about to get Copernicus
got 23 techs, including Medicine, Astronomy, University (res: San)
got 6 Archers, 2 Horse, 1 Chariot (all NONE), and 1 Settler, 1 Caravel
got alliances with ALL other civs: Cordial,Enthusiastic,Worshipful
Next Steps:
finish Copernicus, then Shakes, then max city!
GOTM31: Another Flat One
Xerxes of Persians: Cyan=#5
King level=3 content, turn lengths change after 1000AD
2 settlers (odd: small island or near neighbor?)
got Alph,given Nav (few islands?); Scenario=no tech hiding
flat map, 60x150 (tall)
continent #42, southwest corner
2 Huts: (7,129) and (13,131)= Seed 25 (HutFinder)
draw on MapEdit: hidden special (9,129), 4x to west
Other Civs:1=Russian,2=Babylon,3=French,4=Spanish,(5=Persian)
Restarts ON
Barbs=Raging Hordes
Plan: One City Challenge, go hut-hunting while moving to 4xSpecial spot
3950BC- Hut: Archer(NONE)
...Hut: Horse(NONE)
3800BC- Hut: POTTERY (sigh)
3750BC- start mining hidden special
3700BC- Hut: Archer(NONE)
3600BC- PERSEPOLIS founded; start Caravel
start Writing
3300BC- Silk revealed!
3250BC- Road the Silk; island perimeter completed
3050BC- PERS size 2; Roading all grass tiles
3000BC- Caravel done; start Granary for Library
...Caravel goes north (with Horse), reveals 3rd Whale
2900BC- WRITING; start CodeLaws
2850BC- switch to Library
2700BC- combine Settler to PERS sz 3
...Hut(9,97): 50g
2600BC- Library done
2550BC- Hut: Pasar...,no wait (x4): HORSE (supported)
(so no one lives around here either...)
2400BC- 1st Diplomat
CODE LAWS; start Literacy (early?)
2300BC- Hut: Horse(NONE) ah - someone nearby!
(return to get Dip or make contact first?)
2250BC- Hut: AT, no: Horde (1) Barb Horse
Barb Horse kills mine...
2200BC- Hut: Archer(NONE) so where is the civ?
2nd Dip
2150BC- start HangGdns
2050BC- PERS size 4,chg 4th citizen to Silk:
2000BC- LITERACY; start Republic
1900BC- whahoo: a Road (and a hut...)
...Hut: 50g
1850BC-
...Madrid(5-no flag?): Neut Spanish: 2Sp, exch Horse? no, peace? no,
100g for peace? YES, still Neut, end
Persia is Weak=#3:French
Wait a minute, it says QUEEN Isabella!
1800BC- Madrid still defenseless: SOO TEMPTING!!!
...Spanish settler Roading east of Madrid
(need those Dips now...)
1750BC- Pwr now Inadeq=#2 Babs
...Hut: Pasarga, no: Pasarga, no: Pasarga, no: Archer(NONE)
1650BC- Hut: 25g
1600BC- REPUBLIC; start Bronze (delay revolt)
1550BC- (just passed halfway on HG)
1500BC- Cordial Span: 0Sp,dem Rep to Enthus,ally?YES, gift? sorry
REVOLT - REPUBLIC! T20S80!
1450BC- Hut(40,140): Pasarga, again, and again, and: Horde Barb (1 Horse)
...Horse kills Barb, vet, deep red
1300BC- BRONZE; start Currency
1250BC- (just noticed: Spanish in Republic...)
...(hmmm: Colossus or HangGdns? HG nice, but COL necessary: switch)
1150BC- (reconsider: HG get big fast; COL +4Tr: switch again)
...chg T0S60L40 for WL!
WLTCD in PERS!
1100BC- ship back; drop Archers, pick up Dips
1050BC- PERS sz 5, extra red, chg T0S50L50 plus Elvis
POP>200K
1000BC- PERS sz 6, extra red, chg T20S50L30, wait for HG
WLTCD cancelled (oops)
HANGING GARDENS IN PERS!
