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Nikis-Knight
Deity
Lots of people came from Germany, though
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Census-2000-Data-Top-US-Ancestries-by-County.jpg
(Wikipedia and all the usual caveats, of course)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Census-2000-Data-Top-US-Ancestries-by-County.jpg
(Wikipedia and all the usual caveats, of course)
personally i don't feel its even remotely overpowering for the grigori to use the heros to build the alter. after all they only get soo many heros, and they still need to research all the techs.
lets try this from a more limited tac though....
the turn after a luanatar (sp) is created an event pops up (triggered on creation with 100% chance), they ask you "a holy man wants to give his life to the alter, woudl you accept this?" if yes , add to alter , if no ... then that unit can never add to the alter.
lets try this from a more limited tac though....
the turn after a luanatar (sp) is created an event pops up (triggered on creation with 100% chance), they ask you "a holy man wants to give his life to the alter, woudl you accept this?" if yes , add to alter , if no ... then that unit can never add to the alter.
Nikis-Knight
Deity
You can get Luanatar without adventurers, though it is of course harder.
I really don't think its unbalanced for Grigori's Luonnotar to build the alters because:
1. The higher alter levels are deep in a branch of the tech tree that doesn't help Grigori that much.
2. The alters themselves don't help Grigori as much.
3. The final alter requires one of the last techs and is very expensive to build.
With that in mind, I think it would still be fair if you simply limit the ability to units with the hero promotion, and convert great prophet points to adventure points (on one hand the grigori have the ability to reset the GPP, but they don't have priest specialists)/.
1. The higher alter levels are deep in a branch of the tech tree that doesn't help Grigori that much.
2. The alters themselves don't help Grigori as much.
3. The final alter requires one of the last techs and is very expensive to build.
With that in mind, I think it would still be fair if you simply limit the ability to units with the hero promotion, and convert great prophet points to adventure points (on one hand the grigori have the ability to reset the GPP, but they don't have priest specialists)/.
jprc
My dog is smarter than me
Grigori and English language(s) ...
By the way, what is the language in FFH World as it seems that all civs understand each other? I guess it has its own - and unknown - language? (no, don't say it is in Celtic or English: such a world can not have links with "our" world - except if it is another "Otherland"? Tad Williams).
Ah! Grigori ... I enjoy trying 0.33b with them.
But is not an Altar a kind of recognition for a deity or something similar?
Is it compatible with being agnostic?
By the way, what is the language in FFH World as it seems that all civs understand each other? I guess it has its own - and unknown - language? (no, don't say it is in Celtic or English: such a world can not have links with "our" world - except if it is another "Otherland"? Tad Williams).Ah! Grigori ... I enjoy trying 0.33b with them.
But is not an Altar a kind of recognition for a deity or something similar?
Is it compatible with being agnostic?
MagisterCultuum
Great Sage
jprc
My dog is smarter than me
What a nice reading!!!
Thank you Wilboman and MagisterCultuum!!
Here is the part about Grigori.
(quote):
The Grigori
The Grigori, more than any other, are strongly affected by the many newcomers, who flee the oppressive reign of the priests, gods and religions. Grigori is, in many was, the English of Erebus, constantly undergoing change through the adoption of new words, altering them to make a seamless, flowing and evolving language. The Grigori are particularly noteworthy for their very interesting swearing, which is devoid of religious connotations.
(unquote)
Thank you Wilboman and MagisterCultuum!!
Here is the part about Grigori.
(quote):
The Grigori
The Grigori, more than any other, are strongly affected by the many newcomers, who flee the oppressive reign of the priests, gods and religions. Grigori is, in many was, the English of Erebus, constantly undergoing change through the adoption of new words, altering them to make a seamless, flowing and evolving language. The Grigori are particularly noteworthy for their very interesting swearing, which is devoid of religious connotations.
(unquote)
Assassin
Chieftain
Of course writing here improve your english, but only with writing it. I write much in english and it's kinda easy nowadays, but when i start to speak it, it's pretty hard. That's only 'cause i'm finnish and some of you may know that we speak exactly like we write.
So my english isn't good neither, i can be honest in that. And what comes to people who say "english, learn it", I give you 10000 euros, if you learn to speak finnish perfectly.
It's not easy to learn another language, especially if grammar is different.
Bastian-Bux
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Learn to speak finish perfectly for 10.000? Make it 100.000 and I might think about it again. 
Learn to speak finish perfectly for 10.000? Make it 100.000 and I might think about it again.
stick to your day-time job, better pay / hour
. But back on topic: the only reason why the grigori aren't the best altar builders already is because of their lack of temples, banning them from priest specialists. Their world spell would make building the altar waaaaay to easy
slowcar
King
stick to your day-time job, better pay / hour
But back on topic: the only reason why the grigori aren't the best altar builders already is because of their lack of temples, banning them from priest specialists. Their world spell would make building the altar waaaaay to easy
you can get unlimited priests by adopting a civic. right after casting your worldspell for example.
Blackmantle
King
Which is very antithematic for them.
Perhaps the Grigori should be able to build the lower Levels of the altar (or an alternative version of it codewise) with hammers instead (they don't get so many priest-slots anyways and theocracy is rather sucky for them + they don't build lots of desciples so no real hefty economic or military advantage from it anyways. "Just" for winning.)?
Or just tie the ability to build higher Level altars to higher Level Luonnotar. So start out at 6 (minimum upgrade Level for them if im not mistaken) for Altar one and add one level for each further level of the altar. If thats possible codewise. Whould still be not all so hard thanks to possible Luonnotar Heroes but might be enough of a restriction for the last 2 or 3 Levels. And i don't see anything wrong with the Grigori getting the Edge on that type of victory. If not all that easy as previous.
If naturally the Altar is not turned into a landmark and gets a quest tied to it which whould even be nicer. (even if its just the last Level of the Altar that is handled that way or with an alternative builder Spaceship-like Victory since i don't feel FFH2 whould much improve without it. Even though some / many other people seem dislike that kind of victory.)
Perhaps the Grigori should be able to build the lower Levels of the altar (or an alternative version of it codewise) with hammers instead (they don't get so many priest-slots anyways and theocracy is rather sucky for them + they don't build lots of desciples so no real hefty economic or military advantage from it anyways. "Just" for winning.)?
Or just tie the ability to build higher Level altars to higher Level Luonnotar. So start out at 6 (minimum upgrade Level for them if im not mistaken) for Altar one and add one level for each further level of the altar. If thats possible codewise. Whould still be not all so hard thanks to possible Luonnotar Heroes but might be enough of a restriction for the last 2 or 3 Levels. And i don't see anything wrong with the Grigori getting the Edge on that type of victory. If not all that easy as previous.
If naturally the Altar is not turned into a landmark and gets a quest tied to it which whould even be nicer. (even if its just the last Level of the Altar that is handled that way or with an alternative builder Spaceship-like Victory since i don't feel FFH2 whould much improve without it. Even though some / many other people seem dislike that kind of victory.)
scaramouche
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What if the Agnostic trait let you use Great Sages to build altars instead of Great Prophets? It seems like a reasonably straight-forward solution and the Grigori would have to dilute their Adventurer pool in order to be producing Sages, so they'd still have to sacrifice something to go the Altar victory route.
