GotM 67 Spoiler

[Bestbank Tiger]

I hate the Aztecs. Scumbags keep sneak-attacking me even though I have the UN. The Aztecs are officially ON NOTICE.

I was doing OK for a while, especially for my first time playing King, but the Vikings have a 39/7/7/0/0/0 spaceship already and there's no way I can get to Trondheim before they build, launch, and land. Time to throw in the towel on this one.

I think I'll just crank up Cheat mode and rain nuclear holocaust down on the Aztecs.

 

[Ali Ardavan]

But I'm surprised you can manage transportation with only two triremes, and no Lighthouse.

One has been to Rome and it is on its way back. The other is on its way back from its second trip to Aztec land. I definitely need more and that is a priority. I need to get my settlers off my homeland and into the adjacent islands and I need to make more deliveries.

Having said that I usually work with a small navy and that is probably one of my weaknessses.

 

[Bestbank Tiger]

Having said that I usually work with a small navy and that is probably one of my weaknessses.

I always had trouble managing a navy too. Don't know if it's an actual weak spot in my game or if I'm just impatient--it takes a long time to build the caravans/freights and settlers/engineers, then load them onto a boat, then move across the water to another continent...

 

[Stegyre]

How did you manage to launch a space ship with only 62 techs?

I'd guess he left out a number of the early preliminaries. I usually try the same, avoiding the "military" techs until I can trade someone for Tac.

 

[LordValuna]

How did you manage to launch a space ship with only 62 techs?

Correction think the count is 87,
I probably didnt change from 1750 summary

 

[Sharkbait]

I'm pressed for time this month, so finished last night before being away from a keyboard for the rest of the month. Only way to play was conquest in those circumstances, so I adopted the usual crusader spree. A LOT of slogging east and west but finally managed to subdue them all. Persians were the hardest to get to given their large continent with messy terrain, but bought a few cities and built some boats on their inland sea. Made peace with them finally allowing me to find their last city. Not a particularly early finish (after 1000AD) given the distances but didn't have time to finish any other way. Would have been nice to get some of those huge trade bonuses I'm sure were about with a big ship chain, but might replay it if I get the chance.

 

[LordValuna]

b4000 Found Little Bighorn
3750 Col->Cer
3700 start mining wheat
3300 Cer->Bro
2950 Wounded Knee founed at hill (460,16) a mine city
2800 Bro->Mon
2400 Mon->Cur notice hut in orinal area has disappeared a while back, strange(i fugured out why)
2200 forgot to revolution earlier
2100 revoulution
2050 monarchy, pop hut near wounded knee, Map Making
1950 pop hut (454,8) Pot
1650 Cur->Tra
1600 pop hut(464,14) Seafaring
1550 build Cedar Creek @(451,13) a 4 special
1050 Tra->Mys
925 Slim Buttes founded @(465,19) a 3 special
900 Little Bighorn buils Collosus
775 Mys->Wri
550 Wri->Lit Slim buttes tries to disband, delay prod Little Bighorn builds Hanging Garden and celebrates WLTK
400 Lit->Phi
275 Rome build Lighthouse
250 Roman Trieme showbombards Slim buttes Ph result vet Ph
225 Phi Golden Age Hor->Pol
175 Stony Lake built off island at 446,18 its on a pheasant special if I wanted it
150 Marco Polo built @ Little Bighorn get Polythesism from Persians
125 start on Rep (Monothesiam unavailable)s
100 Persopolis (Per) builds Pyr
75 pop hut(438,18) warrior code
25 Car & Zul declare war on each other Rep->Mas Republic declared Get Masonary from Aztec in return for Trade also gifted them Lit
1ad Started Research on Con I think I forgot to take Mon Buy a Harbour for Little Bighorn
20 Grow to 7 at Little Bighorn which put us #1 in population, but this is the last turn of WLTK till we get monothesium
40 pop (428,10) ahorde of 9 barb horse, kill 1then my own horse will buy it. Revolution we are going back to Mon till we get MC built
120 Killdear founded @(447,7)
160 Con->Mon
240 pop hut (445,3) legion
260 Vikings build GL
400 Mon-Mat, Mat from Carthage threw in Republic for the map Get Iron Working and the Wheel from Vikings throw in Seafaring & Monothesium to get maps
Get Maps from the rest of the AI's except for Perisans who were hostile wanted 100g I said no & war. To get maps gave Rome Lit, Tra, Rep & Phil; Aztec Phil, SeaF, Mon, IronW, ConstVik get from GL), Wheel
440 Aztecs build GW
480 Little Bighorn builds MC
520 Revolution
540* Republic 0.60.40
560 Perians build Oracle. WLTK days start in 4 cities, tax rate set to 20.40.40
580 Slim Buttes grows to 3 and Starts Celebrating
600 Pop reaces 1M
640 Tax rate to 10.30.60 Three forks needs the 60% Luxuary to get to size 8
660 Tax Rate 20.60.20 end of celebrations 1 size 12 3 size 8 and 1 size 7 Powersupreme so since its MGE everybody Hostile. Found Bearpaw @(452.6)
Pop hut (440,12)3 Barb Horseman
720 Barb horse killed settler in Stoney Lake Pop decrease, I had just merge a settler to get it ti size 3 so it would celebrate
760 Tax rate set to 50.30.20 we need money for caravans for COP
820 WLTK in Killdeer, Med->Nav
880 Killdeer grows to 5 cancels WLTK Cop built at Little Bighorn
920 Taxrate 50.10.40 get two more cities & Killdear to celebrate
980 Build Shakes The at Little Bighorn, sell Temple
1000 trade Ast & Med for Banking & Eng with Aztec

