GOTM 82 Spoiler

[Magic_gorter]

turn 102: 20AD >2M
turn 103: 40AD Crete+Verona
turn 104: 60AD -
turn 105: 80AD -
turn 106: 100AD -
turn 107: 120AD -
turn 108: 140AD Salamis
turn 109: 160AD Lisbon
turn 110: 180AD -
turn 111: 200AD Sanitation->Mathematics
turn 112: 220AD sewer system in Berlin / Hamburg+Prague
turn 113: 240AD Berlin builds Shakespeare's Theatre / car 630g
turn 114: 260AD Mathematics->Astronomy / Salzburg+Bergen
turn 115: 280AD >3M / Venice
turn 116: 300AD Berlin builds Library / Milan
turn 117: 320AD trade for Polytheism
turn 118: 340AD Berlin builds Bank / car 676g
turn 119: 360AD Astronomy->Monotheism / >4M / Ghent
turn 120: 380AD Pisa
turn 121: 400AD Berlin builds Copernicus' Observatory / Dublin
turn 122: 420AD -
turn 123: 440AD Monotheism->University / >5M / Toronto
turn 124: 460AD Melbourne
turn 125: 480AD -
turn 126: 500AD University->Theory of Gravity / 452g

Status at +0500
Population: 5,74M; Cities: 39; Trade routes: 4D0F; Government: Republic
Money: 90 gold; Cost per turn: 14; Total advances: 31; Production: 132MT; 0 polluted tiles
Wonders: Pyramids, Hanging Gardens, Colossus, Marco Polo, Copernicus' Observatory, Shakespeare's Theaatre
Units: 21 settlers, 6 trireme, 1 diplomat, 2 caravan
Romans: Receptive, Peace, 102g, 5 cities
Babylonians: Enthusiastic, Peace, 245g, 3 cities
Spanish: Receptive, Peace, 283 gold, 5 cities
Americans: Enthusiastic, Peace, 247 gold, 5 cities
Carthaginians: Receptive, Peace, 252 gold, 2 cities

 

[grigor]

Banach - I can't play these days because of MacOSX issues, but I enjoyed your massive empire very much. I thought you did an excellent job building your civ, especially from the middle game on. I have a few suggestions for the early game, which was always my best part

It was pusillanimous of Duke to not give the Germans a military unit. And I think he was tempting us with the whale. Even so, I think you settled too soon. There are two river complexes and one of them could have used the whale also, plus the southern one looked large from the opening position. One of them could well have had a forest hex. The added arrow from the river tile is very noticeable in the early game, and the advantage of a forest hex is of course production, and in particular the ability to turn the size 1 settler trick which would have put you many moves ahead. I would have gone south to get started on the big river system - of course I have no idea how that would have turned out. IMHO there was no real need to worry about barbs on King level for a while.

Solo's guide is fascinating, but it was never revised after 6 months of comparison games. We learned a bunch of things from that. Prioritizing Trade and MPE emerged as the single fastest strategy - even before Map making - one of the AI will usually have MM and will be happy to trade it. I sometimes got MPE by 1400 BC, but it usually was too early - about 1100 BC seemed to maximize its utility.

Also, some months later Slow Thinker posted a heretical EL game in which he built Pyramids (!) and expanded like crazy only beginning serious moves towards trade and conquest in about 1AD. It's somewhere on Apolyton. For me that turned the lean, elegant Solo approach on its head.

The advantages of Monarchy are that you get there sooner and have better production. Early republic does not put you in position to take advantage of WLTCD, because your cities are too small to celebrate to size 7. And the production hit is murder. You get more efficient trade advantage out of more cities faster, especially on King.

So I think you would have gotten your core set up more efficiently by (1) moving to one of the river complexes, (2) using the size 1 settler trick if possible, (3) beelining Monarchy, then Trade, (4) Build MPE by about 1100BC, (5) spend no time building anything but Settlers and caravans before MPE, and avoid building roads until 1500BC unless you can see a clear turn-saving movement advantage, (6) Build HG instead of temples. I couldn't see whether you built it at all.

I wish I could play this one

 

[Banach]

Banach - I can't play these days because of MacOSX issues, but I enjoyed your massive empire very much. I thought you did an excellent job building your civ, especially from the middle game on. I have a few suggestions for the early game, which was always my best part

So I think you would have gotten your core set up more efficiently by (1) moving to one of the river complexes, (2) using the size 1 settler trick if possible, (3) beelining Monarchy, then Trade, (4) Build MPE by about 1100BC, (5) spend no time building anything but Settlers and caravans before MPE, and avoid building roads until 1500BC unless you can see a clear turn-saving movement advantage, (6) Build HG instead of temples. I couldn't see whether you built it at all.

I wish I could play this one

Thanks Grigor! Don't see you posting on here very often, but I very much appreciate your praise and suggestions. I've always considered you to be an excellent EC player, which entails great early game skills. Since I know that's my weak point, I'll follow your advice closely next game, and hopefully land MUCH earlier. No, didn't build Hanging Gardens-will try next time. Sorry to hear about your MacOSX issues. Hopefully you can join back in at some point. I think I might play another game with these settings and try to apply your suggestions. I really need to focus and land before 1000 AD. I believe I've lost the EL challenge I issued for this GOTM, but there's always next month. Hopefully, with your input, I may be successful!

 

[ccAMELS73]

Well, I just finished and I must say that I am pleased with my final results.
While I wasnt competitive with Banach or Magic for landing date, I did land alot sooner than I have any other time! With a LOT more fine tuning I think I can make a good competitor for EL. Thanks Banach for the trading tips (and anything else I might have gleaned from you )

 

[CharlieChuck]

I'm getting closer to landing, however I'm not going to beat your landing dates. I'm on about 1420 with about 9 techs left to learn. I'm getting a tech every turn through trading, and 40% science, but it's not going to be enough to launch at 1500ad. I think I lost my way a bit between 0-1000ad, I probably should have gone for magellans and democracy quicker, I always seem to struggle under Republic.