CURRENCY; start Trade!
975BC- Hut: Pasarga, retry: Archer(NONE) (ships too full, maroon)
...chg T0S40L60 to squeeze another WLTCD
WLTCD!
950BC- PRB 2&3r for Settler
Settler
925BC- PERS still sz 6
...Settler irrigating G-S
Spanish dev Bronze (too bad)
900BC- PERS sz 7, chg T10S80L10
WLTCD cancelled
875BC- Dip makes embassy with Spanish: they have Horse and Mon, res Wheel
(no contacts with others noted)
3rd Dip
825BC- Hut: 50g
TRADE; start CerBur
800BC- chg production to Caravans!
1st caravan: Dye
775BC- Babylon starts Colossus!
750BC- Bead caravan
725BC- met a Mongol ship east of Madrid: run away!
...Horse ashore meets Mongol Settler: Neut King Mongol: 6Sp!
...exch Rep for CER-BUR, Alph for MYST (also had Horse,Mon,Wheel)
...peace?no(Senate supports "action"), warning, Cordial
...offer peace: OK, offer ally: YES; gift? 200g!!! (Enthus)
start Philosophy!
700BC- Dip embassy Mongols: Monarchy, WAR Russians, got 4 cities, 9 techs,res WarCode
(so the Russians are around here somewhere, but no more Dips)
Mongol govmt othro
Salt caravan
675BC- (hmmm: where is Karakorum?)
Mongol govmt Republic
French start Pyramids
PHILOSOPHY; freebie MEDICINE; start Maps
650BC-
Food caravan
625BC- found Russian Phalanx: Neut King Russian: 3Sp, exch Rep for MAPMAKING (got Mon & WarCode),break alliance?no,peace anyway, gift Myst,Pot,Philos,Cur to Worship,share maps!
(Rus have 3 cities 4/4/3, 2 settlers, no guards out)
(hmmm: MarcoPolo now, or Shakes in 4 turns? still need Cst and San...)
...start MarcoPolo, 4 caravans
...Enthus Mongol: 6Sp,dem Maps to Worship,help?,sh maps,goodbye
(Mongol cities 6/5/4/2/1, 2 settlers)
...Enthus Spanish: 1Sp, gift Maps to Worship,sh maps,goodbye
(Spanish still 1 city, sz 6, 2 settlers)
MARCO POLO IN PERS!
start Seafaring
600BC-
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MARCO POLO MANIPULATION:
Rus (3Sp)Mon,Enthus,3 cities,13 techs,res Horse,war Mongols
Bab (4?)Rep,Icy,3 cities,10 techs,res Mas,no contact
Fre (5?)Rep,Uncoop,4 cities,10 techs,res CerBur,no contact
Spa (1Sp)Rep,Enthus,1 city,7 techs,res Whe,no contact
Car (0?)Mon,Icy,1 city,6 techs,res Bro,no contact
Mon (6Sp)Rep,Enthus,5 cities,10 techs,res WarCode,war Russians
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Enth Russ got Alp,Bro,Cer,Cur,Map,MON,Mys,Nav,Phi,Pot,Rep,WAR,Wri(Hor)
Icy Babyl got Alp,Bro,Cer,Cur,HOR,Map,Nav,Pot,Rep,Wri(res Mas)
Unc Frenc got Alp,CoL,Map,MAS,MAT,Nav,Pot,Rep,SEA,Wri(res Cer)
Enth Span got Bro,HOR,Map,MON,Nav,Pot,Rep(res Whe)
*Pers got Alp,Bro,Cer,CoL,Cur,Lit,Map,Med,Mys,Nav,Phi,Pot,Rep,Tra,Wri
Icy Carth got Alp,Cer,HOR,MON,Mys,Nav(res Bro)
Enth Mong got Alp,Bro,Cer,HOR,Map,MON,Mys,Nav,Rep,WHE(res War)
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WANT: SEA(Fr),MAS(Fr,for Cst),MAT(Fr,for Ast),WHE(Mo,for Eng)
Dont have much gold, need to get Colossus first, so postpone Ast,Eng
Also gift all but MED to French...