 

[LordValuna]

1020* Tax Rate 20.60.20 end of celebrations, pop 3.2M
1040 Nav->University
1050 Build Big Mound @(435,13)
1060 Build Wood Lake @(460.24)
1080 Uni->San
1090 Zulu & Carthage make peace with each other
1110 Pop hut (273,1) none legion
1130 San->Inv
1150 Build Dead Buffalo @(458,6)
1160 Viking build KRC@Trondheim, Get invention from Aztec had to give them 3 techs and Vikings with GL too
1170 Barbarians land 2 Legions near TheeForks I rush a Crusader in Cedar Creek and move a dip there to deal with them, but there will be casulties
1200 REVOLUTION
1210 Democracy tax rate 40.60.0, pop hut (215,1) 100g
1240 Gun->Theory of Gravity
1250 Darn the Vikings are almost finished Leos Workshop. I dont think I can afford to rush build it so will go for SoL
1260 Hladir (Vik) builds Leonardo's Workshop
1270 Little Bighorn builds SoL, buy the last 2 aquaducts set tax rate to 40.20.40 milestone of 4 mil pop reached
1280 Theary of Gravity->Metallurgy 9 of 11 cities celebrate, pretty good
1290 Point of Roc built (455,21)
1300 Cedar Creek stops celebrating, I miscounted the happy guys there, 5.58 Mil pop
1310 Cedar Creek started cel as did Big mound, 6.5 mil pop, raise lux to 50% to get the 12th pop from the cities celebrating
1320 7.5 mil pop, tax rate 40.20.40
1330 WLTK in Dead Buffalo, a slew of cities stop celebrating, they are size 12 without sewers tax rate to 40.10.50, 8.1 mil pop
1340 Tax rate 40.20.40
1370 9.08 mil pop Little Bighorn maxes out at size 23
1380 Met->Con run into a Persian set in Northern Glacier 50 g or war, so its war, I hate MGE
1400 Isaac Newton's College built at Little Bighorn
1420 Explorer in Artic killed by Per Horse, Conscription->Feudalism Tax Rate set to 30.20.50 to get two cities to size 12
1450 Tax rate set to 40.40.20 as no more celebrating till sewers built Feu->The
1470 Point of Roc grows to 3 and celebrates
1490 The->Chi Tax rate set to 40.30.30 to get point of roc up to size 6
1500 Big mound celebrates at size 8
1505 Tax rate 30.30.40 pop 10.54 mil
1515 Chi->Leadership pop 11.15 mil tax rate 20.30.50
1525 Little Bighorn build JSB Cathederal
1530 Leadership->Tactics pop 13.55 mil Trade silk from Killdear->Little Bighorn
1545 Tactics->Bridge Building
1550 47g for Silk Three Forks to Little Bighorn, 180g for gold Wounded Knee to Killdeer
1555 pop 17.16 mil Tax-rate 20-20-60 discoveries every 4 turns
1560 Bridge building->Amp War that sucks it was my only choice
1565 pop 18.64 mil
1570 pop 19.33 mil
1575 Amp War->Economics
1580 pop 20.03 mil tax rate 20.50.30 as celebrations end
1585 Dibor (vik) builds Sun Tzu War Academy
1590 Economics->Bridge
1595 Bridge->Steam Engine, Beads Killdear-> Pompei 280g Silk Little Bighorn->Pompei 304g Coal Wounded Knee-> Pompei 162g
1600 Steam Engine->Chem will wait till AI discover Railroad before chosing that
1610 Chem->Explosives
1615 Explosives->Magnatism
1625 Magnetism->Railroad Revolution tax rate 0.40.60
1630 Communism tax rate 30.50.20
1635 Demand tribute from Aztec WAR Capture Tenochlitan it had 5 defenders ranging from Legion to warrior Ihad Cavaly, a Marine and a Crusader to walk in
