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He said the US gained land against Japan (so america occupied for maybe 2 years tops), which they made Independence right after the war. its the same thing here with Bulgaria (who was a member of the axis) and USSR.

Either Bulgaria lost land, or America did, but given the time that the map is considered, it cannot be both.
 
You are saying that the Northern Marianas Islands are not part of the US?
Nor did they have a "trust" (i.e. effective control) over Micronesia, the Marshall Islands, and Palau for 30+ years?
 
The Spanish owned the Northern Marianas for a few centuries, then gave them to Germany after the Spanish-American War. Japan annexed them after World War I, and then the US got them after World War II.
 
The Spanish owned the Northern Marianas for a few centuries, then gave them to Germany after the Spanish-American War. Japan annexed them after World War I, and then the US got them after World War II.

This is what happened Ilduce...
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Mariana_Islands#History

Following the Spanish–American War of 1898, Spain ceded Guam to the United States and sold the remainder of the Marianas (along with the Caroline and Marshall Islands) to Imperial Germany.

Japanese Acquisition
Early in World War I, Japan took the opportunity to declare war on Germany and invaded the Northern Marianas, hoping to annex them. In 1919, the League of Nations, precursor of the United Nations, awarded the islands to Japan by a mandate. During Japan's occupation, sugar cane became the main industry of the islands, and labor was imported from Japan and associated colonies (especially Okinawa and Korea). In the census of December 1939, the total population of the South Pacific Mandate was 129,104, of which 77,257 were Japanese (including ethnic Taiwanese and Koreans).
Hours after the Attack on Pearl Harbor, Japanese forces from the Marianas launched an invasion of Guam on December 8, 1941. Chamorros from the Northern Marianas, then under Japanese rule for more than two decades, were brought to Guam to assist the Japanese administration. This, combined with the harsh treatment of Guamanian Chamorros during the 31-month occupation, created a rift that would become the main reason Guamanians rejected the reunification referendum approved by the Northern Marianas in the 1960s.

American acquisition

Near the end of World War II, the United States military invaded the Mariana Islands on June 15, 1944, beginning with the Battle of Saipan, which ended on July 9 with the Japanese commander committing seppuku (a traditional Japanese form of ritual suicide). Of the 30,000 Japanese troops that defended Saipan, fewer than 1,000 remained alive at battle's end.[5] U.S. forces then recaptured Guam beginning July 21 and invaded Tinian (see Battle of Tinian) on July 24, which provided the take off point for the Enola Gay, the plane dropping the atomic bomb on Hiroshima a year later. Rota was left untouched (and isolated) until the Japanese surrender in August 1945, due to its military insignificance.

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So yes Ilduce America annexed part of them (Guam) and Spain sold the rest of their central Pacific colonies to Germany.
 
They had those before the war. That means they can't count as gains...

Either that or it turns out world war 2 started in 1910

link for evidence? Because the US annexed them during the Spanish-American war
I think that says enough (emphasis added).
 
So yes Ilduce America annexed part of them (Guam) and Spain sold the rest of their central Pacific colonies to Germany.
but then liberated them instantly after the war ended, So therefore no gain.

If you say its pre-liberation. Then Bulgaria is still occupied by USSR and therefore, lost land instead of gain.
 
but then liberated them instantly after the war ended, So therefore no gain.

If you say its pre-liberation. Then Bulgaria is still occupied by USSR and therefore, lost land instead of gain.

No.... the Northern Marianas is an American commonwealth much as Puerto Rico is but it remained a "colony" for 30 years (until 1970s) then voted commonwealth status.
Plus America took Micronesia after ww2 and the islands had independence later. Marshall Islands(1986), Palau(1996), Micronesia(1986). Its obvious that America did gain some from WW2, not much but some which still counts.
 
They also lost alot more, (AKA Philippians, which succeeded right after the war. At the same time the consequences of the axis powers was decided)
America should be either Green or Blue if it was this.
 
They also lost alot more, (AKA Philippians, which succeeded right after the war. At the same time the consequences of the axis powers was decided)
America should be either Green or Blue if it was this.

As I said before.. the Philippine Independence was already preplanned before WW2 even occurred (IIRC).. so therefor it was not a consequence of WW2 and therefor invalid for the map.. stop changing things and historical fact to just make your claim right when it is obviously wrong.
 
ilduce, here is a timeline:

1884
Marshall Islands sold to Germany by Spain

1898
Spain cedes Guam, the Phillipines, and Peurto Rico to the US and gives US authority over Cuba

1899
The Carline Islands, Northern Marianas Islands, and Palau sold to Germnay by Spain

1914
Japan occupies the Northern Marianas Islands, Palau, Caroline Islands, and the Marshall Islands in WWI

1920
Japan granted a League of Nations Mandate for those territories

1935
Phillipines granted Commonwealth status as a step towards independence

1941
Phillipines occupied by the US

1943-45
The former German territories occupide by US forces and Phillipines liberated.
Soviet forces occupy and liberate Bulgaria

1946
The Phillipines granted independence to complete prior plans, not due to the Japanese invasion.
1947
The US, while maintianing control of the territories, is officially granted a UN Trust for the Marshall Islands, Palau, the Caroline Islands, and the Northern Marianas Islands
India granted independence as a culmination of numerous events. Yes, WWII did speed up the process, but was not a direct cause.

1978
The Commonwealth of the Northern Marianas Islands is set up, as a territory of the United States.

1979
The Republic of the Marshall islands and the Federated States of Micronesia established with self-government (US retains sovereignty)

1981
Republic of Palau is set up with self-government (US retains sovereignty).

1986
Compacts of Free Association grant the Republic of the Marshall islands and the Federated States of Micronesia sovereignty.

1994
The Republic of Palau gains sovereignty with its Compact of Association.

And that is where we stand today.
 
proof that it was prior plans?

You blind?

1935
Phillipines granted Commonwealth status as a step towards independence

By the outbreak of WWII the Philippines was pretty much independent except with the United States controlling defence (though it also had its own army) and foreign affairs.
 
So when America was granted colonial status to England in 1763, it was a step towards their indepence, which was planned by the crown before the revolution happened...

Thing is, the Philippines was not a colony in 1941. It was a self-governing state. As further prove it was preplanned, the Philippine Autonomy Act committed the United States to grant independence to the Philippines as soon as it was deemed ready, and the Tydings-McDuffie Act that founded the Commonwealth promised Filipino independence 12 years from 1934.

The Philippines already had their own War of Independence. Though the revolutionaries were defeated, the United States knew they couldn't suppress nationalist sentiment for very long.

Ilduce, you are wrong. Accept it. Move on.
 
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