I've got quite a large civ so far, and I'll probably try and boost my score by building a bigger ship. I've had no conflict of any sort with other civs and only 1 or 2 barb incidents.

 

[Ali Ardavan]

+0520 Barbarian legion land on my island.
Roman (5) -> 50g. Spanish (4) -> 100g
Philosophy, Construction -> Babylonian (1)
Philosophy -> Carthaginian (3) -> 50g
+0540 Shakespeare University Temple sold. T2L0S8
+0560 Sewer Carthaginians build Hanging Gardens
+0580 T0L2S8. American (6) -> 100g
Spanish (3) -> 50g. Carthaginian (4) -> 100g
+0600 Berlin celebrates
+0620 Caravan Berlin is size 13. T0L3S7
+0640 Berlin is size 14. Spanish (3) -> 50g. Sanitation -> Roman (5) -> Seafaring, 150g.
+0660 Caravan Berlin is size 15.
+0680 Berlin is size 16
+0700 Caravan Berlin is size 17. Spanish (3) -> 0g
+0720 Economics Berlin is size 18. Power jumped to Strong
Sanitation, Seafaring -> American (6) -> 50g
+0740 Caravan Berlin is size 19.
+0760 Berlin is size 20
+0780 Caravan Berlin is size 21 and for now out of food. T2L0S8
+0820 Copernicus 100 shields bought.
+0840 Harbor Theory of Gravity Power is still Strong.
+0880 Barbarian legion killed in attack on my Phalanx in fort.
+0900 University Chemistry Seafaring -> Spanish (2). Astronomy, Economics -> American (6) -> 100g.
Wheel -> Roman (5) -> 50g. T0L3S7
+0920 Barbarians Legion lands on my island.
Berlin celebrates. Roman (5) -> 50g
+0940 Bank Berlin is size 22
+0960 Invention Berlin is size 23 and unable to continue celebration. T2L0S8
+0980 Undemanded Dye to New York for 496
+1000 Caravan Democracy Salt to Washington for 554.

Status at +1000
City Size: 23 Government: Republic Gold: 1434 Techs: 31 Trade routes: +11x3
Structures: Marketplace, Library, Aqueduct, Bank, University, Sewer, Harbor
Wonders: Colossus, Marco, Copernicus, Shakespeare
Units: 1 Settler, 1 Phalanx, 1 Trireme, 1 Diplomat, 1 Caravan
Romans: 7 cities, 27 tech; Allied with me; Great Library
Babylonians: 4 cities, 18 tech; Allied with me,
Spanish: 5 cities, 22 tech; Allied with me
Americans: 7 cities, 25 tech; Allied with me; Pyramids
Carthaginians: 5 cities, 20 tech; Allied with me, Hanging Gardens

+1010 Navigation Democracy established. T0L0S10
Roman (5) -> 50g.
+1020 Caravan American (6) -> 0g. Chemistry -> Spanish (2), Carthaginian (3)
+1030 Physics
+1040 Caravan Roman (5) -> 50g. American (6) -> 0g.
+1050 Magnetism Democracy -> American (6)
+1060 Caravan American (6) -> 50g.
+1070 -> Galleon Gunpowder Roman (5) -> 50g.
+1080 City Walls Barbarian trireme parks next to Berlin
+1090 Metallurgy Americans build Great Wall
Invention -> Roman, Babylonian, American
Navigation -> Spanish, Carthaginian
+1100 Newton Navigation -> American. 250 shields bought
+1110 Stock Exchange Electricity Power down to Moderate. T2L0S8.
2 barbarian legions bought for 82 each. Metallurgy -> Spanish (2). Roman (5) -> 100 American (6) -> 75. Carthaginian (4) -> 50g.
+1120 Caravan Power down to Inadequate. T4L0S6
Spanish (3) -> 50g.
+1130 Caravan Refrigeration T3L0S7. Last of military units disbanded
+1140 Granary Spanish (3) -> 100g. Roman (5) -> 150g American (6) -> 150. Carthaginian (4) -> 50.
+1150 -> Supermarket Conscription Power jumped to Strong. T2L0S8. Gunpowder to all but Babylonians who after Sanitation and Seafaring still did not ask for it
+1160 Roman -> 50g.
+1170 Rifleman Explosives Wool to Veii for 600
+1180 Atomic Theory T0L2S8
+1190 Caravan Berlin celebrates. Trireme disbanded.
+1200 Caravan Steam Engine Berlin is size 24.
+1210 Berlin is size 25. Conscription -> Roman (6) -> 0g. Conscription -> American (5) -> 50g
+1220 Caravan Railroad Berlin is size 26.
+1230 Berlin is size 27
+1240 Caravan Industrialization Berlin is size 28 and out of food. T2L0S8.
Roman (5) -> 25g. American (6) -> 100g
+1260 Caravan Corporation
+1280 Freight Electronics Roman (6) -> 50g. American (5) -> 50g
+1300 Freight Refining T1L0S9
+1320 Freight Combustion T0L0S10
Roman (6) -> 100g. American (5) -> 50g
+1340 Freight Steel Silver to Cumae for 600. Industrialization -> all. Conscription -> Carthaginian (2)
Physics -> Spanish (3)
+1360 Freight Automobile Romans build Leo.
+1370 Temple
+1380 -> Superhighways Mass Production Power still Strong. All but Railroad -> American (5) -> Monotheism.
+1390 Temple That stupid gift of theirs cost me a tech which I missed by 21 beakers.
Steam Engine -> Roman (5) -> Chivalry, 0g
+1400 -> Mass Transit Leadership T3L0S7
+1410 Factory Physics -> Roman (5) -> Leadership, 25g
+1430 Battleship Machine Tools
+1450 Miniaturization Roman (5) -> 25g. American (6) -> 100g
+1460 Spanish build Sun Tzu
+1470 Computers
+1490 Research Lab Mobile Warfare Steam Engine -> Carthaginian (2)