1640 Teotihuacan captured two phalanx def
1645 Railroad->Electricity Capture Tlatelco Ph defending, Capture Texcoco again from Aztec ph def,
1650 Stoney Lake & Wounded Knee goes Civ Disorder, demand Tribute from Romans even though they are receptive its WAR, Vei(Rom) defended by a ph & a musket Falls, Silver deliver to Pompei from Bearpaw 312g
1655 Electicity->Atomic Theory (no choice) pop 22 mil, Wounded Knee->Veii Gold gives a lousy 42g go figure. My Caraval attacks Rom Tri and dies
1660 Atomic Theory->Industrialization->Refrigeration, Capture Tlaxcala 1 ph def, give Aztec a ceasefire, Industrilization and Conscription to get their map, # Cavalry attack Pompei kill 3 musketeer must did not capture
1665 Kill the last man A Warrior and capture Pompeii(Rom), Tribute from Aztec War, Size 1 city of Aztec raised, didnt catch the name
1675 Refrigeration->Comm(no choice) Killdeer->Little Bighorn Copper 92g, Capture Claixtlahuaca defended by 1 ph is last Aztec city
1680 Kaupang(Vik) builds Eiffil Tower
1685 Communism->Corporation, Capture Virconium(Rom) 2 muskets & a Trieme defending Revolution(o.40.60)
1690 Democracy(20,50,30) we could actually get science to 1 per turn if we set it a 100% a first for me
1695 Trade Big Mound->Tenochtitlan 95g for Coal, While attempting to kill a Barb Elephant I ran into a Roman city(Lutetia size 4) the senate gave a cease fire oh wells
1700 Corporation->Electronics
1710 Big surprise the MGE Romans broke the cease fire in a suicide attack of a Riflemna in a fort, Electronics->Espionage, Capture Lutetia(Roman) defended by 2 muskets
1720 Espionage->Steel
1730 Steel->Machine Tools
1735 Capture Lugdunum(Rome) 2 muskets defending
1740 Machine Tools->Refining, Cease Fire with the underhanded Romans darn that Senate
1745 Little Bighorn builds Hoover Dam
1750 Rome breaks cease fire already! Refining->Combustion, mine city founded Silver Moon @(456,12) completing home island cities
1754 Combustion->Automobile Ravenna(Rom) captured over 2 turns 3 musk & a caravel defending behind city walls
1758 Automobile->Genetic Engineering, 206g Gold Wounded Knee->Killdear
1762 Gen Eng->Mass Prod (missed Mob War)
1764 Byzantium(Rom) captured 1 musket defending, the Senate gives a ceasfire just as my transport approaches Pisae next turn
1766 Mass Prod->Mob Warfare
1770 Mobile War->Flight pop 24.16 mil tax rate to (30.40.30) gotta pay for the Battleship we bought, science every 3 turns
1774 Flight->Minaturization, Little Bighorn Builds UN not sure why I built it no one has tech I need, We give peace to Romans after all they will only break the treaty
Gems Bear Paw->Little Bighorn 68g
1776 Insite Rome withdraw troops - War, Pisae falls with just 1 musk I starved the other 2 out. Senate signs another cease fire, I go for peace its easier to piss off MGE AI, get my first look(spy) of Rome it has 5 defenders 2 mus 1 ph 2 war
1778 Miniturization->Computers Pop 25.25m , Insist Rome withdraw troops->War Rome captured Antium shorbombarded by Battleshipo Cav walks in, Senate OK peacekeeping