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...Uncoop French: 5Sp,exch Tra for SEA,Phi for MAS,Lit for MAT,
dem Cer,peace?no-overruled by Senate,Recep,gift Bro,Cer,Cur to Worsh,
ask ally?YES,gift?150g!,goodbye
(I got a little greedy there... and FORGOT TO SHARE MAPS!)
(At least I narrowed the tech gap to 2...Med & Myst)
(Changed their research too: hope its not Ast...)
...Icy Babylon: 3Sp,dem Tra to Uncoop,peace?no-overruled by Senate,
gift Phi,Mas(preserve research) to Worship,ask ally?YES,gift?50g,bye
(Hmmm: alliances and gifts end talk before map sharing)
...Icy Carth: 0Sp,dem Map,peace?no-overruled by Senate,Neut,gift Bro
(preserve research),Rep,Phi to Worship,ask ally?YES,gift?sympathy,bye
(I think that gift did not work because I am 2Sp)
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SO: Got SEA(preserves research),MAS(start Cst next),and MATH(just in
case French start Ast & refuse trade),200g, 3 more Alliances, and
narrowed my KeyCiv tech gap to 2. Not bad. No more maps, though.
Oh, and all civs are now Enthusiastic.
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Next Steps: Start Cst, get maps next turn, make 4 Caravans for
Colossus, build Temple, Marketplace,Aquaduct,then 6 Caravans for
Shakes, milk alliances while small, watch French carefully for
work on Ast/Copes; shift Science to Taxes? no, milk gifts
(Spanish ally 1500BC (1Sp), Mongol ally 725BC (too soon?))
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start Construction(vs Ast,Bank,Phys,or Univ!)
575BC-
...(Babs started CoL): Enthus Bab (3Sp),sh maps,goodbye
Babs on #31 north of Rus(#41), 5/4/2, 1 Settler, 1 Horse exploring
(...Fren started Univ!): Enthus Fre (5Sp),sh maps,goodbye
French on #30 northeast of Babs, 6/5/2/2, 1 Settler, 1 Horse explore
...(Carth started Wheel): Enthus Carth (0Sp),sh maps,goodbye
Carth on #14 way north of Babs, NO work or explore outside orig city!
Carth 0Sp, Span 1Sp, (Pers 2Sp), Bab 3Sp, Rus 4Sp, Fre 5Sp, Mong 6Sp
(Well, time to come back and make some TRs)
Rus govmt othro
Dye caravan
550BC-
Rus govmt Republic
Rus get Horse fr Mongol for Philos, peace treaty
525BC-
...Hut: Pasarga (retry) Pasarga (retry) Chariot(NONE)
...Enthus French: 5Sp,gift Myst to Worship,goodbye; res still 324b
...Enthus Babylon: 3Sp,gift Sea(vs Lit) to Worship,goodbye (res CoL)
Mongols start Colossus
Herodotus MOST PWRFUL: 1-Mong,2-Pers,3-Rus,4-Fre,5-Bab,6-Spa,7-Carth
Beads caravan
475BC- Enthus Span: 1Sp,sh maps,goodbye
...Enthus Carth: 0Sp,sh maps,goodbye (they STILL havent moved out!)
...Enthus Bab: 3Sp,gift CodeLaws(pres res),goodbye
Carth govmt othro (finally)
Salt caravan
450BC- Carth govmt Republic (on Oedo too!)
Spanish peace treaty with Russians
425BC- Hut: Pasarga/Pasarga/Pasarga/Pasarga/Pasarga/Archer(NONE)
Food caravan
400BC- start Colossus,4 caravans
Mongols dev WarCode
French dev University! abandon Pyramids
Spanish dev Wheel
COLOSSUS! Babs abandon, Mongols switch to Magellan
CONSTRUCTION; start Astronomy
375BC-
...Enthus Bab: 3Sp,gift Cst(pres res),goodbye
...Cordial Mongol: 6Sp,exch Cst for WHEEL,Enthus,gift? 75g,goodbye
...Enthus Carth: 0Sp,gift Whe(pres res),goodbye
Babs start Pyramids
350BC-
...(oops: had T10S70L20?) chg T10S80L10 15t@39b/560b (#20!)
