GOTM 66 Spoiler

[Ali Ardavan]

I started playing with a space ship victory in mind. I have played to about -1250.

One settler moved towards the visible hut and the other towards the 4 special site on grass. The hut gave Mapmaking. It could have been worse, though not by much, I could have gotten an even more worthless tech. Later hut luck was better. I got a supported chariot and an advanced tribe at the other end of the island.

I am in Monarchy now moving towards trade. Mapmaking allowed me to make a trireme faster than I would have otherwise. Using black clicking I found the one and only place where it could safely travel to the island on my west. I was going there for hut hunting, but I found Nishapur where a hut should have been!

Romans and Chinese have already started working on wonders which is unusally early for the AI.

 

[LordValuna]

The hut gave Mapmaking. It could have been worse, though not by much, I could have gotten an even more worthless tech. Later hut luck was better. I got a supported chariot and an advanced tribe at the other end of the island.

I got 2 ruins of abandoned villages does that count as worse
I'm almost finished will post my log when done
I rechecked also got a chariot to start then the ruins

 

[Ali Ardavan]

I got 2 ruins of abandoned villages does that count as worse

For the first one, no it does not. Mapmaking is not only useless that early in the game on a decent sized island but it also delays getting to Monarchy significantly especially in a deity game.

 

[LordValuna]

I didnt use a science city this game, in fact I only built 3 libraries the entire game, my log to 1 ad
4000bc found thebes, cb
3950
3900 found memphis on unshielded grass
3850*
3800 warrior->settler
3750 pop hut chariot
3700 chariot exploors along coast
3650*cb>col
memphis build war->set
3600 char explors desert finds hut
3550 pop hut ruins war finds hut on hill NE
3500 pop hut ruins
3450* thebes grows to 3 civil disorder
3400 memphis grows to2 cd
3350 warrior returns to thebes, 3 working tiles
3300
3250*
3200 warrior returns to memphis 2 working tiles
3150 pop hut hb
3100 thebes builds settler->temple
3050*warrior finds whales in memphis area
3000 heliopols founded s of thebes on a whale
2950
2900
2850* memphis builds set->horse
2800 start building road memphis - thebes Heliopis builds war->horse
2750 col->mon chariot reveals is on an island so change Heliopis build to settler
2700
2650* start building road thebes to heliopos, chariot find hut on ne part of island, will wait to pop until get mon
2600
2550
2500 Memphis builds horse-> settler
2450* thebes builds temple->pyramids, mover worker from grass to forest
2400 horse finds a whale near pheasant
2350
2300 heliopolis builds settler ->horse
2250*build elephantine in north by whale & pheasant on unshielded grass
2200
2150 mon->writing most of island revealed , a lot of desert and swamp
2100 revolution
2050* switch to mon 30-70-0, build alexandria in swamp se of thebes
2000 pop hut get warrior code
1950 memphis builds settler-> archer
1900
1850* settler start road ne of memphis, heliopos build horse-> set
1800
1750 reange garrisons as Thebes & heliopolis area about to grow
1700 Alexandria builds horse->archer. pi-mamesses built se of fish
1650* Writing -> Feudalism Elephatine build set->dip, island fully explored
1600 start road between elephantine and pi, change alxandria to build dip
1550
1500 Memphis build archer->set
1450* move set near elephantine to near heliopolis
1400
1350
1300 elephantine build dip->set heliopolis builds settler->dip Memphis goes civ dis
1250*feudalism->bronze heliopos switches to pikeman as does pi-ram
1200 start mine as part of mine city se of heliopolis
1150 build Giza to get silk se of Heliopolis move to 1st in population happened recently
1100
1050* pi-ram pikeman->set
1000 Elephantine grows to 3 and rebels, memphis builts settler->set
Seven Cities pop 240,000 not met any civ, 9 units 1 dip 2 set, no wonders
975 thebes builds pyramids -> Sun Tsu war acamdemy helioplis builds pike->set, spend some money to spead up set being built at pi
950 jap undertake collossus
925* elephantine build set->pikeman
900 bronze->chivalry build byblos 2 nw of thebes, Giza build pikeman->set
875 Pi builds settler->pik building road east of elephantine, mine is finished in giza
850 mephis grows to 3 and civ dis
825* elaphantin build pikeman->set heliopolis builds pike->set
800 start mine on coast se of elephantine for a mine city
775 roman nearly completed hanging gardens
750 rome builds hanging gard & switches to collmemphis builds set->great wall
build city on hill se of elephantin, giza switches to deip as would have disbanded if building of set continued
725*Chin start GL giza builds dip->set Heliopos switches from set-dip
700 Rom switch proj from col-marco polo Chivalry->Currency
675 Pi-Rameses pikeman->set helipolis switch from dip-knight
650 Elaphantine build set ->knight byblos pike->set
625*uprining new el-arma
600 Alexandria buils dip char attacks barb hors and get vet status
575 Roman have nearly completed marco jap nearly completed col
550 Rom build marco jap col char captures barb leader 100gp
525* Giza builds set->knight Heliopolis builds knight->dip giza mine complete, set moves to help irrigate alexandria
500
475 Pi-Ramesses grows to 5 and rebels Memphis grows to4 and rebels, Hiearaconpoli built west of oasis El-arma builds pike->set
450 Elamarna goes civil disorder
425*
400 Pi-ramesses build set->knight
375 Alexandria switches to pike Byblos pike->pike
350 Alexandria pike-> Dip
325*Giza builds knight ->knight El-arna builds pikeman->set
300 map-making->construction Thebes switches to Lighhouse(builds next turn) Memphis switches to Sun war academy
byblos and giza switch to trieme begin mine on hill at 63,57 for minecity
275 Thebes build lighthouse Barb uprising in swamp on NE of island
250 civil disorder as pirames grows to 5 elephantine build set->set Hiera builds pike-> set pike moves onto hill to block barbs
225*build Abydos on mine-hill
200 Elephantine goes civildisorder a pair of seetlers near the barb complete a run from Hierac south to wine to make a mine city
175 Heliopolis build dip->dip dip disbands in memphis for sun war
150 Barb makes a pkeman a vet chariot captures barb leader 100 gp build asyut 4th mined city
125* hieracompli goes civildisorder El-amarna builds set->knight memphis goes civil disorder very bad as is building STW gaza build trieme->dip
100 Construction->trade
75 Hieracon grows to 3 and rebels switch to archer
50 Vikings build great library Byblos builds tri->dip
25*
1ad pop 690,000 (2nd place) 13 cities govt: Mon
703g cost/turn 1, Income/turn 17 rate=30%
Sience 14 adv, adv every 8 turns, tax rate = 70%
Prod 54 MT no pollution
26 land units 2 trieme 4 settlers dips 2
wonders pyr & lig
no contact with other civs