1780 pop 26.5m Incite revolt in Hispalis(Rom size 12) for 475g, Bombard Cumae destroying I think 5 muskets Cav walks in, Senate gives cease fire I give Peace, Trade Oil Killdeer->Bighorn 315g, change tax rate to (20,30sci,50lux)
1782 Computers->Recycling pop 29.07m, Find Brundisium only Roman city not on my map
1784 Disaster Little Bighorn stopped celebrating, buy Brundisium for 42g no incident, subvert Neapolis for abount 900g to destroy Rome, Hut (35,31) 100g
1786 Little Bighorn Started celebrating for some reason I wonder if all the units from LB that went to invade Rome were counting as just content and not happy
Environmentalism->Radio
1788 pop 36.78m, Great River founded on Whalex2Fish(8,30)
1790 built Univ Suffarage in Little Bighorn
1792 Radio->Adv Flight, pop 40.68m
1794 Pop 21.98m
1796 Adv Flight->Robotics, Trade Big Mound->Wood Lake 271 g for Oil,
1798 pop 44.18m
1800 Robotics->Rocketry Build Seti at Little Bighorn discoveries now every 2 turns every turn if set to 60% science, Trade Sliver Slim Buttes->Point of Roc 70g, Little Bighorn maxes out at 30.
1802 Rocketry->Space Flight pop 45.17m, I think Ive maxed out my civ score somewhere around here, Gems Wounded Knee-> Little Bighorn 99g, My Artic Legion killed by a sneak attack from Carthage, Oil Cedar Creek->Slim Buttes 95g
1806 sPACE FLIGHT->Environmentalism pop 47.43m,
1808 Environmentalism->Nuc Fission, pop 48.67m, Spice Big Mound->Pompeii 414g
1810 Drop single armour attacking Westness(Vik) kill a musket leaving a transport there for next turn
1812 Nuc Fission->Nuc Power, Westness(Vik) captured, if I set science to 50% I get one adv per turn I guess Ive built enough libraries this game
1814 Nuc Power->Plastics pop 52.1m, Gold Wounded knee->Killdeer 128g, Silk Slim Buttes->Antium 320g
1816 Viking steal Space Flight off me big deal, Plastics->Fund, Build Seven Bro(418,4)
1818 Fund->Laser I seem to be getting science every turn,pop 54.03m, for 452g I buy Jarlshof(Vik) spy achieved vet status, Little Bighorn went to size 31 with -1food, Little Bighorn builds Apollo
1822 Laser->Super Conductor, pop 56.25m, buy Empty size 1 city Lunde(Vik) 52g, Beads Killdear->Rome 164g
1824 Superconductor->Combined Arms
1826 Combined Arms->Fusion Power
1828 Oil Slim Buttes->Cumae 444g
1830 Fusion Power->Future Teck 1, Pop 59.13m, pop hut(471,29)5 Barb Cav and 1 dead sioux warrior!, Pop a hut(85,35) 50g
1832 Future Tech 1->Guerilla Warfare, Tax rate set to(20,20,60), Pop hut(469,35) 3 Barb Cav & 1 dead diplomat, Gems Point of Roc->Hispalis 452g
1832 Vikings Steal Plastics this is getting ridiculous I thought the Persians were the threat!
1834 Guerrilla Warfare->FT 2 Tax Rate(40,10,50) First Wind founded(438,18) pop 61,o6m
1836 Build Yellowtree(446,32) Build Chief Crag (35,13) Battleship destroy Vik Frigate&Transport
1838 FT2->Ft3 pop 63.45m
1840 Captur Trodhiem govt excapes to Hladir(which is near my initial invasion) Alpine Troop and Rifleman defending taken out by a Battleship then Armor walks in, Waltz into Roskilde killed 2 def last turn with 2 armour,
Senate passes peacekeeping resolution
1844 FT3->Lab Union, pop 69.04m, popped hut (393,33) 50g, Tax rate set to(30,10,60lux)