Status at +1500
City Size: 28 Government: Democracy Gold: 2404 Techs: 59 Trade routes: 3x21
Structures: Marketplace, Library, City walls, Harbor, Aqueduct, Sewer, Bank, University, Supermarket, Mass Transit, Factory, Stock Exchange, Superhighways
Wonders: Colossus, Marco, Shakespeare, Copernicus, Newton
Units: 1 Settler, 1 Rifleman, 1 Galleon, 1 Battleship, 1 Diplomat, 6 Caravans, 5 Freight
Romans: 9 cities, 44 tech; Allied with me; Great Library, Leo
Babylonians: 6 cities, 32 tech; Allied with me,
Spanish: 7 cities, 35 tech; Allied with me; Sun Tzu
Americans: 9 cities, 54 tech; Allied with me; Pyramids, Great Wall
Carthaginians: 6 cities, 33 tech; Allied with me, Hanging Gardens

 

[Banach]

+1360 Freight Automobile Romans build Leo.
+1370 Temple
+1380 -> Superhighways Mass Production Power still Strong. All but

I'm humbled. I was playing for landing and got automobile around 1300 AD. You got it not much later with only once city. Quite amazing, Ali. Looks like I have a lot of improvement to do before I can be competitive with you. Fortunately, I got some input from Grigor and think I can do much better next time. Good job!

 

[Ali Ardavan]

Thanks for the compliment, Banach. This game went pretty well. I am one of the more prolific OCC players, but I am sure ElephantU and TimTheEnchanter can beat me any time.

 

[Ali Ardavan]

+1505 Temple Recycling Romans discover Railroad. T0L0S10
All but Computers -> American (6) -> Horse back riding. Railroad -> All
+1510 -> Recycling Center Robotics Recycling -> American (6)
Tactics -> Roman (5) -> 50g
+1515 Offshore Platform Nuclear Fission American (6) -> 100g
+1520 Nuclear Power T5L0S5
+1525 Power dropped to Moderate. Mobile Warfare -> Spanish (4).
+1530 Spanish (4) -> 50g. American (6) -> 150g
Roman (5) -> 100g
+1535 Laser T1L0S9
+1540 Nuclear Plant Power jumped to Strong
+1545 Flight Roman (5) -> 50g. American (6) -> 100g
T2L2S6
+1550 Americans build Suffrage. Carthaginians switch to Darwin without warning and finish it right away. I was planing on building it after Flight. Berlin Celebrates
+1555 Radio Berlin is size 29. T0L2S8
+1560 Manufacturing Pl. Berlin is size 30.
+1565 Advanced Flight Berlin is size 31. Roman (5) -> 50g. American (6) -> 100g
+1570 Berlin is size 32 and maxed out. T2L0S8. Sewer sold. Mobile Warfare -> Roman (5)
+1575 Rocketry
+1580 Roman (5) -> 50g. American (6) -> 50g
+1585 SAM Space Flight Aqueduct sold.
+1595 Apollo Plastics Babylonians build Magellan
+1600 SS Structural Spanish build Eiffel.
Power dropped to Moderate.
+1605 SS Structural
+1610 SS Structural Superconductor T10L0S0
+1615 SS Component
+1620 SS Component
+1625 SS Component
+1630 SS Component
+1635 SS Component
+1640 SS Component Power down to Inadequate
+1645 SS Structural T1L0S9
+1650 SS Structural
+1655 SS Structural Fusion Power
+1660 SS Structural
+1665 SS Structural Future Tech 1 T10L0S0
+1670 SS Structural
+1675 SS Structural
+1680 SS Structural
+1685 SS Structural
+1690 SS Structural
+1695 SS Structural
+1700 SS Structural
+1705 SS Module
+1710 SS Module
+1715 SS Module Recycling center sold. Galleon disbanded
T1L0S9
+1720 Armor 15s3c1m space ship launched.
+1721 Recycling Center Power dropped to Weak
+1722 Future Tech 2
+1723
+1724 Freight
+1725 Transport Future Tech 3
+1726 Airport
+1728 Future Tech 4 Undemanded Hides to Caralis for 214.
+1729 Alpine
+1730 Freight
+1731 Freight Future Tech 5
+1732 Freight
+1733 Freight
+1734 Freight Future Tech 6 T0L10S0
+1735 Space ship arrives. Carthaginians build UN

 

[Magic_gorter]

Try to finish this GOTM-game tonight. But will first post my log till 1000 ad. Only a few turns to play left....so finishing should not be a problem tonight.

turn 127: 520AD Sydney+Berlin
turn 128: 540AD Theory of Gravity->Navigation / >6M / Leipzig+Hamburg
turn 129: 560AD -
turn 130: 580AD Berlin builds Michelangelo's Chapel / 340g
turn 131: 600AD Navigation->Invention / Konigsberg+Frankfurt / 160g
turn 132: 620AD -
turn 133: 640AD >7M / Munich+Heidelburg
turn 134: 660AD Invention->Democracy / Nuremberg+Cologne
turn 135: 680AD Hannover+Bremen
turn 136: 700AD Berlin builds University / Stuttgart
turn 137: 720AD Berlin builds Isaac Newton's College
turn 138: 740AD Democracy->Gunpowder / Bonn
turn 139: 760AD Salzburg+Dortmund
turn 140: 780AD DEMOCRACY / Brandenburg
turn 141: 800AD Gunpowder->Chemistry / >8M / Naples
turn 142: 820AD Issus
turn 143: 840AD Chemistry->Explosives / 640g / Cunaxa+Cremona
turn 144: 860AD Cannae+Capua
turn 145: 880AD Explosives->Economics
turn 146: 900AD Berlin builds Leonardo's Workshop / Turin+Genoa+Crete
turn 147: 920AD Economics->Physics / >9M / Verona+Salamis
turn 148: 940AD Lisbon+Hamburg
turn 149: 960AD Physics->Magnetism / Prague+Salzburg+Bergen
turn 150: 980AD Magnetism->Steam Engine / >10M
turn 151:1000AD Venice / 104g