 

[LordValuna]

Log from 20 - 1000 Ad
20 Alex build dip->dip Elephantine builds set->tem thebes builds lib-dip build
lisht ne of buffallo on east side of island
40 Jap start oracle flash build pik at Avaris Byblos & Elephant go civil disorder Elephantine flash builds temple heliopil flash build knight
60*bablyos flashbuild pike giza builds dip->dip Elephantine builds temple->col Avaris pik->knight pop a hut on a southern island for 50gp
80 Trade->wheel pi builds tri->set Thebes spend money to speedup building of knight
100
120 Abydos grows to 3 and goes civil disorder change several cities to building caravans
140* El-armarna grows to 4 civil disorder destroy roman tri land knight and dip to find irrigation on island just to the north
160 Hierac builds temple->pik for wri & con get maps of Rome Heliopolis civil disorder
180 meet vik establish embassy gave mon and traded for 3 techs before they told me to get lost
200 found buto on NE side of island unshielded grass Roman incursion continues Thebes had flash built a caravan used to finish up wonder at memphis run into chinese in south get pot & something else , gift caonst to get maps
220*greeks undertak oracle sneek attack by roman chariot prom pik to vet Abydos build set->knight giza build dip->dip memphis build stw->tem
240 Abydos grows to3 civil disorder El-amarna builds set->knight hiero build pik->kni game crashed redo 240
ASyet build kni->kni , meet greeks its war, they plan dont like me
260 heliopolis pik->set
280 Lidht grows to 2 civil disorder elephantine grows to 5 civil disorder
300* jap nearly complete oracle 2 knights capture Roman Cumae defended by a phalanx destroy greek arc&war , and tri
320 chinese switch to rep Jap builds oracle
340 Asyet goes to size 3 civil disorder wheel->eng take first casulty knight near atens dies at hand of an elephant
360 Pi-ramess grows to 4 civil disorder builds set->tem elephantine builds col->aque memphis builds tem->col thebes builds caravan->car
380* lose knight to rome legion giza builds dip->car pi build tem->col edfu mine-city built on se corner of island speed up building of memphis col to 4 turns
400 Lisht builds set->knight thebes goes civil disorder move tax rate to 3-4-3 to get luxury up buy pik at edfu
cumae builds pik->knight Hiera knight->knight
420 Avaris grows to 4 civil disorder Cumae civil disorder Edfu pik->pikf Asyut knight pik
440 captur rome with 3 knight to ph*arc get hanging gardens & marco polo sell granery set tax rate to 3.7.0 trade with jap to get myst & poly get maps can see mongols get nothing from vikings give wheel and chivalry to vikings to get map
Abydos builds knight-tri ASyut switches to tri
460* memphis build col->har Veii captured 2 knights versus leg
480 lost a knight to a legion in a attack on pisae
500 lihst goes civ dis 64g van alexandra->rome sink rom tri
520 Chin develope bridge building Capture pisae with 3 knights to leg&arc(wounded) 70g wine thebes->vei for some reason the trade route listed is gems
buy Antium for 264 sell granary (will sell barracks next turn) get banking & bridge from chinese Avar builds knight->tem lisht pik->tem
Asyt tri->kni
540* Jap start GW Alexandria Barbs land near Giza build van->kni Elephantine builds aquaduct->kni thebes build van->kni
destroy barb legion & tri
560 lose legion in front of neopolis chinese dev phil which we promptly trade for Veii & Antium go civil disorder capture neopolis from 2 legions edfu pik-kni
580 neopolis civil disorder beads van for 8g !
600 pompei captured from a phal&arch sell granary remember to sell antium barracks Rome destroyed
Hieraconopoli kni->kni Veii pik->kni
620* pompe & cumae civil disorder Abydos tri->kni Antiem pik->tem Pisae pik->set silver alexandria-Elamarn
640 jap builds GW edfu grows to 2 civil disorder discover ENG->MON
660 Pithom civil disorder pisae grows to 3 civil disorder Neapolis civil disorder, memphis build hab->van
El-amarna kni-van Giza kni-van
680 Avaris tem->van Abydos goes civil disorder from garrison start sailing to china pi-mamessess grows to 6 and civil disorder
700*jap dev astronomy and start cop list builds tem->van thebes van-van
720
740 Vik develope mon neopolis pik->tem Edfu kni->van switch veii to set rome kni->set
760 wei builds set->pik and goes civ dis pompei pik->trif Nanking captured from leg&war we have 6 knights for attack sell granery Buto grows to 5 civ disorder start a temple there Ant-temp->set
elephantine buildss van->van
780* asyut grows to 4 civ dis Alexandria build van->van Pisae set->tem Memphis van->van Rome set->tem Hieraconopoli kni-van
800 tri get to canton to find grass occupied by set , let 1 knight off to take care of next turn let other off on mountain
820 vik undertakie mich chap mountain knight attacked by chin elephant made vet Neapolis temple->knight Nanking goes civ disorder capture canton def by pha&arch sell granary
840
860* Al-arma builds van->van Giza goes civ dis Heliopolis grows to 3 civ disorder thebes van->van buy tri in Abydos&Asyut
Veii pik->tem
880 Avaris builds van->van Capture Tsintao buy pik at canton Abydos&Asyut both tri->tem
900 Lisht van->van Giza van->van Cumae builds set->tem Elephantine van->van CHAP discover MON-INV
920 buy temp in Veii Neapolis build kni->van
940* jap aquire nav antium builds set->van Veii builds tem->set memp builds van_>Mic Chap Edfu van->van build mich chap_>aquaduct
WLTKD in Rome could get rid of most of the elvis workers
960 Buto tem->har
980
1000 jap dev fuedalism Neapolis van->van Romew builds tem->courthouse Tsintao pik->cru Nanking pik->cru
pop 3,420,000 (1st), 28 cities gov't Mon
593g cost/turn 27 Income/turn 39 rate=30%
Sience advances 28, advances every 11 turns rate=70%
Production 158MT
wonders pyr stwa hang mp lig
74 land units 12 settlers 9 tri 2 dip 7 car
Foreign Affairs : Rome - destroyed
Japan - hostile
Vikings Hostile-Peace
Chinese Uncooperative War - have destroyed most of their main area, but the colonies are far away
Greeks- Enraged War- no activity on this front
Mongols - Receptive Peace
moved bal of log to seperate post, added to year 1000 summary

