(Graphic images) Just a friendly reminder

[CurtSibling]

It is useless arguing about Hiroshima all over again.

Fact: The USA dropped the damn things, and they were going to use it on someone.

Either Japan or Germany.
But we couldn't drop it on fellow westerners now, could we?
Easier to teach those upstart Asians a lesson.

Fact: It has not been used since, except in tests and baby DU versions.

But I always have this thought;
What kind of fight would those starving Japanese women, children and old people have put up?
Must have been a terrible prospect of fear for a hardened US marine.

Japan was beat, it's army was all over China mostly, and it's navy by this time had no warships of note left.

Flogging a dead horse.

This is not to say that defeat wasn't just deserts for Japan's despicable attack on America's servicemen at Pearl Harbour...
Do the crime, do the time, is what I say.

Although it does salve people's conscience to think that the A-Bomb attacks were a noble way to save lives.

More like a way to warn our erstwhile ally Uncle Joe,
who had transformed from our genial chum to a nightmare figure of bestial oppression and tyranny.

 

[Phantom Lord]

Originally posted by CurtSibling
Either Japan or Germany.
But we couldn't drop it on fellow westerners now, could we?
Easier to teach those upstart Asians a lesson.

Well, Germany accepted capitulation without conditions three months before.

But as I already said: It was not my intention to discuss WW2 in this thread and my opinion on WW2 is that we should not present WW2 atrocities and point at each other today. My mistake. My only excuse is that I wanted to protest against the pictures of dead children.

 

[Sh3kel]

Originally posted by Alcibiaties of Athenae
It's immpossible to be everywhere guys, I only became aware of the distisfaction when I was PMed about it.

World events are getting worse, I removed the picture, not the links.

I'm still undecided about that, and would like further comment on it.

I understand the decision and understand the message. From now on only links, no images.

Originally posted by Sultan
Hey Sh3kel, got any pictures from say the past 5 years?

I'll look if that's what you are interested in, but I believe I may find some.

@THE MODERATORS: By allowing the images in the first post to stand you are sending the message that it is okay to show dead or mutilated bodies to support a belief that one stands for. Will you support that if I make an anti-landmine thread? Or a "What really happened in Nicaragua?" thread? Or a return to the Israel/Palestine debates?

I do not see a reason why images should be banned from such debates in the first place nor do I object to the countering of what one side brings by the other using pictures within the boundries of good taste. These boundries have been set by the mods at linking to the images with the addition of adding a warning tag to the topic, so I assume until stated otherwise there is no problem.

 

[Richard III]

Curt, you're embarassing yourself. You're almost as bad as the man you claim Bush to be.

First, you wax on about Monty without any reference to actual facts (see "no norman schwartzkopf" thread).

Now, you're babbling about Japan without any reference to the facts. Everything you've just said has been rebutted, in detail, with sources, in several A-Bomb threads already.

Take some time off, eh? Read a little.

R.III

 

[CurtSibling]

Originally posted by Richard III
Curt, you're embarassing yourself. You're almost as bad as the man you claim Bush to be.

Nonsense!
There is sufficient space between my eyes.
And I wear much better ties.

Originally posted by Richard III
First, you wax on about Monty without any reference to actual facts (see "no norman schwartzkopf" thread).

This is odd.
So I am wrong in saying:
*The desert war was decided in North Africa?
*Monty and Rommel were counterparts and adversaries?
*Monty and Rommel at certain times both found themselves lacking sufficient supplies and reinforcements?
*Hitler saw North Africa as a sideshow compared to Russia? ANd thus did not give it full attention?

What did I say that was so off the mark?

Is this the same war we are talking about here?

Originally posted by Richard III
Now, you're babbling about Japan without any reference to the facts. Everything you've just said has been rebutted, in detail, with sources, in several A-Bomb threads already.

Now you are talking in riddles.
So I am wrong too in saying:
*Over 60% of Japan's land forces were engaged in garrison duties in China for the entire war?
*The IJN was degraded to the point of having no capital BBs or CVs by 1945?
*That the A-bomb was a display of power to the Soviets?
*That I doubted the Japanese civilians woudl magically transform into a deadly army of professional soldiers?
Like the German Volkstrum, who did nothing to slow the Allied advance?

Originally posted by Richard III

Take some time off, eh? Read a little.
R.III

I won't be reading any more of your posts at this rate!
Nay, Rick, it you who should lay off and see that I am merely making an opinion...

I challenge you to find any of my above statements to be false.
If so, please outline what I am saying tha tis wrong, I am genuinely interested.

 

[CurtSibling]

Also RIII,

When it comes to Hiroshima, you can digest all the poster opinions you want on other threads.

I have my stance, that it was an Allied overkill and a punitive lesson.
If you can't take that, well, too bad, old boy.