Great Library Rush.

[Gamgee]

How can I get this thing as fast as possible? My friend can usually beat me by like... 30 turns. I leave the city on its default setting. Get the monument and then build a worker. By then I should usually have the tech needed to build it.

Still I need some tips for a fast build of it.

 

[kirbdog]

If this is a multiplayer situation, I think you should be asking how you can destroy your friend militarily while he's building his shiny wonder.

If you still want to build it, Pottery->Writing->Mining and chop trees.

 

[Gamgee]

If this is a multiplayer situation, I think you should be asking how you can destroy your friend militarily while he's building his shiny wonder.

If you still want to build it, Pottery->Writing->Mining and chop trees.

I have the killing of him well under my thumb by now, this is just to crush him.

 

[kirbdog]

If you are really crazy over it: You also ought to time your worker/whatever to end just as writing ends. Spend a turn on something else if you need to. This gives you the spillover hammers. Hell, you should even finish the worker to 1 hammer left with micromanagement before popping it out, lol. You also ought to focus on food at first, so that you tech a little faster, and then after hitting a certain pop level (3/4), you ought to lock in the hammer tiles, while chopping forest.

Of course your friend could do all the same things but with more luck with start/ruins and beat you.

 

[Tabarnak]

Best hammer start possible with chops and egypt can neat you the GL on turn 22 at best(quick).

 

[sufficiency]

It's almost impossible to do by turn 30. 35 is a bit more reasonable.

 

[kirbdog]

I guess the absolute fastest rush would involve four population ruins, three tech ruins, two culture ruins, two religious city states, El Dorado, and lots of celebratory drinking (alternately, lots of time in the world builder).

 

[Hambil]

It all about your capital city's unimproved yields. You want decent food and very high hammers. A goody hut pop for an additional population will help a lot but can't be counted on (though you'll get it %50 of the time in my experience).

Make sure once you reach writing (beelining straight to it) you switch to production focus while building the library.

Unless you have some mod that lets you start with a worker, a worker is useless for the GL.

 

[sufficiency]

I guess the absolute fastest rush would involve four population ruins, three tech ruins, two culture ruins, two religious city states, El Dorado, and lots of celebratory drinking (alternately, lots of time in the world builder).

With Skilldorado you probably don't need Liberty at all, so Monument can be ignored. Probably just need to build a Scout first before starting on GL (assuming you pop a Writing ruin) around Turn 10. If another ruin can pop Mining, and you are playing as the Iroquois (no movement penalty on forest tiles), you can get another 10 hammer per turn since it takes 2 turns to chop a forest. If the city itself has 6 hammer (2 from city, 4 pop and 1 hammer from each pop due to godly starting location), you can get 16 hammer per turn roughly and it will take 185/16 ~ 12 turns. So I guess once in a blue moon you can build GL on, say, Turn 25.

 

[kirbdog]

Add more population ruins. Just because.

Edited to add: if I remember correctly, settling on marble gives you the 15% before researching masonry.

 

[Browd]

Edited to add: if I remember correctly, settling on marble gives you the 15% before researching masonry.

Yes it does.

 

[Deau]

I guess the absolute fastest rush would involve four population ruins, three tech ruins, two culture ruins, two religious city states, El Dorado, and lots of celebratory drinking (alternately, lots of time in the world builder).

Thanks. I actually laughed at the picture for like 2 minutes.

 

[The Pilgrim]

Unless you have some mod that lets you start with a worker, a worker is useless for the GL.

Quite the opposite, workers are key for fast GL, because you need to chop forests.

 

[Hambil]

What if you have no forests (pretty common)? And what play speed are we talking about? The way I play the library is nearly built by the time I can crank out a worker and chop a forest. But I have forgetting how one track minded and snarky these parts of the board can be, so carry on, make war, have fun. I'm back to my usual hiding places.

 

[Unresolved]

On Immortal+, no forests mean no GL most of the time. Simple as that.

 

[Sidor1982]

Settle on a hill with a couple of food tiles and forests, start with a scout scout to get something good from the goody huts (not monument, worker). Steal 2 workers from CS with the scouts, beeline for Writing, then Mining. Start building GL the moment you get writing. City grows asap until Writing, then switch to production focus or do that manually. Workers chop down forests while building. Adopt Aristocracy asap.

Works on Immortal like 90% times (chances grow with slower game pace), on Deity gives you a small chance of succeeding (but I'm not trying this on Deity), I'm pretty sure it will work in MP, at least till your friend resigns of building it and goes for early CB rush and crushes your defenseless civ

 

[Gamgee]

Settle on a hill with a couple of food tiles and forests, start with a scout scout to get something good from the goody huts (not monument, worker). Steal 2 workers from CS with the scouts, beeline for Writing, then Mining. Start building GL the moment you get writing. City grows asap until Writing, then switch to production focus or do that manually. Workers chop down forests while building. Adopt Aristocracy asap.

Works on Immortal like 90% times (chances grow with slower game pace), on Deity gives you a small chance of succeeding (but I'm not trying this on Deity), I'm pretty sure it will work in MP, at least till your friend resigns of building it and goes for early CB rush and crushes your defenseless civ

I'll try to rush it next game.

Our current game ended. He attacked another of our friends and wiped him out. While he was away I attacked him with an army 7 times his size and just for fun ground him down through attrition with no heed to any sort of strategy.

He put up a good fight, but lost.

And that's that game done. Now to steal the Great Library off of him next game.

 

[The Pilgrim]

But I have forgetting how one track minded and snarky these parts of the board can be, so carry on, make war, have fun. I'm back to my usual hiding places.

There is nothing snarky about giving a specific answer to a very specific question.
You may play however you want, but if OP asks what's the most efficient and fast way to do something, that's the answer s/he should be given.


@Gamgee
Your buddy doesn't sound like very experienced MP player. It's very possible you don't need a perfect start or flawless strategy to get GL after all. Keep an eye on demographics. If you're on par to Writing but have higher production, it's yours.

 

[Gamgee]

There is nothing snarky about giving a specific answer to a very specific question.
You may play however you want, but if OP asks what's the most efficient and fast way to do something, that's the answer s/he should be given.


@Gamgee
Your buddy doesn't sound like very experienced MP player. It's very possible you don't need a perfect start or flawless strategy to get GL after all. Keep an eye on demographics. If you're on par to Writing but have higher production, it's yours.

I had almost all hills once and tried that, and didn't get it. He is definitely better than you think, but not all that great at the combat side of things. My specialty.

 

[The Pilgrim]

not all that great at the combat side of things. My specialty.

MP specialty, I'd say.

Demographics will tell what are your chances to get it. Check it every turn. Btw, if you can see his capital, you can see when he builds wonders. Good luck!