1846 pop a hut(399,33) rifleman not even a none, morning rock founded at (426,28), Gold Pisae->Rome 35g
1848 Labour Union->FT4, Launch Spaceship eta 1863, Coal Ravenna->Byzantium 24g, Naples founded (455,17), Silk Cedar Creek->Big Mound 50g, Silk Little Bighorn->Big Mound 123g, Oil Raging Brook->Tenochitlan 44g,
Vik Capital Hladir captured destroying Spaceship defended by 2 Alpine Troops & rifleman no city walls lost 1 armour, Birka(Vik) captured, buy Kaupang(Vik) for 600g capture Eiffel Tower
1849 Cloth Big Mound->Little Bighorn 123g, Silk Point of Roc->Big Mound 58g, Silk Wounded Knee->Big Mound 53g, Buy Uppsale(Vik) for 338g in revolt, Capture Aarhus(Vik) defended by 1 musket, Capture Skara(Vik) def by 1 musket
1850 FT4->FT5 pop 77.96m Jorvik(Vik) captured rifleman def, Oil Tenochtitlan->Point of Roc 306g, couple of smaller trades, Silk Bear Paw-> Tenochtitlan 86g, Silk Slim Buttes->Texcoco 112g
1851 pop 79.91m Silk Tlatel->Little Bighorn 162g, Silk Big Mound->Little Bighorn 123g, pop hut (407,29) rifleman, Isses founded (408,30), pop hut (117,35) fanatic(none), buy Odense(Vik) `136g, Viborg(Vik) captured over 2 turns
1852 Dog gone Vikings just built a Space Component I dont think they have a Capital!, FT5->Stealth, pop 82.39m, Oil Hispalis->Pompei 160g, Lindholm captured 2 defenders, Ravning Enge(Vik) captured Alpine&Rifleman def
and thats the end of the Vikings on this island cant effectivaly reach the other island in time, pop a hut 299,27 Adv Tribe size 3, pop a hut (297,33) 50g, pop s hut 111,33 rifleman
1853 pop 85.54m, Gems Tlaxcala->Little Bighorn 175g, Oil Tlaxcala->Little Bighorn 175g, Oil Tlateloco->Little Bighorn 167g, Oil Texcoco->Little Bighorn 203g, Silk Calixtla->Little Bighorn 154g
1854 Stealth->FT6, pop 89.57m, Buy Samaria(Per) for about 1100g
1855 FT6->FT7 pop 94.34m, Salt Three Forks->Tenoch 74g, a couple more small trades, pop hut (119,29) 50g
1856 pop 98.25m Senate signs Cease-Fire with Persians I give them peace, set tax to (30,20,50lux)
1857 FT7->FT8 pop 101m, insist Per withdraw troops War(even though there receptive, gotta love MGE)
1858 FT8->FT9 pop 103.79m
1859 pop 106.8m Udal(vik) captured, Jarrow(Vik) captured, Sigtuna(Vik) captured and for the last city of the vikings Larne(size 1) I buy it for 18g, I gave conscription to Persian and made peace with them in the hopes it will hold
as dont know if I can reach there main body of cities, it looks like thay have dragoons near Hamadan which I denuded of tanks to take out the Vikings now its just a spy defending with a musketeer nearby till a mech inf get built next turn
1860 FT9->FT10 pop 110.1m, my last 2 settlers join with Naples to make a size 3 city, Little Bighorn grows to 33 thanks to Food Caravans
1861 FT10->FT11 Founed Cremona (493,25) and found some more single cities
1862 FT11->FT12 FT12->FT13 Little Bighorn- Manhatten Proj! pop 117.09m found some cities with engineers not needed, pop a hut (254,13) get my usual Barbarians 5 partisans my spy escapes,
Insist Per withdraw troops->WAR Dariush Kabi captured
1863 land Alpa Centuri 10,000 colonists