 

[Ali Ardavan]

Status at -1000
Population: 0.18M; Cities: 10; Trade routes: 0D0F; Government: Monarchy
Finance. Treasury: 1; Cost per turn: 0; Income: 8; Tax rate: 30%
Science: Total advances: 9; Advance every 7 turns; Science rate: 70%
Production: 32MT; 0 polluted tiles
Wonders:
Units: 4 settlers (1 None), 7 Warrior, 3 Phalanx, 1 Chariot, 2 Trireme.
Roman: No contact
Japanese: No contact
Viking: No contact
Chinese: No contact
Greek: No contact
Mongol: 6 cities, 329g, 5 techs; War with me;

 

[Ali Ardavan]

-0900 Kish founded.
-0875 Asyut founded.
-0800 Chinese discover Philosophy. Literacy -> Republic.
-0750 Construction from Mongol hut.
-0700 Herat founded on hilltop in Mongolia.
-0675 Mongols start Colossus. First Barracks built.
-0650 T7L0S3 so as not to get another tech (that someone else might have) right before Marco.
-0600 Marco built. Construction -> Japanese (2) -> Pottery, maps.
Trade, Construction, Pottery -> Chinese (3) -> Republic, Mysticism, Philosophy, maps, 0g
Republic, Trade, Philosophy -> Roman (4) -> 0g
Republic -> Viking (1) -> maps, war when I demanded tribute.
-0575 Lisht founded.
-0550 Mongol horse reaches Herat. There is a settler in there and it is on a hill but mapmaking, Republic, Philosophy -> Mongol (5) -> peace, maps. Their land is vast.
-0525 None legion from Mongol hut. Masonry -> Roman (4).
-0500 Mapmaking -> Roman (4)
-0475 Roman (4) -> maps.
-0450 Romans build Pyramids. 50g from Roman hut.
-0425 Hanging Gardens built. Buto founded. Construction, Pottery -> Mongol (5) -> peace.
-0400 Banking -> Medicine. Construction -> Roman (4) -> Medicine.
-0375 -> Math. Gems to Mongol Nishapur for 144.
-0350 Rushed 32 remaining shields of Colossus to keep it out of Mongol hands. Hidesl to Roman Cumae for 80.
-0325 Colossus built. Marv founded.
-0300 Mongols build Lighthouse.
-0275 Math -> Astronomy.
-0250 Revolution started. T2L6S2.
-0225 Republic established. T3L3S4. Hides to Roman Veii for 128.
-0200 Bronze Working -> Chinese (2) -> Monotheism. Math -> Japanese (1) -> Seafaring. Hides, Beads to Roman Neapolis, Rome for 136, 216. Domestic offshore Wine to science city to establish its first trade route for 114.
-0175 Astronomy -> University. Islambol founded in Roman territory.
-0125 Beads to Roman Cumae for 72.
-0100 Copper, Cloth to Roman Rome, Pompeii for 216, 210.
-0075 University -> Chemistry. Domestic offshore Beads, Silver for 48, 94. Contacted Greeks for the first time. They want 150g to talk. I refused. They declared war. Vikings want 100.
-0050 Greeks and Vikings unite agianst me!
-0025 Hides to Roman Antium for 112. Mongols approach and demand 300g. I refuse. They declare war.
+0001 Chinese build Great Library.

Status at +0001
Population: 0.95M; Cities: 17; Trade routes: 6D9F; Government: Republic
Finance. Treasury: 12; Cost per turn: 4; Income: 42; Tax rate: 30%
Science: Total advances: 23; Advance every 13 turns; Science rate: 40%
Production: 83MT; 0 polluted tiles
Wonders: Colossus, Hanging Gardens, Marco.
Units: 7 settlers (1 None), 6 Warriors, 9 Phalanx, 1 None Legion, 1 Chariots, 3 Trireme, 2 Diplomat, 8 Caravans.
Roman: 6 cities, 285g, 18 techs; Pyramids
Japanese: 8 cities, 524g, 10 techs;
Viking: 5 cities, 370g, 14 techs; War with me, allied with Greeks;
Chinese: 5 cities, 215g, 18 techs; Great Library
Greek: 7 cities, 460g, 11 techs; War with me, allied with Vikings;
Mongol: 8 cities, 739g, 15 techs; War with me; Lighthouse

 

[LordValuna]