Status at +1000
Population: 10,21M; Cities: 73; Trade routes: ?; Government: Democracy
Money: 173 gold; Cost per turn: 23; Total advances: 41; Production: 265MT; 0 polluted tiles
Wonders: Pyramids, Hanging Gardens, Colossus, Marco Polo, Michelangelo's Chapel, Copernicus' Observatory, Shakespeare's Theatre, Leonardo's Workshop, Isaac Newton's College
Units: 28 settlers, 6 galleon, 1 diplomat, 10 caravan
Romans: Uncooperative, Peace, 99g, 6 cities
Babylonians: Enthusiastic, Peace, 315g, 3 cities
Spanish: Neutral, Peace, 321 gold, 6 cities
Americans: Enthusiastic, Peace, 371 gold, 5 cities
Carthaginians: Icy, Peace, 364 gold, 3 cities

 

[Magic_gorter]

Finished the game. Went not bad at all. Here's the last part of my log.

turn 152:1010AD Steam Engine->Metallurgy /Milan+Ghent+Pisa+Dublin+Toronto
turn 153:1020AD Melbourne+Sydney+Berlin
turn 154:1030AD Metallurgy->Electricity / Leipzig / 82g
turn 155:1040AD >11M / Hamburg / 894g
turn 156:1050AD Electricity->Railroad / Berlin builds Stock Exchange / Konigsberg+Frankfurt+Munich
turn 157:1060AD Heidelburg+Nuremberg+Cologne+Hannover
turn 158:1070AD Railroad->Industrialization / >12M / 102g / Bremen+Stuttgart
turn 159:1080AD Bonn+Salzburg
turn 160:1090AD Industrialization->The Corporation / 58g+58g
turn 161:1100AD The Corporation->Refining / Dortmund / 330g
turn 162:1110AD >13M / 124g+260g+140g / Brandenburg
turn 163:1120AD Refining->Steel / 76g+282g+116g+396g+58g / Naples
turn 164:1130AD Steel->Combustion / Issus+Cunaxa / 100g+184g+215g+415g+130g+118g
turn 165:1140AD Combustion->Automobile / Berlin builds Adam Smith's Trading Co. / Cremona+Cannae / 300g+350g+195g+114g
turn 166:1150AD Automobile->Refrigeration / >14M / Capua / 204g+148g+255g / bribed Chicago / Turin+Genoa
turn 167:1160AD lost Capua to Americans / Refrigeration->Electronics / 68g / Crete
turn 168:1170AD lost Canae to Americans / 650g / Verona+Salamis
turn 169:1180AD Electronics->Mass Production / Berlin builds Superhighways / Lisbon+Hamburg / 132g
turn 170:1190AD Mass Production->Conscription / >15M / Prague+Salzburg+Bergen / 228g
turn 171:1200AD Venice+Milan+Ghent
turn 172:1210AD Conscription->Feudalism / >16M / Feudalism via trade / Pisa+Dublin+Toronto+Melbourne
turn 173:1220AD ->Chivalry / Berlin builds Supermarket / Sydney+Berlin+Leipzig+Hamburg / 104g+328g
turn 174:1230AD Chivalry->Leadership / >17M / 436g+480g+350g+330g / Konigsberg+Frankfurt+Munich
turn 175:1240AD Leadership->Tactics / Heidelburg+Nuremberg+Cologne / 245g+410g+258g+275g
turn 176:1250AD Tactics->Machine Tools->Miniaturization->Computers / Berlin builds Darwin's Voyage / >18M / 1080g+90g+460g+100g / Hannover

Status at +1250
Population: 18,41M; Cities: 129; Trade routes: ?; Government: Democracy
Money: 969 gold; Cost per turn: 62; Total advances: 61; Production: 448MT; 0 polluted tiles
Wonders: Pyramids, Hanging Gardens, Colossus, Marco Polo, Michelangelo's Chapel, Copernicus' Observatory, Shakespeare's Theatre, Leonardo's Workshop, Isaac Newton's College, Adam Smith's Trading Co., Darwin's Voyage
Units: 56 settlers, 1 phalanx, 2 musketeer, 1 cannon, 1 destroyer, 7 transport, 5 diplomat, 6 caravan
Romans: Enthausiastic, Peace, 132g, 7 cities
Babylonians: Enthusiastic, Peace, 366g, 3 cities
Spanish: Enthusiastic, Peace, 699 gold, 6 cities
Americans: Receptive, Cease Fire, 829 gold, 5 cities
Carthaginians: Enthusiastic, Peace, 571 gold, 3 cities