 

[LordValuna]

Well consider that in GotM 66 on Diety Level I finished 1778 on King level finishing in 1863 has to be bad. Things did seem to go according to plan. So what went wrong?

I'd say not enough settlers/new cities early. I was only 3rd in population when I got Marco Polo(150BC)

I'd say I got caught up building wonders when I should have been building vans for trade, those wonders are so tempting. Also in the wonder building stage should have been spending all my money accelerating development

Then towards the later stages I had my luxury too high at the expense of science. More science & the earliear mentioned more trade, would have speeded up the tech and the space race.

 

[Peaster]

LV: Criticizing your games is a great way to improve. I agree with your conclusions. Though I'm no landing expert, IMO early growth and lots of overseas trade are the keys. Not sure you played worse in GOTM 67 than before - sometimes the map, hut luck, etc can affect your results. I also took longer in 67 than 66.

 

[Ali Ardavan]

Lord Valuna, here is my critic:
1. Mining the wheat as the first act of the none settler you kept was a bad idea. At the begining you should mostly be just building roads. Irrigating the wheat does actually provide an extra food and is justified in this case but roads come first. Mining it into silk should have been left for mid game.
2. You built your second city in -2950. That is quite late for this set up.
3. You built the last city in your home island in +1750. Why not sooner?

 

[Ali Ardavan]

+0020 King Richard built. T3L1S6. Domestic Dye to science city for its third route for 96.
+0060 Sanitation -> Chemistry.
+0100 Neyriz founded.
+0120 First university built in science city. Chemistry -> Theory of Gravity.
+0160 Vikings build Lighthouse. I build Copernicus. Laar founded.
+0180 Theory of Gravity -> Invention.
+0200 T3L3S4.
+0220 Dezful founded.
+0240 ShahReza, Abadan, Shushtar, Kerman founded.
+0260 Invention -> Democracy. Sanitation -> Roman -> maps.
+0280 Domestic offshore Silver for 110.
+0300 andimeshk founded.
+0320 Democracy -> Gunpowder. Khorramshahr founded.
+0340 Domestic offshore Dye for 84. Sanitation, Construction, Monarchy, Astronomy, Democracy, Iron Working -> Aztec (1) -> maps
Writing, University, Seafaring, Astronomy, Democracy -> Roman (2).
Viking (5) demanded 100g to talk; I refused; they declared war; so be it.
Many techs -> Persian (3), Carthaginian (0) -> maps
+0360 Revolution started. T2L6S2.
+0380 Democracy established. T2L2S6. Fasaa founded.
+0400 Gunpowder -> Metallurgy. Dye to Roman Neapolis for 124. Domestic offshore Beads from science city for 230.
+0420 Metallurgy -> Explosives. naayin founded.
+0460 Explosives -> Conscription. Domestic offshore Copper for 74.
+0480 Conscription -> Navigation. Salt, Silver to Roman Cumae for 292, 225. Domestic Dye for 22.
+0500 Leo built. Navigation -> Physics.

Status at +0500
Population: 7.91M; Cities: 27; Trade routes: 13D8F; Government: Democracy
Cost per turn: 63; Total advances: 38; Production: 206MT; 0 polluted tiles
Wonders: Pyramids, Colossus, Hanging Gardens, Marco, Michelangelo, King Richard, Copernicus, Leo.
Units: 17 Engineers (1 None), 28 Riflemen, 2 Crusaders, 4 Caravel, 1 Diplomat, 3 Caravans, 1 explorer.
Roman: 5 cities, 23 techs;
Zulu: 8 cities, 16 techs;
Viking: 11 cities, 16 techs; War with me; Lighthouse
Aztec: 3 cities, 22 techs;
Persian: 6 cities, 29 techs;
Carthaginian: 6 cities, 18 techs;

 

[LordValuna]

Lord Valuna, here is my critic:
1. Mining the wheat as the first act of the none settler you kept was a bad idea. At the begining you should mostly be just building roads. Irrigating the wheat does actually provide an extra food and is justified in this case but roads come first. Mining it into silk should have been left for mid game.
2. You built your second city in -2950. That is quite late for this set up.
3. You built the last city in your home island in +1750. Why not sooner?

1. Mining the Wheat is a bit extravagant I'll admit. I thought of it as a mini-Colosus getting an extra 2 trade arrows.
2. I built 2 warriors first(before settler), was that wrong? didnt really have the money to rush a settler, maybe rush a warrior as a first step
3. Yeah its just seemed like bad territory, but then that whats engineers are for, to fix the bad territory. When I did build it quickly grew, eventually reaching size 13. edit:I just calculated my GOTM score, very low I think the lack of building on the home island is just a symptom of my lack of building cities in general, just too few engineers/settlers built for this purpose

thanks steve

 

[Tigui]

It's a good start for me with 22 cities in 1 AD and I'm searching Democracy. I don't have a big army and I consacrated my production in devolopping. I hope that I'm going to realize an earlier landing. The map is impressive and when I exchanged my map with Persian it was like if it was an other world because it was very far.

Status at +0001
Population 2.03M Cities:22 Gouvernement: Republic
Cost per turn:1 Income:0 Total advances:25; Production: 74 MT
Science rates of 80% advances every 5 turns
Wonders: Hanging Gardens, Marco.
Units: 10 Settlers, 2 phalanx, 1 Archer, 2 Chariot, 5 crusaders, 4 trireme, 1 caravan, 1 explorer.
Roman: 8 cities, Peace, 12 techs, Colossus
Zulu: 4 cities, Peace, 9 techs
Vikings: 6 cities, Peace, 13 techs
Aztec: 2 cities, Peace, 10 techs
Persian: 5 cities, Peace, 16 techs
Carthagenians: 5 cities, 9 techs

 

[Ali Ardavan]

1. Mining the Wheat is a bit extravagant I'll admit. I thought of it as a mini-Colosus getting an extra 2 trade arrows.

Silk is very valuable indeed but at the begining your primary, if not the only, concern should be rapid expansion. Silk only gets you one food and slows your growth down. If I get a Silk, I do occasionally use it at the begining. But spending time creating one is certainly not warranted till later.

