Cosmichail
Dark Lord of The Sith
Are we running representation? I think Greyfox left it at HR but if not we should run HR as our happiness just isn't enough for Representation.
HAM-01: The Hanseatic League
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hamtastic
Hamburglar
Oh yeah. My bad. We are still running HR I guess. Duh. What I meant was switching back to bureaucracy. I presume our warring days are coming to an end, so we don't need the XP any more. Sorry for the confusion... Anyway, wanna switch to bureacracy?
hamtastic
Hamburglar
Hmmm. Yeah, that might be better. (especially as long as there are nice developed towns in our new-found gigantic amount of territory - which I think there are). SO yeaaaahhhh, free speech sounds good.
My sudden inability to remember much of anything about the state of our empire and the best civics is .... disturbing.
My sudden inability to remember much of anything about the state of our empire and the best civics is .... disturbing.
Cosmichail
Dark Lord of The Sith
Considering you are a hamburglar one might think "mad cow". (Shatner in Boston Legal too but he's got good lawyers to cover for him.) So don't worry we'll take care of you. ummmm what was your name again?
GreyFox
Make it so ...
I knew I would be UP in like all my 65,535 SGs one I get back home .... Go it, but don't expect a turnset report that soon.
Good fighting, Hamtastic and soooo ... agree on the switch back to bureacracy or free speech .... we are certainly done with Vassalage.
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Good fighting, Hamtastic and soooo ... agree on the switch back to bureacracy or free speech .... we are certainly done with Vassalage.
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GreyFox
Make it so ...
Minutes of the 330th Board Meeting
1. Motion to allow subsidiaries and employees to have freedom of speech.
Moved by: Soooo
Seconded by: Hamtastic
Motion passes unanimously.
2. Takeover bid against the Spanish Corp.
The managing director reported an update on the ongoing takeover bid against the Spanish corp. The Hansa League has successfully acquired Cordaba and Salamnca, while forcing the dissolution of Pamplona of the Spanish Corp.
The takeover bid seems to be nearing completion. The only company left that we are interested in is Barcelona. The Spanish is willing to negotiate and give us Valencia, but we have no idea where it is. The remaining spanish companies is of no interest for us, and should be dissolved if necessary.
There is a problem of managing the newly acquired companies. The board recommends establishing a regional HQ in one of the acquired company. For that, the managing director reports that a courthouse is already underway in Santiago office. If necessary, the courthouse should be upgraded to a regional HQ (read: Forbidden Palace).
3. Trading Update.
We signed a general memorandum with the Japanese to allow free communications between the salesman of the two corporation.
We have also acquired the secret of Artillery from the Russian Inc.
4. Company Upgrades
Lubeck is considering the purchase of a new staff entertainment system called the Broadway. The company is also upgrading the manufacturing facility (read: Ironworks) in Vsby, in preparation of establishing the United Traders Guild there.
5. AOB
The managing director reported a strange incident of our obsoleted equipment refusing to be upgraded. There is no explanation for this.
The managing director has also asked the board of directors to accept his resignation for his cancelation of a crucial trade with the Japanese.
The board has accepted the resignation but noted that they recognized the good intention of the managing director for doing so. The intention was to set up another trade with the Japanese using corns instead of clams, which we are in need. However, immediately after the cancellation of the trade, the Japanese transferred their fund somewhere else such that they no longer have the liquidity to conclude another trade with us.
The board of director will hold an extraordinary meeting to select a suitable successor for the Managing Director post.
>>> Annex: Video Recording of the Board Meeting <<<
1. Motion to allow subsidiaries and employees to have freedom of speech.
Moved by: Soooo
Seconded by: Hamtastic
Motion passes unanimously.
2. Takeover bid against the Spanish Corp.
The managing director reported an update on the ongoing takeover bid against the Spanish corp. The Hansa League has successfully acquired Cordaba and Salamnca, while forcing the dissolution of Pamplona of the Spanish Corp.