turn 177:1260AD Computers->Theology / >19M / Bremen / 156g+152g+96g+96g+84g+220g
turn 178:1270AD Theology->Atomic Theory / 116g+115g+355g+336g+305g / Stuttgart+Bonn+Salzburg+Dortmund
turn 179:1280AD >20M / Brandenburg+Naples / 58g+738g
turn 180:1290AD Atomic Theory->Nuclear Fission / >21M / 468g+100g+170g+265g+208g+465+146g+136g / Issus+Cunaxa+Cremona+Cannae+Capua
turn 181:1300AD Nuclear Fission->Nuclear Power / Berlin builds SETI Program / >22M / Turin+Genoa / 378g+108g
turn 182:1310AD Nuclear Power->The Laser / >23M / 90g+426g+172g+230g+168g+260g+444g+414g / Crete+Verona+Salamis+Lisbon+Hamburg+Prague
turn 183:1320AD Berlin builds J.S. Bach's Cathedral / The Laser->Flight / >24M / Salzburg+Bergen / 648g+240g+124g+82g+390g+196g+184g
turn 184:1330AD Flight->Radio / >25M / Venice / 254g+230g+294g
turn 185:1340AD >26M / 1152g+47g+95g+155g+230g+95g+230g+168g / Milan+Ghent
turn 186:1350AD Radio->Advanced Flight / >28M / Pisa+Dublin / 168g+288g+616g+144g+152g+304g+139g+206g+137g+50g+28g+60g+38g+251g
turn 187:1360AD Advanced Flight->Rocketry / >30M /137g+147g+237g+115g+476g+302g+296g+215g+264g+227g / Toronto+Melbourne
turn 188:1370AD Rocketry->Space Flight / >33M / 200g+219g+360g+93g+208g+428g+136g+542g+122g+248g+195g+200g / bribed Barcelona
turn 189:1380AD Space Flight->Plastics / >35M / Sydney / 176g+139g+52g+422g+536g+107g+38g+344g+133g+176g+117g
turn 190:1390AD Plastics->Superconductor / >38M / Berlin+Leipzig+Hamburg+Konigsberg+Frankfurt /40g+207g+174g+179g+504g+96g+61g+150g+63g+262g+274g+1272g+272g+356g
turn 191:1400AD Superconductor->Fusion Power / Apollo Program build in Issus / >40M / Munich+Heidelburg / 277g+272g+260g
turn 192:1410AD >42M / 134g+182g+126g+1338g / Nuremberg
turn 193:1420AD >44M / Cologne / 452g
turn 194:1430AD Fusion Power->Genetic Engineering / >45M / 1356g+779g / Hannover
turn 195:1440AD 1356g+404g
turn 196:1450AD Genetic Engineering->Recycling / >46M / Bremen+Stuttgart / 1356g+552g+750g+324g+352g
turn 197:1460AD >47M / LAUNCH (1471) / Atlanta bribed / Bonn+Salzburg / 267g+227g+816g+136g+206g / bribed New York
turn 198:1461AD Recycling->Mobile Warfare / >49M / bribed Philadelphia
turn 199:1462AD >51M / capture Washington with Magellan's Expedition, statue of Liberty, Great Library and King Richard's Crusade / capture Boston / 518g+344g+170g+86g+600g+320g
turn 200:1463AD Cunaxa builds Cure for Cancer and Heidelburg builds Hoover Dam / >53M / 1224g+71g
turn 201:1464AD >57M / 608g+224g / Caralis bribed / Dortmund / 405g+206g+340g+304g+932g+578g
turn 202:1465AD Cunaxa builds Lighthouse / Mobile Warfare->FT 1 / >65M / bribed Utica+Malaca / Brandenburg / 117g+110g+160g+248g+515g+290g+750g+452+152g+211g+92g
turn 203:1466AD >73M / Naples / 315g+716g+518g+726g+654g+199g+204g
turn 204:1467AD FT1->Communism / >82M / Issus / 216g+716g+240g+452g+264g+504g+222g+50g
turn 205:1468AD >90M / 324g+536g+178g+124g+172g+270g+716g+1398g+69g+25g+540g
turn 206:1469AD Communism->FT2 / >97M / capture Carthage (278g) {Carthaginians destroyed} / 536g+716g+1398g+180g+180g+272g+186g+612g / bribed Salamanca
turn 207:1470AD Manhattan Project, Eiffel Tower, United Nations, Women's Suffrage, Oracle build / >103M / 184g+102g+334g+536g+716g+518g+79g+588g / bribed Toledo+Cordoba

Status at +1470
Population: 108,54M; Cities: 190; Trade routes: ?; Government: Democracy
Money: 336 gold; Cost per turn: 340; Total advances: 79; Production: 1127MT; 0 polluted tiles
Wonders: All except Great Wall and Sun Tzu's War Academy
Romans: Receptive, Peace, 253g, 8 cities
Babylonians: Receptive, Peace, 533g, 3 cities
Spanish: Receptive, Peace, 1278 gold, 3 cities
Americans: Cordial, Cease Fire, 142 gold, 1 city
English: Receptive, 0 gold, 1 city


LANDED IN 1471

 

[Banach]

Finished the game. Went not bad at all. Here's the last part of my log.

Status at +1470
Population: 108,54M; Cities: 190; Trade routes: ?; Government: Democracy
Money: 336 gold; Cost per turn: 340; Total advances: 79; Production: 1127MT; 0 polluted tiles
Wonders: All except Great Wall and Sun Tzu's War Academy
Romans: Receptive, Peace, 253g, 8 cities
Babylonians: Receptive, Peace, 533g, 3 cities
Spanish: Receptive, Peace, 1278 gold, 3 cities
Americans: Cordial, Cease Fire, 142 gold, 1 city
English: Receptive, 0 gold, 1 city

LANDED IN 1471

First of all, Good job! You landed earlier than me, so I'll have to try harder on the next GOTM. Second of all, wow. 190 cities? You managed quite an enormous empire, Magic_gorter. I only had 15 cities. Hope you enjoyed this game of the month as much as I did. Next month I'm going to try to run hyper-expansion as perfectly as I can post-automobile. We'll see how it works out.

 

[Magic_gorter]

Thanks Banach. I play a little different lately when I play EL cause I also try to get a good GOTM score. This is the main reason to play with big empires. And after missing purple I had no other choise then a big empire (knowing that harder research only can give me 1-2 techs every turn). However I should improve my trading game...that way I could have landed more then 10 turn earlier. I started to late with masive trade (around 1000 ad) and had not much improvements like superhighways. I'm practising a new game where I try to play with more trade from the start to improve this. If it's going well I try it with some GOTM-games. Next GOTM I have not much time..so I probably play conquest or OCC.

Hope that you're hyper-expansion will work...it's a probably a good way to grow big in a short time.

 

[CharlieChuck]

First part of my log

-4000 berlin
-3100 leipzig
-2600 hamburg
-2250 monarchy
-1950 konisburgh
-1600 munich (SSC), start colossus
-1550 currency -> trade. berlin start colossus
-1250 trade->map making.
-1200 change berlin to marco's, start building vans
-1150 americans start pyramids
-1100 start forest on munich square, think it's a hidden special?