2. I built 2 warriors first(before settler), was that wrong?

One would have been sufficient. Producing a settler takes long enough to give your warrior a chance to explore the vicinity of your first city. Your primary goal for the warrior should be to locate the site of your next city. Meanwhile, if you are keeping a second None settler you should build a road towards that site allowing your settler to get there more quickly.

 

[Ali Ardavan]

I don't have a big army and I consacrated my production in devolopping. I hope that I'm going to realize an earlier landing.

Unless you are planing on conquering some of your neighbors, you do not need a big army for a landing.

 

[Ali Ardavan]

+0520 None Rifleman from hut. BandarAbbas founded.
+0540 Physics -> Atomic Theory.
+0580 Atomic Theory -> Magnetism. Sirjaan founded.
+0620 Zulu build Great Library. Magnetism -> Steam Engine. Shakespeare built. Hides to Aztec Teo for 76.
+0660 Steam Engine -> Electricity. Gunpowder -> Carthaginian -> Bridge Building. Domestic offshore Cloth for 115. 50g from hut.
+0680 Electricity -> Refrigeration. Spice to Roman Antium, Veii for 558, 462. Tus founded.
+0700 Refrigeration -> Fundamentalism.
+0720 Fundamentalism -> Horseback riding. Gunpowder -> Persian -> Horseback riding, maps Metallurgy -> Carthaginian (1) -> maps. Bostaan founded.
+0740 -> Railroad. Beads to Aztec Tlat for 240. Domestic offshore Coal for 137.
+0760 Railroad -> Warrior Code. Navigation -> Carthaginian -> Warrior Code.
+0780 -> Feudalism -> Theology. Domestic offshore Cloth for 78.
+0800 Magellan and Newton built.
+0820 Theology -> Chivalry. Domestic offshore Beads for 76.
+0840 Chivalry -> Leadership. Dye to Roman Veii for 254. Domestic offshore Dye, Spice, Cloth, Coal for 55, 88, 100, 105.
+0860 Leadership -> Tactics.
+0880 Bach built. Gems to Roman Rome for 304. Domestic offshore Cloth, Gold, Copper for 58, 84, 134. T2L3S5.
+0900 Tactics -> Amphibious Warfare. Adam Smith built. Ahvaaz and Kuhposht founded. Domestic offshore Dye for 123.
+0920 Amphibious Warfare -> Industrialization. 50g from hut. Dye to Roman Cumae for 222.
+0940 50g from hut.
+0960 Industrialization -> Corporation. Dashtestaan founded. Gems to Roman Veii for 424.
+0980 Corporation -> Steel. Spice to Roman Neapolis for 288. Map exchange with all but Zulu and Vikings. Gave away a few techs here and there too. Zulu got to Receptive after 4 tech gifts and wanted techs I did not want to give away yet; Vikings wanted 200g just to talk.
+1000 Steel -> Electronics.

Status at +1000
Population: 17.85M; Cities: 34; Trade routes: 37D16F; Government: Democracy
Cost per turn: 69; Total advances: 58; Production: 270MT; 0 polluted tiles
Wonders: Pyramids, Colossus, Hanging Gardens, Marco, Michelangelo, King Richard, Copernicus, Leo, Shakespeare, Magellan, Newton, Bach, Adam Smith.
Units: 24 Engineers (1 None), 29 Riflemen (1 None), 2 Cavalry, 5 Transport, 1 Diplomat, 17 Freight, 1 explorer.
Roman: 7 cities, 24 techs;
Zulu: 8 cities, 24 techs; Great Library
Viking: 12 cities, 18 techs; War with me; Lighthouse
Aztec: 3 cities, 25 techs;
Persian: 7 cities, 32 techs;
Carthaginian: 8 cities, 23 techs;

 

[LordValuna]

Well Ali, I took some of your suggestions on a retry, with significant improvement.

1000 ad...............Submit................Retry
cities................... 8........................30
population.............2.78m................. 8.98m
techs...................26.......................43

Still way behind your numbers, but it makes me look forward to next month and try out this strategy for real

thanks steve

 

[Peaster]

LV - Much better ! IMO you should also notice your stats earlier, say at 1AD. I bet you can make 20 cities by then [doubling every 20 turns or sooner, until about 1AD], maybe with a few overseas delivieries, too. Then, meeting your other goals, such as Wonders and techs, will probably be easier.

