Gotm18-Celts - Pregame Discussion

Originally posted by RedwoodTree
it "just seems" that WHATEVER income I have, be it 15g/turn or 150g/turn is what they want for 1 tech, so if I spend it, i'm done for 20 turns, and obviously that doesn't work. I know this may be getting OT now, but it seems to be relelvant to strategy for the GOTM games too

Did you read the little trick I post in this thread. May be that will help you with your tech problem.


PS: I think this will be my last post in this thread. I think I will download the GOTM18 as soon as I get off work (in a few hour). Yes I'm a weak one.:cry: Bye now.:cry:
 
Originally posted by Moonsinger
Just pump out a lot of warriors (you need 2 in each city for peace keeping anyway) and they will leave you alone.

Yeah, I always think that I'll just make a bunch of warriors, but there are lots of other things that need to be built as well - settlers, temples, barracks, spearmen, ...

I'm not even thinking of getting an early wonder, unless a leader appears.
 
In my last few GOTMs I have built exactly one spearman (or one NuMerc). Warriors and a counterattack force are all you need to defend on Regent and Monarch levels.

Since warriors upgrade to Gallic Swordmen, I will have a city with barracks producing most of the warriors so they are veteran. But my first warriors can become veteran fighting barbarians.
 
So do we have large-map or standard-map distance corruption?
:crazyeye:

(it affects city spacing to a small extent)
 
Originally posted by alexman
So do we have large-map or standard-map distance corruption?
(it affects city spacing to a small extent)

The effect is significantly minor to be almost beyond the reasonable scope of the game process for this game.

Yes, I know you know alot about this subject but please help us to get on with the game.

The tech rate factors and OCN factors for this game are identical to the settings for a large map.
 
Thanks for the answer!

I agree that the effect is minor. A roaded city 4 tiles from the capital has 12% distance corruption in this game, as compared to 9% in a true large map game.
 
Flexo, I am going to edit the comments out as they regard the graphics test file because I have already made it absolutely clear that the graphics test files has absolutely nothing to do with the actual game. NOTHING. Hopefully we will not have a 3rd person who will drag me away from working on the results packages to deal with this issue - cracker
 
Originally posted by kojimanard
Cracker is great and punctual. Im guessing that the game will be available at midnight MT. (thats -7 GMT, I think)
He posted the game at 11:59 MT; one minute early! :goodjob:
 
All right. I had to turn on my computer to finish some homework just before school and in five minutes managed to get online and to the download link. It's now downloaded :)

I'll be off probably on Wednesday to start the game. Today I have to get my math and my english homework done (eleven chapters in Great Expecatations - !!!)
 
okay, I am about to download the game, This will be my 2nd. I am still a rookie but I keep practicing, AND LEARNING!! I am going to try my hardest and I read alot of the posts here and elsewhere. It all really helps. I will probably move my worker to the hill to check out the terrain. I want Shields for my 1st city. and after city 2 I want to expand as fast as I can. I hope from the info from the Experts(you know who you are) I can at least make a game of it.

Good luck and happy gaming to all
 
I would love to wait to play to see how the new scoring effects things and to discuss strategies for a higher score. Score is my main goal anyway. But, I have to rush through and try to be done by the 15th or 20th so I'll be free for my other GOTM commitment. Speaking of that you guys are going to flip out when you see the information that Cracker presents for the QSC. Trust me. You'll be astounded.
This thread has been fascinating. Hope it helps me this time. I sucked on the GOTM17.
3 GOTMs ago I went light on military and then sent it off to attack China. I got raped by barbarians right after that. They took 800 gold. The 2 last ones I went heavier on military in preparation for barb attacks that didn't materialize. I really hope I can find a good balance this time!

Happy April Fool's Day all you GOTM playing fools! :)
 
one which i hope will not come across as too stupid. my advanced apologies if it does...

is it considered cheating if i load the game for the first time with the intent to look at the surrounding terrain and then reload it to play with the advantage of that fore knowledge?

from the way the threat looks, it seems that that is frowned upon as i can see that the esteemed players here are really bringing their experience to the fore in terms of analyzing the areas covered by fog.

thank you for your patience sirs.
 
@squidd

Since no one else has...:nono:

Any reloading back to a previous timepoint is forbidden. In you case the extra knowledge would give an advantage to all of your first move decisions.
 