...Enthus Bab: 3Sp,gift Lit(pres res) to Worship,goodbye
...Enthus Fre: 5Sp,exch Cst for UNIVERSITY, Worsh,gift? 25g,goodbye
...Worsh Span: 1Sp,gift Cst,goodbye (res CerBur)
...load marooned Archer for return
Dye caravan
325BC-
...Hut: ENGINEERING (DONT NEED THAT YET!!!); res now 17t/660b
...Enthus French: 5Sp,gift Wheel to Worship,goodbye
...res now 16t/616b!
...Enthus Span: 1Sp,sh maps,goodbye
...Recep Russ: 4Sp,dem Cst to Cordial,gift Wheel to Worship,
ask ally?YES,gift? 50g,goodbye
ALL ARE ALLIED NOW!
...Cordial Mongol: 6Sp,gift Eng to Worship,goodbye
300BC- Cord Mongol: 6Sp,gift?150g!,goodbye
Babs dev Monarchy
Bead caravan
275BC- ship unloads Archer,Chariot,Horse,load Dip & Caravan
...Enthus French: 5Sp,gift Eng to Worship,goodbye
Rus res Iron,Bab Phys,French Ast(uhoh),Span CerBur,Carth & Mong PT
...Worsh Span: 1Sp,gift Myst,goodbye
250BC- 2nd caravan loads, off for trade!
...Enthus Bab: 3Sp,gift?25g,goodbye
...RB University 300g
...Enthus Rus: 4Sp,gift?sympathize,goodbye (8 turn rule?)
University in PERS
225BC-
...Enthus Bab: 3Sp,gift Univ to Worsh,goodbye
...Enthus Span: 2Sp,gift? 50g(miser),goodbye
...Enthus Fren: 5Sp,gift?25g,goodbye
...Recep Mong: 6Sp,gift Univ to Cord,goodbye
200BC-
...Enthus Span: 1Sp,gift Eng,goodbye
...Enthus Bab: 3Sp,gift? 50g,goodbye
Temple in PERS
175BC-
...Enthus Span: 2Sp,gift?50g
...Enthus Bab: 3Sp,gift Whe to Worsh,goodbye
...res now 12t
...fortified Archer at crossroads of Span,Rus,Mong civs
150BC-
...Enthus Span: 1Sp,gift Phil,goodbye
...Recep Mong: 6Sp,gift Pott to Cordial,gift? 100g!,goodbye
Salt caravan
125BC-
...Enthus Span: 1Sp,gift CerBur(finally!),goodbye
...Enthus Fren: 5Sp,gift? 100g!,goodbye
POP>300K
100BC-
...PERS size 8
...Cordial Rus: 3Sp,gift?25g(miser),goodbye
...Enthus Bab: 4Sp,gift Myst,goodbye
...Dye to Madrid(8/Dye/Silk/Hide): 292g/b,+6!
(Mad now Silk/Hide/Gems)
...Recep Mong: 6Sp,gift Math to Cordial,goodbye
Mongol Chariot contacts Archer (sh maps),heads north
French start Pyramids
Food caravan
ASTRONOMY; start Sanitation (vs ToG,Bank,Chem,Inv,Phys)
75BC-
Carth govmt othro
50BC-
Carth govmt Monarchy (failed Rep?)
2nd Food
25BC-
Russians dev Iron!
1AD-
got 1 city, size 8, doing 43 Trade & 68 Sci
got Hanging Gardens,Colossus,Marco Polo, about to get Copernicus
got 23 techs, including Medicine, Astronomy, University (res: San)
got 6 Archers, 2 Horse, 1 Chariot (all NONE), and 1 Settler, 1 Caravel
got alliances with ALL other civs: Cordial,Enthusiastic,Worshipful
Next Steps:
finish Copernicus, then Shakes, then max city!