@-1000 6 cities,pop 210,000, 3 sett, 4 warrr, 1 phalanx
americans ?
carthagians ?
spanish ?
romans ?

taxes 30/70/0 income 7, science 16 - disc 7 turns
researching maps, 7 techs, first to monarchy,trade

-975 heidelberg,
-950 maps -> mysticism, nuremburg, van sets off for munich
other civ is babs, no purple
-900 2nd van sets off
-850 3rd van
-825 pheasant located, possible 4 special site
-800 mysticism-> writing, 3rd van arrives munich
-775 munich builds COLOSSUS
-750 heidelberg trireme
-700 cologne
-650 van arrives berlin 20 left,
-625 writing-> literacy
-600 hannover,bremem
-525 MARCOS built, 2 vans set off

power supreme, spotless.
Romans have masonry, pottery
babs masonry,pottery,warrior code
spanish masonry,pottery,warrior code,horse
americans masonry
carthag horseback,poly,wheel

carthag give maps, peace, monarchy 4 wheel, currency for poly, wont share maps
babs swap masonry for monarchy, maps for pottery, share maps
americans wouldnt give trade, no peace
romans give trade,gift mysticism, share maps
spanish gift maps, swap warrior code for mysticism, share maps

@-525 11 cities,pop 450,000, 3 sett, 4 warrr, 1 phalanx, 2 trirem, 2 vans

taxes 30/70/0 income 12, science 31 - disc 10 turns
researching literacy, 15 techs, first to monarchy, trade

-475 babs give mysticism,
americans give potery,trade & mysticism peace, share maps
carthags give pottery & other, share maps
-450 give babs wheel, no alliance
-400 literacy->philosophy, stuttgart,
-375 bonn,
-300 americans develop construction,
-250 americans give literacy for construction, give mysticism, share maps
-275 2nd boat & vans set off for rome
-225 salzburg
-175 romans develop seafaring,swap for literacy, give construction, share maps, 3rd boat & vans set off for america
-150 philosophy->engineering->invention, dortmund,brandenburg,
discoveries now 16turns
-100 4th boat & vans set off for america, start king richards berlin
-75 hannover starts king richards, naples, give carthag construct & philosophy, share maps, spanish give construct & phil, share maps

@ 1ad 17 cities,pop 810,000, 5 sett, 13 warrr, 2 phalanx, 6 trireme, 8 vans

taxes 30/70/0 income 23, science 52 - disc 13 turns
researching invention, 28 techs, first to engin, literacy, monarchy, philosophy, trade

I tried to get some early trade routes going, but I struggled to find a route to the Babs which slowed me down. In hindsight maybe setting up quick trade routes with the Carthags would have been a better idea. I also built colossus first over Marco's. This was probably a mistake as Early on colossus on gives a couple of extra arrows. I should have built settlers into munich to build it up, but I thought of it too late.

 

[CharlieChuck]

60 issus, rb munich library 72g
100 americans develop republic, build settler into munich.
swap republic for seafaring, give philosophy, swap maps
120 babs give literacy, share maps, van approaching Ur, another boat & vans sets off for america
Revolution
140 REPUPBLIc, taxes 1=6=3, discov 8 turns,
160 invention-> Maths, change berlin to leo's, cunaxa
hides van Ur 176g,rb temple munich, buy a few shields,
180 cremona,
200 cannae, capua, dye van munich bablyon 304gold
romans give republic share maps, taxes 1-4-5, spend a bit
220 maths -> astro,
240 give americans invention, share maps,turin,
260 genoa,
280 berlin dye antium 182g,munich silk cumae 492g, munich disband warrior & rb aquaduct, spend another 300 odd, taxes 2-3-5
300 astro->navigation, crete,taxes 1-3-6 spend 100 odd
320 munich rb marketplace
340 leipzig wine chicago 205g, munich start coppernicus, verona built,
360 spanish develop iron working, konigsburgh dye new york 206g,taxes 0-6-4 6 turns
380 taxes 0-5-5,
400 americans/romans develop banking, navigation -> iron wrok, taxes 0-4-6, spanish navigat for iron, give maths, share maps,
americans navig for banking, give iron work share maps,heidelberg dye phil 136g,salamis, spend a bit
420 learn bridge building,hamburg salt washignton 128g
use vans for wonders
460 taxes 1-5-4,
480 frankfurt wine new york 190g, buy leos 132g,
500 bridgebuild->monotheism, berlin LEOS, konigsburg wine philadelphia 255g, taxes 0-6-4
buy king rich hannover 188g,

@ 500ad 27 cities,pop 3.08m, 6 sett, 12 warrr, 2 phalanx, 10 caravel, 8 vans

taxes 00/60/40 income -11, science 160 - disc 7 turns
researching mono, 28 techs, first to astro,bridge,engin, invention, literacy,maths,monarchy,navigation,philosophy,trade

520 hannover King Richards,taxes 1-5-4,
540 give romans philo, share maps
560 give babs philo, share maps
580 lisbon,hamburg2,
600 mono->gun powder, munich copper anium 432g,hedidelberg silver cumae un 112g,tax 1-3-6
620 prague,leipzig dye ur 208g,konisburg hides ur 236g,undeman copper 64g,
640 barbs raze issus, gun powder-> univ,munich COPPERNICUS built, give americans bridge build
660 van 252g,
680 vans 104 & 228g,
700 univ -> physics,
carthags gunpowder for feudalism,
720 tax 1-4-5
760 van 168g, america discovers democracy
780 saltzburg
800 vans 112 & 144g,
820 physics-> magnetism, swap astro for democracy, share maps
860 van 262g, taxes 0-4-6, rb few settlers
880 taxes 1-3-6
900 bergen,
920 van 84g,revolution
940 democracy,tax 1-3-6, 8 turns
960 magnetism-> theory gravity, van 288
980 van 200 + 366 , buy univ 208 munich,

@ 1000ad 31 cities,pop 6.32m, 24 sett, 19 musk, 10 galleon, 1 dip, 10 vans

taxes 10/30/60 income 18, science 244 - disc 6 turns
researching mono, 35 techs

At this point I didn't seem too far behind the others who tried for an early landing. I probably should have gone for democracy earlier. I delayed it until magnetism because of caravels causing unhappiness, but looking back the cities had pretty much stopped celebrating by then and corruption was costing me quite a lot.