Balance of log
1020* jap nearly completed cop ob thebes van->van Beijing fell only defended by 1 legion! Canton pik->cru
1040 Jap kyto builds cop, they also switch to magellan capture shanghai and hangchow get math&nav from mongols for phil*eng through in bridge to get maps
start moving knight from beijing area to greece
1060 mongols start krc Avaris builds car->car
El-amarna builds car->car Nanking goes civ dis Anium builds set->col wipe out a size 2 city in china that had an archer defending
1080 vik nearly complete krc pisae build tem->set hieracompli car->car byblos car->car getting ready for wonder building want leonardos work and statue of lib
1100*trodhiem(vik) KRC mong switched to Mag Lisht build car->car Asyut tem->set pompeii grows to 5 civ disorder switches to pik for matial law Neopolis car->car Cumae tem->car Elephantine Mkt->car Veii set->car Beijing pik->tem
pop a hut in central china 3 barb horse kni kills 1
1120
1140 barb hor kills my knight Giza car->car Alexandria car->car disc INV->GUN destroy Athens which had 4 defenders 2 losses plus used a dip, pile 8 car into Elephantine to build LW
1160 Edfu car->har Avaris grows to 6 civ disorder switch to pik Elephantine build LW->car Heliopolis car->car Busiris pik->cru pompei pik->temp (pike didnt help unhapiness) ferry 3 dam knights back to China for repair Antium grows to 7 civ dis
hangcho pik->set Tsingtao cru->set Tientsin cap from Chine no losses ph&arc defending Shanghai pik->tem
1180* kni dies adj to greek city (no greek maps) buto builds har->aqu thebes car-car
1200 Greeks move their capital ( Ihadnt counted on that) Neapolis car->car capture Greek Corinith 2 defenders no match for the crusaders sell barracks we give navagation in the hopes they will offer ceasefire but they dont
Asyut switches from set->cru
1220 Mephis builds Aqu->Car Beijing builds tem->set chinese give 200 gp for cease fire give Inv&Mon to get worshipful for maps
1240 Jap nearly completet mag exp Pithom grows to size 5 civ dis Edfu grows to 4 civ dis Abydos tem->har Pisae set->caraval Elephantine van->van Avaris pik-set buy size 2 city thessalonica for 475g destroy greek size 2 city of sparta refuse offer of 100gp for cease fire
1260* Japan Edo completes MAG loose knight to Greek archer another knight holds off 2 attacks WLTK day in Edfu El-Amarna builds van->van caraval captures barb leader on north coast of Greece
ask for tribute for China get war which is what I want Tientsin builds pik-set
1280 Tsingtao civ dis as garrison left for Greece Pi-ramess grows to 8 civ dis complete col there for twenty something gp thebes builds dip->van Capture Chin city of Shantung def by 1 ph
1300 Pithom builds set->har Lisht van->har Pompei tem->col Neapolis van->van
WLTK in Tsingtao Giza van->dip Cumae van->van Pi-Ram col->aqu Incite revolt in Jap outpost in mongol territory of Izumo for 315g (size 3) get ast as do Vik from GL 79g plunder plus sold a granary there is a Japan cataplut inside city radius so I'm thinking they have another city nearby, send a knight to deal with the Cat and Jap forces a cease fire with GW, I accept peace, demand tribute and the withdraw their catapult
Nanking builds cru->cru
1320 a Jap kni and a Caravel wander by Izmo meanwhile a mongol knight wander into the cities territory Tsintao builds set->tem WLTK cancelled,get Gun->Dem Rome->cou->aqu demand tribute from mongol he dec war capture Greek Delphi defended by legion Greek offer 300 gp for cease-fire, I must have him where I want, so I refuse Corinith builds pik(upgraded to mus)->cru
1340* Izumo withstands an attack from a knight & gains vet status Hangchow grows to 4 civ dis Pisae goes civ dis Hieraconpoli van-van Corinth civ dis Canton goes civ dis Elephantine van->van Veii van->van Shanghai tem->aqu Beijing tem->cru Rome grows to 6 WLTK day cancelled, put one elvis to get WLTK next turn capture Pharsalos had 1 ph defending. 122 gold plundered plus sold barracks Greeks up ante to 600g so we take a cease fire
destroy Chi Kaipung build kahun in center of Rome island
1360 Pithom goes civ dis Edfu har->tem WLTK day in Tientsin, Hangchow, Canton, Heliopolis, Rome & Corinth, Heliopolis cru->dip Busiris cru->cru Talk to Greeks they offer 100g for a peace treaty I demand tri get war , YES! Capture Thermopyle 34g plunder while the plunder is less at least they wont be moving their capital this time as they have only 102 gold(1000 reqd)
1380 Vik dev Uni WLTK day in Pithom Buto grows 7 civ dis Avaris grows to 7 civ dis Memphis goes civ dis build Athribis on China island to fill a gap in road network and provide a port near Greece took a casulty(crusader) in attack on Greek Capital Knossos was defended by ph&arc meet Vik trade gun for Uni
1400 Izumo goes civ dis as does Pompeii Neapolis builds van->van Giza dip->dip Knossos destroyed as they flash build a phalanx, so that cost me a size 1 city Giza dip->dip Build Mendes on NW area of Rome after irrigating a swamp near a whale
1420* WLTK in Izumo Civ dis order in Pharsalos I keep forgetting to check with my attitude advisor Avaris builds set->col Antium col->aq Mempis van->van Herakleia captured from Greece 1 ph defending Attack Argos take damage from archer so delay victory till next turn Ephesos captured 1 ph defending
1440 WLTK in Pharsalos Hangchow build set->tem and goes civ dis El-Amarna van->van Elephantine van->van grows 10 civ dis Thebes van->van Capture Greek city of Artgus def by arc&war sell barracks give Gun Phi & Mat to get greek maps and cease fire only to discover there last city is by the Chineses colony accross the ocean
Pisae caraval->col
1460 warned about violating a vik city neutrality Thessalonica goes civ dis Tientsin builds set->tem goes civ dis WLTK in Hangchow Asyut grows to 6 civ dis Abydos civ dis Tsingtao grows to 4 civ dis Giza civ dis Alexandria van->van Kahun mus->tem Im shocked to lose a crusader in attack on Mongol knight near Izumo! Shantung musk->tem
1480 WLTK in Thessalonica, Tientsin, Tsingtao, Giza Buto Aqu->cru Cumae civ dis Beijing cru->dip Heraklei caravel->mus Delphi mus->cru
1500* Edfu tem->cru WLTK cancelled in Pharsalos as it grows to 5 Delphi civ dis Neapolis van->van discover Dem->Lea send caravans to build SOL at Memphis Asut cru->cru demand tribute from the Vik its war Izumo cru->cru
1510 WLTK in Delphi Corinth grows to 5 WLTK cancelled Cumae van->van Memphis SOL->van setting up for an attack on the last Greek city with overwelming odds, and the Chi demanded gunpowder, we said no they said WAR last Gre city destroyed guarded by a lone ph sack Chi city of Anyang defended by a ph Pharsolos mus->tem sack FR city of Uradul def by pik Revolution
1520 civ dis in Pisae Byblos van->van Tsingtao tem->set FUN declared 50-50-0 income 321g a turn, discoveries every 18 turns, capture Ormuz over 2 turns def by leg&pik
1530 lose cru to a Mon cru near Ormuz and our knight from Ormuz exacts revenge on the cru, WLTK in Izumo cru->cru WLTK in thessalonica WLTK in Lisht har->cru WLTK Delphi, Tsingtao, Giza, Canton, Heliopolis, Rome . Elephantine van->van Veii van->aqu Vik offer 500g for a cease fire, I accept as not really set up to atack them, they offer 350g for peace how can I say no, Heraklie mus->tem
1540* WLTK cancelled in Thessalonica, Canton, Heliopolis. Abydos har->cru Hieraconpol van->cru Heliopolis dip->cru Beijing dip->Aq Thebes van->van Rome aqu-van demand tri from Vik WAR Busins cru->cru
1550 Loose kni to Mon kni near Ormuz our knight exacts revenge Ormuz mus->cru Thermopylae mus->set Athribis mus->set sack Chi Ningpo def by a ph Mendes mus->set
1560 Loose kni to Mon knight near Ormuz again buy kni for 344g. El-Armarna van->cru Kahun tem->cru Antium aqu->cru Shanghai aqu->mkt
1570 Jap ask for gun (no) I ask for Tribute WAR Chi Macao captured ph def. pop a hut get adv tri size 2 with a tem at 87,29