Notes for the reader : 1) Brennus hailed from a far northern Celtic clan. 2) For Brennus's wise advice on settlement, just skip to the last paragraph.

The Saga of Brennus Mac Brennus, Chapter 1

The fifth consecutive night of cold, driving drizzle was the last straw. Brennus MacBrennus, King of the Celts, had reached breaking point. ”Och aye, Doris, this accursed weather is truly the last straw!” he bellowed at his wife from their sodden sleeping mat.

”Is it, Brennie darling ?” she replied. Doris MacBrennus, wife of the ferocious and foul-tempered chieftain, was by necessity a placid and even-tempered woman. ”Have ye lost your other straws already ? I did'nae ken ye had any in the first place. I could cast aboot for them tomorrow if ye like.”

”Ach nae woman. I mean tae say that ... I've had a right belly full of ... ach it dinnae matter none”. Muttering curses at whichever sadistic God chose a cold and wet climate for this game, Brennus subsided into a fitful and rather damp sleep.

Brennus’s sour mood made him particularly receptive to the Celt’s Gods’ influences. His usual dreams that night of joyful pillage and slaughter were interrupted a divine inspiration. Brennus dreamed a grand vision, seeing himself enthroned in a magnificent palace and surrounded by a mighty army of his fierce Celtic tribesmen. Overflowing chests of rich booty lay at his feet. His palace walls and temple gates were festooned with the severed heads of hundreds of his enemies, and the streets of his city were paved with the crushed skulls of thousands of defeated warriors. Lakes and ponds were strategically placed throughout the city, each stuffed to the brim with captured weaponry. It was truly a Celt's paradise.

The next morn, Brennus awoke with a thoughtful expression on his face and a radical new idea to mull over. ”Doris ...” he called. ”Aye Brennie ?” she called back from the doorway of their hut, ”I hav' nae found your lost straws yet. But I'm still looking for 'em for ye though”. Brennus blinked and shook his head in disbelief. ”Doris, there are nae any blasted straws” he shouted to her. ” Come inside now an' hear out my new idea”. Doris may not have been the sharpest knife in the armoury, however her years of expertly managing her ill-tempered husband had given her a keen political astuteness that Brennus relied upon time and time again.

”I've had me a vision from the Gods in mae dreams. I ken that we must tae build ourselves a settlement.” Brennus explained. ”I see now that our arms and our treasure cannae truly grow strong whilst we wander about pillaging and looting, and camping in these accursed leaky, freezing huts. An’ besides, I ken that I’ll soon need a lot more wall space ter decorate wi’ the heads of mae former enemies”.

”Aye Brennus” she replied, ”that I would like. A little cottage that does'nae leak, a vegetable garden, a comfortable bed, and all those awful rotting heads well outside ... aahhh”. She dreamed of the prospect for a moment, then snapped back to reality. ”They'll never agree, y'know Brennie” she said, thinking of the clan chiefs. ”At the start, at least, that is ... not unless ye market the concept properly” she continued. ”What'd ye mean, lassie ? Eh ? Market ?” Brennus growled at her.

Doris knew that Brennus's mastery of subtlety and diplomacy was about as profound as his knowledge of sub-atomic quantum physics. ”Tell ye lads that they are not so much as settling, but more building a storehouse for their booty and tae keep their spears from rustin’ overnight. They'll nae ken they are nae longer living in animal hide huts until much later”. Brennus slowly nodded, and then gave her his trademark evil grin as he chuckled to himself. ”Aye lassie - I'll do just that. Ye always were the clever one of us two”.

The Celt clan chiefs were all accustomed to hearing Brennus's strange ideas, and more accustomed to doubting them. Just last year they heard his brilliant idea of fitting out his warriors in short skirts instead of their traditional bear skins and leather trousers. ”We can call them 'kilts'“ he explained to his sceptical chiefs. ”They will strike terror into the hearts of our enemies, and we will master them in battle” he continued. ”Aye, we will defeat them more easy” one replied, ”As they roll aboot the field laughin’ their guts up we can lop off their heads wi' relative ease” one replied, ”Ye've got tae be jokin’ Brennus, ye daft loon”.