 

[CharlieChuck]

Final part,

1010 tog -> medicene,vans 460 + 188g,
1020 venice
1030 van 462g, milan, buy magellans 228g, taxes 3-2-5
1040 medicene ->chemistry , berlin completes Magellans, vans 342 + 260 + 106, ghent, pisa, taxes 0-4-4, discov 4 turns
1050 van 220,taxes 2-3-5
1060 chemistry->exoplosives,taxes 0-5-5
1070 taxes 1-3-6,van 295
1080 van 164 + 660,dublin,romans give invention swap maps,buy michaels 316g
1090 explosives->sanitation, van 672 + 134, Michaelangelos built, taxes 0-4-4
1100 -
1110 sanitation->economics,van 456, taxes 2-3-5
1120 van 332 + 355g, taxes 1-4-5
1130 economics->steam engine,van 520 + 530, toronto,
1140 give cathags maths, steam engine-> railroad, van 594 give americasn steam engine,taxes 0-5-5
1150 melbourne,sydney,van 360, taxes 1-4-5
1160 railroad-> theology,van 267
1170 berlin2,van 344 +136, leipzig2
1190 theo->metallurgy,van 195+184+110,hamburg2,
1200 konigsburg2,frankfurt2,van 222 + 156
1210 metallurgy->industrialisation,van 124 +152,
1220 munich2,van 222 + 99,
1230 indust->electricity,heidelberg2,
1240 nuremburg2,cologne2,hanniver2,van 190
1250 -
1260 electricity->corporation,bremen2,van 187 + 220 + 200,rb isaacs 408g,
1270 ISAACS Built,
1280 carthags develop chivalry,stuttgart2,carthags swap metallurgy 4 chivalry,bonn2,
1290 corporation->electronics,van 252 + 616g
1300 -
1310 electronics->leadership,van 272 + 456 + 276 + 224 + 224 + 465g,taxes 0-5-5 = 3 turns
1320 leadership->refridge,salzburg2,van 414 + 468 + 636
1330 refridge -> refining,dortmund2,van 445, taxes 0-7-3
1340 refining -> conscription,van 735 + 580 + 356, taxes 0-5-5
1350 conscrip -> combustion, brandenburg2, van 412 + 188 + 206 + 552 + 228
1360 combustion -> steel, van 484 + 435 + 238 + 242, naples2, rb js bachs 980g
1370 js bachs built, van 194,issus,rb darwins, taxes 0-5-5
1380 steel -> tactics, darwins voyage, tactics -> automobile->machine tools,van 216 + 400 + 278 + 216 + 440 + 252 + 420
1390 machine tools-> mass prod,van 220 + 672 + 432 + 564
1400 mass prod -> miniturisation,cunaxa,cremona,van 246 + 580 + 222 + 444, start building lighthouses to swap for structurals, taxes 1-4-5
1410 barbs land near prague,minutarisation -> computers,pollution x 3,cannae,van 187,taxes 1-4-5
1420 van 512 + 62 + 176, capua
1430 barbs capture prague,computers -> flight,van 432 + 636 + 460 , bribe barb dragoon 102, capture barb leader 100g,turin,genoa
11 more techs to go
1440 flight -> radio,van 275 + 166 + 216 , prague liberated 130g
1450 van 310 + 259 + 668, buy seti 524g,
1460 radio -> adv flight,nuremburg SETI,van 199 + 288 +408 + 544 , crete
1470 adv flight -> rocketry,verona, salamis,van 118 + 186 + 190 + 150 +144 + 454 + 183
1480 rocketry -> space flight,lisbon,van 172 + 288 + 159 + 390 + 330
1490 space flight -> plastics,hamburg3,van 347 + 456 + 504 + 200 + 164, buy apollo 1260g, discov 2 turns @ 40% science
1500 hannover Apollo, plastics -> atomic theory,prague2, van 315 + 159 + 291 + 384 + 176

@ 1500ad 69 cities,pop 47.9m, 23 sett, 51 rifle, 1 dragoon, 14 transport, 2 dip, 14 freight

taxes 10/40/50cost 266, income 309, science 1792 - disc 3 turns
researching atomic theory

1505 americans discover communism,ship 4-0-0, american swap communism for conscrip,van 248
1510 american steal plastics,no war, atom theory->nuke fission, ship 5-0-0, van 812+ 332 +174 + 524
1515 nuke fission -> nuke power, van 456+286+251+202+251,taxes 3-2-5,
1520 nuke power -> laser ship 7-2/1-0, van 66 + 179 + 294 +312 +276 +514 + 155
1525 ship 11-4/3-0, van 208 + 227 + 182 + 246 + 275 + 155, taxes 4-1-5
1530 laser -> superconductor,11-5/5-0,van 130 + 152 +308, taxes 5-3-2
1535 13-5/5-0,vab 160,
1540 americans steal spaceflight war declared, supercon=>espionage, van 377,salzburg4,bergen, taxes 7-1-2
1545 15-6/5-1/1/1 25.8 yrs 90% not launched
1550 amerciasn steal superconductor, carthags sneak attack,21/6-6/1-1-1 14 years, boston cpatured 236g + horse riding.taxes 2=3=5
1555 americans cease fire, carthags capture verona cease signed,
27/7-7/1-1-1 launched 12 years,venice,van 126
1556 americans steal theology, war declared,espionage -> Genetic engin,buffalo captured (shakespeares)
1557 milan, taxes 3-2-5
1558 washington captured pyramids, eiffel & womans suffer. pisa,
1559 new york captured,san francisco captured,
1560 gen engin -> mobile warfare,Lighthouse buitl,philadelphia captured,
1561 carthags broke ceasefire,Cure Cancer,VErona recaptured, Panormus revolted, ST louis captured,
1562 americans now 3 structural & 2 componants,chicago captured 249g,
1563 munixh builds UN,revolt atlanta 510, get 199g,revolt detroit 218g, americans destroyed,malaca captured,gades captured,
1564 munich statue liberty,
1566 mobile warfare-> fusion,Oracle built,Hoover dam built,utica revolted 910g,taxes 0-0-10
1567 landed, reputations still spotless.

I probably could have traded more in the 1000-1200's, this cost me a few turns to complete it. I also could have built more cities, but there's a limit how many I can reasonably look after in a month!