1580* WLTK in Pithom, Pompei aqu->cru Elephantine van->cru bur Mon Tabriz for 650g sell granary
1590 Shantung tem->set Pithom builds har->tem Hangchow tem->mkt Can cru->tem
Lost a knight&caraval to Vik Pharsalos tem->set WLTHk cancelled in Lisht as it grows to 5 cancelled in Rome as it grows to 7 Cumae van->van Vik Hladir captured def by 2 mus sell granary, Vik offer measly 100g for cease-fire
1600 Mon offer 300g for cease-fire its close but I say no, Tsingtao set-mkt WLTK cancelled Memphis van->van Thebes van->cru Antium cru->cru vet cru dies attacking Fre mus @ Roskilde build Tanis near Shanhai
1610 Avaris col->aq Tientsin tem->aqu Neapolis aqu->cru Thermopylaw set->tem Veii aqu->cru
build city of Buhen inland on NW side of Roma island Buto cru->cru Asyut cru->cru capture Fre city of Roskilde musk&arc defending lost two cru, ceasefire from Vik for 150g Corinth cru->aqu nanking cru->aqu cHI Chinan defended by ph Chi Tatung cap def by leg Hladir mus->cru Argos mus->tem capture last Chi city of Xingjian def by ph&arc
I lost track of time here so things may be off a turn
1620*
1630 Mendes set->tem Beijing aqu->col Rome van->van Kahun cru->cru Pompei cru->cru Macao mus->set
1640 lost cru to Bar ele on adv city island El-Ashmunein Leadership->Met Alexandria van->van Mon Kabal sacked def by leg Mongols offer 400g for cease fire accept, 400g for peace accept demand tri ignored, demand tri from Vik War Kaupang capture lose 2 green dragoons to 3 mus, exploration by dra finds Trondhiem its walled so may have to wait for cannons Tatung mus->set
1650 Heraklei tem->set Pharsalos set->aqu Camtpon tem->aqu Rodskilde mus->dra Xinjian mus->set Antium&Neapolis dra->dra Shantung tem->mkt Hladir dip->dip Cumae van->aqu Pi-ramesses aqu->har Shanghai mkt->lib demand tri from Mon WAR Samarkland captured 2 defenders sell barracks Mon offer 400g for ceasefire I accept, mongols down to 30g now Izumo dra->dra Vei dra->dra Busiris dra-dra Thessalonica dra=>set captured Fre Aarhus def by 2 mus
1660* lost track of time again
1670 lost dra to Barb Elp near Xinjin and to a Vik cru near Trodhiem Athribis set->tem Pisae col->aqu Xinjian set->tem Ephesos dra->set Delphi dra->tem
1680 lost dra to Barb ele, lost mus to Vik cru, WLTK cancelled in Pithom as grows to 5, Mon continue to ignore demands for tribute Byblos build a caraval->dra Hieraconpol dra->dra Buto dra->dra Asyut dra->dra opps caraval runs into Jap caraval as it runs out ot moves
1690 lost caraval and dip, lost a drag to Barb Elephant but capture a Barb leader after a drag survived a attack by ele Thermopylae tem->aqu Memphis van->van WE decide to break the ceafire with Mon, finnaly losing our Spotless record , lose 4 dra in unsucessful attack on trodheim decide to step on all shields to limit him to 2 units, Mon Bokhara captured defended by 2 units Sack Mon Quinsay pik def, Elephantine dra->dra Neapolis dra->dra
1700* Lost drag in siege of Trodhiem, Argos tem->har Mendes tem->aqu Avaris aqu->van Haldir dip_>cat(flash build) Rome van->van Abydos dra->dra dip reveeals there is only 2 arc at Mon Karakorum so we attack lose 1 dra get size 7 city with walls destro Jap caraval with passender vet status, capture Mon Kashgar 2 arc def sell barracks, Tabriz dra->dra Tanis mus->tem
1710 Lost drag at Trodhiem Nanking aqu->har, Investige Trodhiem with dip check map see where rest of area Vik has explored I must say I'm dismayed to discover KRC give shield production on squares that would normally produce 0, so he has 11 production to support his troops and there is nothing I can do about it He has 3 mus a kni & a cru So we will bring up the vet catapults and hope Kaupang mus->cat Edfu dra->dra. capture Mon Nishapur 2 arc def Ormuz dra->dra Basra cat->tem
Pompei dra->van Kahun dra->aqu Buhen mus->tem Veii dra->mkt
1720 Dragoon falls to Mongol Cat Tatung set->set El-Amarna dra-dra Elephantine dra->dra Giza dra->dra Thebes dra->dra capture Mon walled city of Allepo def by a pik&arc sell granary
Samarkand cat->dra
1730 Vik attack on my mus/cat stack failed Heraklein set->set Hangchow mkt->aqu Corinth aqu->tem Beijing col->lib , capture Vik Trondhiem I hate to even guess at my losses 2 cat to start then many dragoons capture KRC & GL sell barracks keep city walls now to find last Vik city well that wasnt hard its only 4 aquares away from Trondhiem Hladir cat->set Roskilde dra->set Herakleia set->set capture Bar leader
the darn Jap forced a ceasfire as I was attacking Khorasan Have designated Shanhu as the Pet city for Mon Elephantine dra->dra Neapolis dra->set
1740* Thessalonica set->tem Pi-Ramesses har->mkt Shanghai lib->set Asyet dra->aqu Jap forces peace treaty with GW this is going to cramp my gameplan Kashgar mus->dra Mon Khanbalyk capture def by 2 arc give Gun&Leadership to Mon to get map for last unknown city(is Kazan) just up the coast from where my drag force is. Karakorum mus->aqu
1750 Mon trade gun->Jap (i didnt think they had contact?!) Met->Med Ephesos set->tem Pharsaols aqu->mkt Xingjin set->tem Last Vik city of Viborg captured defended by 2 mus ask for tribute from Jap War Cap Jap Osaka Leg&arc defending sell Granary
Attack Gonara def by mus arc & leg and capture GW capture Satuma def by arc&set Buto dra->->mkt Build This at mouth of river in Rome island Antium dra->mkt
1752 Lose Dragoon took a Jap cru&ni to kill him. It was in my rear area he must of got 1 last ship out Avaris van->mkt Nepolis set->mkt Tsingtao mkt->aqu Canton aqu->cou Rome lib->col sack Jap Kagoshima capture Mon Kazan defended by arc now there is but 1 Mon city
1754 Lose 2 Dragoons to 1 Barb ele near Vyborg Tientsin aqu->mkt Alexandria van->cou, capture Jap Kyoto it was defended by a lone archer! capture Coll, Ora, Cop, Capture Jap Edo defended by 2 mus capture Mag and sell granary Elephantine cru->cou Lisht dra->aqu
1756* Pithom tem->aqu Delphi tem->aqu Hladir set->aqu Corinth tem->mkt Pi-Ramesses mkt->cou Elephantine cou->har Memphis mkt->cou Thebes build aqu Capture Jap city of Nagoya mus&pik defending. Give a ton of tech to get back in Jap good grace and get their map I have no boats so rush build a caraval at Nara which is nearby, have been disbanding units since last turn to speed up builds, build Oryx on tip of Island South of Nagoya, Heliopolis builds dra we disband it & a caravan to build harbour
1758 Khorasan set-> Basra tem->aqu Macao set->tem Pompeii van->mkt Tabriz tem->aqu Nishapur tem->aqu Nanking har->tem Satsuma tem->aqu Veii mkt->col Shanghai set->cou Edo tem->col Samarkand set->tem Osaka set->tem Heliopolis har->aqu Kyoto aqu->tem Karakorum aqua->tem I violate cease fire with Jap sack last city Nagasaki size 2 defended by a pik. So call for a revolution to switch to Democracy to WLTK to increase the score, but this game is over.
1760 pop 16,150,000 score +19 give all tech I can to Mon set tax rate at 0-50-50 need to get sanatation ASAP gifting Mon move dicoveries from every 4 turns to 3
1762 pop 16,110,000 score +7 tax rate set to 0-40-60 as this still gives tech every 3 turns
1764*pop 20,980,000 score +10
1766 took 2 casulties from Bar there going to capture 1 of my cities that darned adv tribe on an island, bUild ST at Memphis, move tax rate to 0-30-70
pop >25,740,000 score +9
1768 The Barb want 8200 gp not to take El-asmunein, thats all I have so the answer was no
pop 25,740,000 score +7
1770 learn San->Eco but set tax to 30-0-70 as spent a ton of money 8000g flash building Sew
pop 34,530,000 score +3
1772*pop 39,780.000 score +5
1774 incite revolt in El-asmunein for 156g much better than the 8,000g the Bar wanted, I ask Mon to withdraw troops WAR
pop 45,130,000 score +5
1776 pop decrease from Barb at Ephoes
pop 50,010,000 score +0
1778 Pop decrease in Ephesos again, had only a settler nearby by whil I rush build a mus
pop 53,660,000 score +2
Only marginal gain in score so I'm going to end it Shangu captured Mon destroyed