Sorry: my shorthand. Pasarga is short for the next city name on the Persian list, Pasargadae. Whenever a hut tries to create an "Advanced Tribe" (AT), it chooses the next available city name from the civ's list. In this game I am playing One City Challenge, so it is prohibited that I have a second city at any time. Whenever I enter a hut I save the game just before and reload if it is an "Advanced Tribe". I was getting very frustrated with all of the ATs because a majority of the huts were on grass, which seems to increase the likelyhood of ATs.
When I write "Mongol (6Sp)" I am referring to the left hand panel that appears at the beginning of a diplomatic exchange (F3, "Send Emissary"). This panel displays the Power Rating of the contacted civ as a number of SPears (or SPoons, depending on your video resolution) from zero to six. Zero means they are Pathetic, which also means their KeyCiv is White, while Six SPears means they are Supreme, and their KeyCiv is Purple. I track the Power Ratings because you can ask an allied civ of greater Power for gifts, while one of lesser Power will express "Sympathy" but not give anything. The Power Rating is based on number of citizens, number of Techs and amount of Gold. There is a formula for these somewhere in the War Academy. After getting Invention the panel changes to Arrows, then later to Rifles and finally to Rockets.
BTW, welcome to CFC! I hope you give the GOTM a try!
When I write "Mongol (6Sp)" I am referring to the left hand panel that appears at the beginning of a diplomatic exchange (F3, "Send Emissary"). This panel displays the Power Rating of the contacted civ as a number of SPears (or SPoons, depending on your video resolution) from zero to six. Zero means they are Pathetic, which also means their KeyCiv is White, while Six SPears means they are Supreme, and their KeyCiv is Purple. I track the Power Ratings because you can ask an allied civ of greater Power for gifts, while one of lesser Power will express "Sympathy" but not give anything. The Power Rating is based on number of citizens, number of Techs and amount of Gold. There is a formula for these somewhere in the War Academy. After getting Invention the panel changes to Arrows, then later to Rifles and finally to Rockets.
BTW, welcome to CFC! I hope you give the GOTM a try!
Thanks for the quick reply! I played the GOTM earlier this month and it was a blast (no pun intented). I landed a spaceship in 1910 but I should've landed many years before that time. I got caught up in a Fundamentalist war stage in the early 1800's and proceed to purge the Aztecs, Mongols and Russian with a load of howitzers, tanks, and spys.
I did received at least 5 ATs during my game including three in row during the BC era. I built a nice SSC but had a couple of close cities that shared spaces with it.
I was amazed by the amount of cheating by the Mongols, Aztecs, and Russians during my game. Despite having spys located in each border city, their diplomats had no problem stealing techs or bribing cities.
I did received at least 5 ATs during my game including three in row during the BC era. I built a nice SSC but had a couple of close cities that shared spaces with it.
I was amazed by the amount of cheating by the Mongols, Aztecs, and Russians during my game. Despite having spys located in each border city, their diplomats had no problem stealing techs or bribing cities.
Bribing cities can be prevented by using Democracy or keeping a large treasury, because bribe prices are based in part on the target treasury. Techs can only be stolen once from any one city, so guard your borders and beware transports with unknown loads approaching your ports. This is really not a "cheat" like shorter AI build times and unsinkable Triremes, but they often have less problems with their Senate. I gather you took out the Spanish somewhere early on, to get the Aztecs restarted?
I was in fundy at the time and the city was a former Russian city that the Mongols overran than I overran. I started building forts on choke points to keep them out. I believe one of the other AI civs took out the Spanish very early in the game. In fact, Madrid was under barbarian control when I found it.
I need to the learn the art of tech gifting. I am learning more and more each day from these forums.
I need to the learn the art of tech gifting. I am learning more and more each day from these forums.
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