After a very peaceful game, The americans just seemed to go on a stealing spree towards the end, so I end to take them out. This caused problems as most of my trade arrows were with the americans, so I missed out on a few celebrations towards the end.

Hopefully the purple Civ will be in for the next Spaceship game.

 

[URUWASHI]

Hello old timers !!

I have not been able to submit my last two games ( 80 and 81 ) , by the dead line , so yesterday I signed on to see if game 83 was " On "...
Well, I found out that game 82 is in my favorite range...missing one civ.
I have become real good at bringing back to life a missing CIV.
Im not sure If I will have the time to end the game by this weekend....
So this will may be just a practice ....another exercise

I downloaded the game at 9 Am and I decided ( in he beguinning ....) to just do an " Excercise " on bringing Purple into the game.

By 11 AM playing non stop, and making a few saves ( I am not good at keeping a log, except based on saves), I manged to bring Purple back into the game by taking Rome and creating a civil War.

Now its about 600 AD and having a Science City, Purple in the game ....Im considering playing the game a few more hours, I know the dead line is on Saturday....so I may ask for some extra time to finish the game within the next week.

Duke ? If I dont finish the game by saturday can I submit my last save until then ....then finish the game early next week ??

Thanks

 

[Peaster]

I didn't have time to play this GOTM when it came out. But when I saw everybody playing for landing, I thought it would offer a good chance to learn and compare. Now it seems we have the OK to (re)play this GOTM, so I took the chance, and it's been fun. I'm guessing that most GOTM 82 players have lost interest in it by now, so I won't write a super-detailed log unless someone is actually interested.

4000BC: Berlin (1) ... can't do the size one thing from this site AFAIK.
2250BC: Monarchy
2050BC: Frankfurt (5)
1250BC: Trade
1200BC: 11th city, no HG yet, time to make some vans and WoWs.
975BC: MPE (maps, misc tech trades over next few turns)
800BC: Pyr
700BC: Barbarians defeat Washington and the USA splits. Hello Sioux!. Also,
lit->phil, first boat, and first barracks RB'd.
525BC: LH, 17 cities ... not great growth.
325BC: Switch to Republic; maybe too soon. Some vans sent out.
225BC: Sioux defeat USA (and Persia is born). HG allows vertical growth.
125BC: 1st two vans, 200g+200g.
AD 1: Built Colossus in a budding SSC just offshore (away from the ICSness). Pleasant surprise #2.... The SSC supplies Hides!. I built a Hides van there almost every turn until the supply dried up in AD 800, by disbanding units there and IRBing. This was a huge drain on my civ until about AD 300, but once those vans arrived at Boston, the game played itself. In AD 1, I had 29 cities [low - I wanted about 50], 766g, 5 WoWs, 20 adv, 8 boats, 6 vans and the SSC was size 8 (no aqueduct/etc yet). IIRC I was at peace with all the AI except Carthage, which wasn't really a problem.

Not much happened for 200 years, while my SSC made Hides and I tried to make a decent ship chain to Boston. Not so easy in a Republic, with only one boat per port city.

AD 240 (approx): 1st two SSC vans pay 337g each, and SSC pauses for an aqueduct. Rome builds GL and several AI compete for CO/etc, so I have to rush for that. I've bribed Washington from the barbs to ease deliveries to Boston. I've had science at zero (to pay for Hides/etc) so I haven't gotten many new techs. Possibly, I stuck with the Hides strategy a bit too long, but it did pay off as planned (or better).

AD 300: CO
AD 440: Shakes, and SSC gets harbor. I can easily get 1 adv/turn now just from vans, so I often keep science at 0%. Some non-urgent vans form a waiting line near Boston.
AD 500: 51 cities, 15S, 29boats, 51vans, 30adv, 2000g, sanitation.
AD 560: INC, chivalry.
AD 580: Spain builds GW. Navigation - I always dread this phase, with the low van payoffs, but there are so many spare vans now, it is still easy to maintain 1 adv/turn.
SSC gets a library (it wasn't really an SSC til then, I guess). Science is raised from 0% to about 60%.
AD 620: Mike's. SSC gets Univ.
AD 680: Leo's. Industn, and next turn corpn (freights)
AD 740: Mags
AD 760: WS. Sioux build KRC (expired).
AD 780: Switch Republic to Democracy.
AD 800: SSC finally stops supplying Hides, but I've built about 30 and probably still have 10-15 of those, paying about 900g each at Madrid. It's approx size 20 now.
AD 860: CfC, which should finally allow celebrations and growth.
AD 900: The game goes on. Have 51 techs, and DV next turn. Hoping for 1 more per turn til done, or maybe 2 per, if I can increase science just a bit.

 

[Peaster]

Well, this seemed to take forever, but I finally finished. The highlights:

920: DV
1000: 112 cities, machine tools, 34 eng, 79 freight, 36 transports. I was getting 2 advances per turn for approx 5 or 6 turns, before I realized it wasn't worth it, keeping the science bar so high.
1020: AS
1060: HDam
1070: Romans build SunTzu
1090: SETI
1130: JSB (couldn't decide whether Theo+JSB was worth it...)
1140: Sioux build Eiffel. I build Apollo. A few AI's started stealing techs, so I declared war on them (howies vs archers) and grabbed any city that wasn't a Hides destination.
1210: Launched a 33/16/3 ship
1211: UN
1212: I take Carthage and the Sioux capital (etc) including Eiffel and KRC.
1213: Oracle (expired); Sioux destroyed.
1214: MP + SoL; Cathaginians destroyed (and almost the Spanish).
1215: Landed.

I haven't counted my 1215AD cities yet, but I had about 170 about 5-10 turns ago. I had 26 WoWs and all the techs but 2. I only lost about 5 units, as the AI was pretty frriendly throughout the early/mid game, and I had the better units after that.

I haven't read the other logs yet, but am curious to compare. I felt I was lucky wrt the purple civ and Hides, but that the game moved a bit slowly, maybe from the lack of huts.