 

[dogma]

7 cities at 1000 BC and 18 cities at AD 1. To my surprise the 7th city did not trigger unhappiness as described in the Early Landing Games Strategy Guide, that kicked in with the 10th city and with 18 cities (still in monarchy) every initial citizen is unhappy. Maybe these thresholds depend on the map size?

A roman sneak attack reduced my ssc by 2 citizens in 100 BC (I turned them into allies afterwards), I'll have to see how fast the ssc can recover. I only dare to change to republic after michelangelo's chapel is built, probaly before shakepeare's theatre.

 

[dogma]

24 cities at AD 500 and in republic all of them are red, sucking up lot's of luxuries.

Using black clicking I found the one and only place where it could safely travel to the island on my west. I was going there for hut hunting, but I found Nishapur where a hut should have been!

I found Kashgar at that spot. It's always interesting how different the game of the month can turn out (although here it just seems to be an instance of small random changes amplified to noticible differences).

 

[TimTheEnchanter]

Let's see how I compare...
1000 BC - one city
AD 1 - one city
AD 500 - one city
AD 1000 - one city


A nice little OCC game. I enjoy these Deity OCC games because the AI actually manages to research a few things along the way and grows a bit, and they tend to make things interesting at the end. All things considered, I am quite pleased with the result. No rivers, and the routes just never thrived - they stalled out at +18. There were a couple AI cities that got over size 8 but it wasn't worth trying to deliver to them by that time. Obviously no road or RR bonus (although the Romans did start some colonies on our island very late but at that point I wasn't in the mood to give their diplomats unfettered rail access to my city.

 

[Igor Galochkin]