 

[Ali Ardavan]

I played till +1250 over the weekend. Space race just got started. In terms of the number of turns, this is the earliest ever for me. It came at the price of further expansion though; I added only 10 cities in 25 turns.

+1010 Electronics -> Refining. Tabas founded. Silk to Carthaginian Utica for 822 establishes the first trade route to them. Silk to Roman Cumae for 498.
+1020 Refining -> Machine Tools.
+1030 Machine Tools -> Combustion. First factories built. Gold to Carthaginian Carthage for 935
+1040 Combustion -> Automobile. None musketeer from hut near Carthage. Silk to Carthaginian Panormus for 846. T7L3S0.
+1050 Automobile -> Miniaturization. Silk to Carthaginian Leptis Parva for 966. Domesitc offshore Coal for 162. T4L3S3.
+1060 Miniaturization -> Mass Production. Nishapur founded. Silk to Carthaginian Rusicade for 981. 50g from Carthaginian hut. T2L3S5.
+1070 Mass Production -> Computers. First offshore platforms built. None Musketeer from Carthaginian hut.
+1080 Computers -> Nuclear Fission. Beads to Carthaginian Malaca for 1012. T5L3S2.
+1090 Nuclear Fission -> Nuclear Power. SETI built. First Superhighways built in science city. Kuhsar founded. 200g from Carthaginian hut. Copper, Spice to Roman Neapolis for 88, 390. T1L3S6.
+1100 Nuclear Power -> Genetic Engineering -> Recycling. Zahedaan founded.
+1110 Romans build Statue of Libertry. Recycling -> Mobile Warfare. Domestic offshore Coal for 307.
+1120 Mobile Warfare -> Robotics. T4L3S3.
+1130 Robotics -> Laser.
+1140 Laser -> Communism. T5L3S2. Industrialization -> Roman -> maps. Tactics -> Zulu -> maps. Computers -> Aztec -> maps. Persian, Carthaginian -> maps. After spending all my money Vikings want Mobile warfare just to talk. I refused.
+1150 Communism -> Guerrilla Warfare. Silk to Carthaginian Malaca for 1134. 100g from polar hut.
+1160 Guerrilla Warfare -> Labor Union. Beads, Salt to Roman Pompeii for 332, 384. 50g from hut. Babol founded. T2L3S5.
+1170 Labor Union -> Espionage -> Flight. Silk to Roman Veii for 642. Kish founded.
+1180 Flight -> Radio. Beads to Roman Pisae for 243. Amol and Saari founded. T1L3S6.
+1190 Radio -> Advanced Flight -> Rocketry. Silk to Zulu Zimbabwe for 1226. Aztec embassy established. Silk to Roman Veii for 624.
+1200 Rocketry -> Space Flight -> Plastics. Cure for Cancer built. T3L3S4.
+1210 Plastics -> Combined Arms. Wide spread celebrations. Rasht founded.
+1220 Combined Arms -> Superconductor. Hoover dam built. Salt to Roman Cumae for 432. 50g from hut.
+1230 Superconductor -> Fusion Power. Apollo built. 100g from hut. Silver to Carthaginian Utica for 297.
+1240 Fusion Power -> Environmentalism. Space race starts. Coal to Aztec Tenochtitlan for 194. Salt to Carthaginian Carthage for 320.
+1250 Environmentalism -> Stealth. None fanatic from hut. Kuhpaaye founded. Domestic offshore Oil for 206. Wool to Aztec Tlat for 182.

Status at +1250
Population: 46.97M; Cities: 44; Trade routes: 43D32F; Government: Democracy
Cost per turn: 319; Total advances: 87; Production: 842MT; 0 polluted tiles
Wonders: Pyramids, Colossus, Hanging Gardens, Marco, Michelangelo, King Richard, Copernicus, Leo, Shakespeare, Magellan, Newton, Bach, Adam Smith, SETI, Cure for Cancer, Hoover, Apollo.
Units: 27 Engineers (1 None), 2 None Musketeers, 1 None Fanatics, 29 Riflemen (1 None), 1 Mech Infantry, 2 Cavalry, 5 Transports, 1 Diplomat, 4 Spy, 19 Freight, 1 Explorer.
Roman: No embassy; Statue of Libertry
Zulu: No embassy; Great Library
Viking: No embassy; War with me; Lighthouse
Aztec: 4 cities, 29 techs;
Persian: No embassy;
Carthaginian: No embassy;