”Nae, it will work, I tell ye” Brennus shouted back. ”I seen it in a dream ! The great chieftain Mel Gibson were there ! An’ his army o' Celts in kilts, standing at the top of the hill overlooking the battlefield, turnin’ as one and bendin' over, liftin' their kilts at the enemy below. They ran in terror at the sight o' their tattooed backsi...”. Brennus was drowned out by the gales of laughter that echoed around the meeting. ”More like it'll be our own lads that'll be overcome with shock if'n ye're there leadin' the display” came the reply. ”Dinnae go there Brennus, I ken it aint' a pretty sight fer neither man nor beast alike!”

But this time, however, the chiefs listened intently to his proposal. Brennus carefully explained further ”Our neighbours are building towns and cities of their own. They grow fat, and gods forbid they may even grow stronger! We cannae continue tae freely avail ourselves o' their gold and their cattle unless we grow stronger as well”. The chiefs frowned, but nodded agreement. Brennus continued ”Our destiny, mae lads, is tae be masters o' all that we ken. But we have tae get wi’ the times! There'll still be blood aplenty, I promise ye, an' lootin an' pillaging enough tae satisfy even the worst o' ye. I swear tae the Gods that the name o’ Brennus Mac Brennus will strike terror in tae the hearts o’ all th’ kings o’ the world. It’s jest that we’ll also have comfortable beds an’ hot runnin’ water tae come home tae of an evenin’.” One by one, the clan chiefs gave their assent to Brennus’s plan.

Thus King Brennus MacBrennus led his Celtic people to build a permanent settlement, and so to found his feared Celtic nation. ”We will build our homes just over there a little ways” he declared to his gathered people, pointing one tile off in a vague north-north-westerly direction. ”Beside th’ two hills fer production, th’ lake fer commerce an’ th’ rich grasslands there when mined will serve us well. The keen-sighted of ye may perhaps ken some forest away in the distance – I’m nae sure aboot that. Och aye, that place will make our capital right powerful” he explained. Not a single one of his people had the foggiest idea of what Brennus was talking about, but they were well accustomed to that. Besides, he certainly sounded convincing. ”A short march then backpacks doon, build some wee houses, an’ then we break out the whiskey mae lads” he concluded.

….. to be continued.
 
Originally posted by squidd
is it considered cheating if i load the game for the first time with the intent to look at the surrounding terrain and then reload it to play with the advantage of that fore knowledge?
You can do this if you limit your look to the starting position, ie you don't make a move or action and stay in 4000BC. Of course you would not gain any additional information about the map that way since both the starting view and the location on the world map have already been posted.

But what you can do is check what rivals there are in the game by using the space race screen, and then dream about your strategy. :)
 
Originally posted by Karasu
:rotfl:

Peanut, you would deserve a permanent entry in the Hall of Fame for this post alone!!!
Karasu :

Thanks for the kind comment. If the muse strikes me (and if nobody objects to verbose and slightly eccentric postings), further chapters may well emerge once I start the game.

If you are interested, Brennus MacBrennus also had a cameo appearance in my Annals of Hannabeline from GOTM17

Regards,

Peanut
 
Ok, time for me to exit the thread, as I need to grab a day or two free from SG commitments to devote some time playing the QSC, in particular staring at the start location for 30 more minutes at least. ;) Good luck to everyone- I'm off to discover the salinity of that body of water nearby!
 
thank you sirs. and also to controlfreak.

just one thing, i am unable to join in the gotm because i don't have the current version and download speeds on our side of the world are comparable to crawling. makes me so sad...

one other thing which is rather off topic, is this not saving and reloading an honor-based thing or is there a way to empirically safeguard against it?

again, my advanced thanks



Originally posted by Ribannah

You can do this if you limit your look to the starting position, ie you don't make a move or action and stay in 4000BC. Of course you would not gain any additional information about the map that way since both the starting view and the location on the world map have already been posted.

But what you can do is check what rivals there are in the game by using the space race screen, and then dream about your strategy. :)
 
Not reloading is mostly on the honor system. The GOTM staff has certain .SAV file criteria that they look at for indications of behaviors that imply reloading and will investigate further if they smell something fishy. Just don't do it and you'll be fine.

What Civ are you running (Mac, Vanilla (Regular) or PC PTW)? What version do you have? Is your download any faster if the files are zipped and emailed to you or FTP from some other site? There may be another way to get you the files.
 
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