-3950 - opened hut, 50G
-3800 - founded Thebes on Whales and Buffalo (and, as it turned out, Fish and something under that grassland tile), ->cerem.burial
-3500 - cer.burial -> code of laws. Hut-archer
-3400 - Memphis on Pheasant and Whales
-3150 - code of laws -> warrior code (monarchy was unavaliable)
-3100 - hut, empty
-2800 - barb uprising 7 tiles from Memphis - chariot.
-2750 - warrior code -> monarchy. hut - archer
-2450 - settler in memphis
-2200 - another uprising near Memphis. Barb chariot kills archer right away. Founded Heliopolis on mountain gold, started Pyramids there.
-2150 - monarchy, revolution. Barb archer lands near Thebes (I have 2 warriors there). Had settler nearly ready there, switch to archer
-2100 - barb archer doesn't kill my fortified warrior in Thebes (strangely, those barbs have a penalty while attacking cities)
-2050 - Monarchy government
-1850 - settler in Memphis
-1700 - writing -> mysticism
-1600 - settler in Thebes. Found Elephantine on swamp tile, but on spice and oasis
-1450 - settler in Memphis.
-1400 - mysticism -> feudalism
-1300 - Alexandria on whales
-1150 - Romans undertaken Pyramids
-1100 - feudalism -> map making (thought of literacy for rush to monoteism, but since we are on an isle, ship are needed urgently), settler in Thebes
-1050 - settle in Memphis
-975 - Pi-Ramesses on Fish, Buffalo, and Wheat
-875 - map making -> literacy
-850 - founded Giza on silk tile
-825 - trireme in Memphis, goes exploring the coast, founded Biblos on a spot with suspicious grassland and maybe a resource in unexplored ocean - turned out to be a whale later
-800 - settler in Thebes
-775 - trireme finds an island to the north with a road on a grassland tile.
-725 - Mongols undertaken Hanging Gardens
-700 - literacy -> philosophy
-650 - Chinese undertaken Great Library. I rush Pyramids in Heliopolis for 350G
-600 - Japanese undertaken Colossus
-575 - Vikings undertaken colossus
-550 - Romans complete HG
-525 - Philosophy, golden age, Horseback riding -> Politeism
-450 - Japanese completed Colossus. I start San-Tzu in mountain city Heliopolis, Vikings change to Lighthouse
-400 - founded El-Amarna on swamp tile near silk
-375 - Vikings finish Lighthous
-350 - someone completes his history, and we are 4th largest nation. ????
-325 - Hieraconpolis on Fish and Wine
-300 - Politeism -> Chivalry
-250 - Chinese build Great Library. Well, not that I would care much for that.. Saw a roman warrior in a fortress on the northern island
-200 - Abydos on hills and fish+whale
-175 - I delivered a settler to the small island to the east
-150 - Adyut on whales+fish
-75 - chivalry -> monoteism
-50 - Romans nearly completed ME, Japanese undertaken Sun-Tzu
-25 - Romans done ME. Well, I don't care either.
AD1 - Chinese undertaken Great Wall
20 - Romans undertaken GW, Avaris on a swamp island to the east
40 - Roman horseman lands near Thebes. Offer trade for our literacy, ok. Pottery for philosophy? ok. I take construction. Pottery for writing? ok. I take currency. Pottery for monarchy? no! Peace. Offer maps exchange - no. Tribute - WAR! (they were cordial!??)
100 - Romans land in empty avaris (1) and raise it, take Monarchy.
120 - my 2 knights land near Antium
140 - Mongols started Sun-Tzu. Knights capture Antium, taken Pottery.
160 - founded Lisht on the same spot where Avaris was
180 - monoteism! -> seafaring (I am going to rush for navigation now)
200 - Greeks build Great Wall.
220 - founded Buto on south-eastern island
260 - Chinese undertaken Sun-Tzu, Japanese nearly completed. Well, not much of a trouble..
300 - Japanese complete Sun-Tzu, Chinese and Mongols abandon, I change to Michelangelo
320 - scouting trireme finds Herclea
380 - seafaring -> mathematics
440 - take Neapolis, mathematics, 34G. Settler on a trireme go around the Romans' island and found Edfu on a forest tile in the north. -> astronomy
520 - take Veii, bronze working
580 - take Pompeii, 54G+60G granary. I rush Michelangelo for 540G (I had 540G)
600 - Heliopolis finished Michelangelo, starts Oracle
680 - Japanese undertaken Oracle
700 - astronomy -> navigation
740 - take Pisae. My vet trireme attacks a barb trireme, which has thin red lifebar and fails. Thats what I hate in Civ2
780 - raise Ravenna
880 - Rome with HG and ME captured. Exchanged Iron working for my Construction with Japanese. Traded Wheel for construction with Mongols. Demanded tribute from Greeks and Mongols and they declared WAR. Ok then..
920 - my diplomat bribes Cumae, Romans destroyed
980 - Japanese build Oracle, I change for Magelan's Expedition
1000 - Chinese undertaken King Richard's
1060 - Vikings and Greeks sign an alliance agains us.
1120 - Greeks build Copernicus. I started a total war, most cities on the first island have barracks and produce crusaders, caravels started delivering them to nearby islands. Wiped small Mongol city Quinsay. Greeks have their great wall, so their conquest will have to be postponed will development of Metallurgy.
1160 - demanded tribute from Chinese. WAR. Raise empty Macao, take Engineering.
1180 - a noticeable battle takes place in the deserts to the north of Basra. My 4 crusaders kill 5 units. I rush Magelan.
1200 - Chengdu captured. I take Bridge Building.
1220 - cease fire with Chinese (my Crusader was near a city with walls alone). Invention -> Gunpowder. Started Leonardo in Heliopolis. Captured Shangtu and Basra from Mongols.
1240 - discovered advanced tribe while attacking chinese. Violated cease fire and captured Nanking. They have no pikemen, so taking them won't be hard.
1280 - capture Xinjian, take Banking. Wipe Tatung and take Republic.
1300 - capture Izumo
1320 - Vikings build King Richard's, Mongols and Japanese make an alliance against us, wow. We capture Tsintao and take Physics.
1360 - cease fire with Chinese. They built city walls in Bejing, so I will hold on the attack for a bit
1380 - capture Nagoya, take 100G
1400 - Japanese bribe Izumo with a caravel, crusader and 2 pikemen.
1440 - capture Ormuz. Gunpowder -> Leadership
1480 - Chinese break cease fire and kill 2 crusaders. I capture Tabriz, I buy Leonardo. Vikings attack my fortified musketeer with an elephant and kill it. Next turn they will have Gunpowder.
1500 - well, this turn was really unlucky. Vikings and Chinese now have Gunpowder. It seems attacking on all fronts is quite hard.
1520 - Chinese build Shakespeare
1550 - capture Aarhus
1560 - capture Hangchow, Chinese offer cease fire for 350G, ok
1570 - Vikings counter-attack and vipe Aarhus. Leadership -> Steam Engine (I want Communism, curruption is intolerable), all crusaders upgrade to dragoons, waaa. I capture Kazan.
1580 - I wipe out Izumo
1600 - capture Kabul
1610 - capture Samarkand
1630 - war again with Chinese
1660 - capture Edo with Sun-Tzu, 265G and 60G for granary. yeah! sold all baracks, now have 1850G
1680 - steam engine -> railroad
1700 - capture Satzuma with Oracle, 250G. Nearly capture Kyoto.
1710 - capture Kyoto with Colossus, 250G. Capture Canton.
1720 - cease fire with Japanese for 550G!
1730 - cease fire with Chinese for 300G. Capture Cashgar, 100G. Cease fire with Mongols for 300G. Greeks force peace with GW.
1740 - I break peace with Greece by wiping out 4 ancient units with Ironcland, capture Pharsalos. I land in empty Kararorum (all was wiped out by ironclad), all declare war at us again, wow!
1750 - greek elephant, as usually, kills my musketeer, greeks take back Pharsalos and get Gunpowder.. Japanese and Mongols have no capitals now, so I build diplomats. Bought Kagoshima
1752 - railroad -> democracy. bought Osaka (for 450G), Japanese have 1 city left
1754 - capture Sparta, capture Tientsin, take University. Chinese have 2 cities left. I attempt an attack on Bejing with 6 dragoons, but there turns out to be at least 4 musketeers behind walls, lots 5 dragoons in vain.
1756 - Mongol capital moves to Bokhara. Captured Nara, Japanese destroyed.
1758 - bought Nishapur for 1400G
1760 - capture Bokhara, buy Aleppo for 230G, capture Thessalonica
1762 - bought last two Mongol cities, Mongols destroyed.
1768 - democracy -> industrialization. I rush Darwin's voyage
1770 - Darwin rushes industrialization, then communism. -> metallurgy (to get rid or that Great Wall). Greeks have walls in all cities. Started revolution.
1772 - revolution ended, communism! Productivity on the whole at least double, maybe even trippled. No unhappy folks, discoveries 4 turns! yeah! Ok, now that there are only Greeks and Vikings left, and the Chinese are nearly done, I will rush for Tactics to get Cavalry instead of dragoons, cancel the effect of their Great Wall and bribe some cities for faster conquest.
1778 - capture Herakleia, Hladir
1780 - metallurgy -> conscription. Effect of Great Wall cancelled! Charge! Captured Knossos, Effesos, Troy, Buto (back from Vikings)
1784 - capture Lindholm, Rhodes, Marathon, Athens (Copernicus, GW), Eretria, Thermopilae. Greeks are nearly done. I rush Eiffel Tower.
1786 - conscription! -> espionage (I need to blow up walls at viking cities). All musketeers to riflemen
1788 - capture Argos
1790 - wipe 5 musketeers in Beijing and capture it with dragoons, capture Viborg, caputre the last Greek city of Micenae. Greeks are destoryed.
1792 - Espionage!! -> Tactics. I buy Shanghai for mere 240 gold (there was riot there, and they lost their capital). I unsuccesfully try to sabotage walls in Trodheim. Buy Kaupang for 1340 gold (sold lots of buildings for that)
1794 - Destroyed walls in Trondheim! Bought Roskilde for 699G.
1796 - storm of Trondheim. With heavy casualties it was taken, Vikings fall. END OF THE GAME

Result:
end year 1796
score: 832 for citizens, 340 for acheivements. 217%

Maybe I should have switched to Democracy in the end to make some score on celebrations, but was too laze to do that.
All in all, the game was fun while capturing Romans and then leading war on all fronts. However, in the end it got boring to move dozens of units around.

 

[Peaster]

Slightly bad luck at huts and outposts - or maybe deity level is just harder than I remember it ? Conquest in 300 AD, without much effort at a big score. I heard the staff was working on the HOF, but that was months ago IIRC... some news would be appreciated.

 

[LordValuna]

One settler moved ... and the other towards the 4 special site on grass.

People all seem to know that there are 4 specials around when only 1 special is visible. Is there a program that helps with it? or is there some way to calculate things?

 

[Ali Ardavan]

Slightly bad luck at huts and outposts - or maybe deity level is just harder than I remember it ? Conquest in 300 AD, without much effort at a big score.

Deity is harder as it is supposed to be. Your result is as always impressive though. So far every one else (that has reported here) is beyond 1500.
I am at 1550 and in Fundamentalism battling Mongols, Japanese, Vikings, and Greeks. Romans and Chinese are my friends and big time trading partners.

 

[Ali Ardavan]

People all seem to know that there are 4 specials around when only 1 special is visible. Is there a program that helps with it? or is there some way to calculate things?

There are no programs that I know of other than the game and the standard map editor that shipped with it. The technique is called Map Analysis.

Here is an oversimplified brief explanation:
Look up the coordinates of the starting position and paint what you see in the map editor on a map the same size as that of the game. Change resource seed till you find matches.

 

[Peaster]

There are helper programs for specials. I think "hutfinder" by Scouse Gits does it. I never got that to work on my machine though, so I sometimes use "civ2admin" by SlowThinker. You can find them both at Apolyton's GL, if not at CFC.

These are not "must have" items, though. If you look at a revealed map, you'll see that specials occur in groups of 8, and nearby ones are a knight's move apart. Knowing that pattern, plus normal exploring, is usually enough. I rarely bother to plant a city in the "sweet spot" between 4 specials, though that is important for OCC or maybe a SSC.

 

[TimTheEnchanter]

Hutfinder is my map-helper of choice. You need to find a hut first for it to work. Games like this where there is one in the start position are a bonus. Once you find that first hut, it can effectively give you the location of all huts and specials based on the known hut/specials patterns. I really like it because it has a nice graphical interface.

Supposedly Slowthinker's app can tell you not only where the specials are, but whether they are whale or fish type, and I think it can start giving at least some information when you find the first special (instead of having to find a hut), but I never figured out how to use it right.

Both were made available on threads at the Apolyton forums.

 

[Ali Ardavan]

Supposedly Slowthinker's app can tell you not only where the specials are, but whether they are whale or fish type, and I think it can start giving at least some information when you find the first special (instead of having to find a hut), but I never figured out how to use it right.

You can do all that and more with just the map editor. For example, when the initial info is inconclusive, you can still know all the possibilities. I doubt if any application is flexible enough to give you that.

 

[TimTheEnchanter]

but to use the map editor, you have to remember which axis to divide by two, or is it multiply by two? Anyway, it's more work than typing in the coodinates of a hut and getting a nice pretty picture.