The takeover bid seems to be nearing completion. The only company left that we are interested in is Barcelona. The Spanish is willing to negotiate and give us Valencia, but we have no idea where it is. The remaining spanish companies is of no interest for us, and should be dissolved if necessary.
There is a problem of managing the newly acquired companies. The board recommends establishing a regional HQ in one of the acquired company. For that, the managing director reports that a courthouse is already underway in Santiago office. If necessary, the courthouse should be upgraded to a regional HQ (read: Forbidden Palace).
3. Trading Update.
We signed a general memorandum with the Japanese to allow free communications between the salesman of the two corporation.
We have also acquired the secret of Artillery from the Russian Inc.
4. Company Upgrades
Lubeck is considering the purchase of a new staff entertainment system called the Broadway. The company is also upgrading the manufacturing facility (read: Ironworks) in Vsby, in preparation of establishing the United Traders Guild there.
5. AOB
The managing director reported a strange incident of our obsoleted equipment refusing to be upgraded. There is no explanation for this.
The managing director has also asked the board of directors to accept his resignation for his cancelation of a crucial trade with the Japanese.
The board has accepted the resignation but noted that they recognized the good intention of the managing director for doing so. The intention was to set up another trade with the Japanese using corns instead of clams, which we are in need. However, immediately after the cancellation of the trade, the Japanese transferred their fund somewhere else such that they no longer have the liquidity to conclude another trade with us.
The board of director will hold an extraordinary meeting to select a suitable successor for the Managing Director post.
>>> Annex: Video Recording of the Board Meeting <<<
hamtastic
Hamburglar
Roster:
Hamtastic -
Greyfox - just played
Cosmichail - Up
Sooooo - On Deck
Looks like things are going well. Are Sally and Cathy still pleased?
Should we try to complete the variant victory conditions before winning even though it's a bit late, or should we just win? I'm in favor of the second, since getting 50k gold will be a bit tedious even at this stage of the game...
Hamtastic -
Greyfox - just played
Cosmichail - Up
Sooooo - On Deck
Looks like things are going well. Are Sally and Cathy still pleased?
Should we try to complete the variant victory conditions before winning even though it's a bit late, or should we just win? I'm in favor of the second, since getting 50k gold will be a bit tedious even at this stage of the game...
Cosmichail
Dark Lord of The Sith
I see that I am up but can't play until Sunday. I think we should just win but still think about accumulating some gold for reserves. (up in several SG's and have a long shift today)
GreyFox
Make it so ...
We have Artilleries and we have Cavalries. We should do well with defenses until tanks start appearing. Thus we could run 0% science after getting Mass Media to fulfill the 50k gold, although it might be a bit more assuring to get AssLine first.
Cathy and Sally are both pleased, while GK has elevated to friendly. Toku is still cautious with us.
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Cathy and Sally are both pleased, while GK has elevated to friendly. Toku is still cautious with us.
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Cosmichail
Dark Lord of The Sith
How about getting Cathy's A$$ and Line her up for a booty call. Time to play post later on....
Cosmichail
Dark Lord of The Sith
PART ONE
The CEO of the Hansa corporation had become to realize that in a new era of hostile takeovers and cut throat tactics, he needed more than just men in suits. He decided to consult the agency Dark Lord Covert Operations to enhance his ability to manage hostile takeovers more effectively. He was not unhappy with the progress but just felt that an additional edge would prove devastating to our competitors. This agency assisted in the further takeover of the Spanish Corp now bankrupt and reorganized as the New World Corporation trying to avoid the further onslaughts by the Hansa Corp and its friends. (Tyrannus Inc once known as the Mongol Corp) There were further concerns regarding Russian Inc and their hostile takeover of the ever peaceful and delightful Saladin Corp also once known as Religious artifacts.
During a meeting with the CEO of Saladin Corp he offered to trade with us sugar for wine and we obliged feeling it is a good offer and will help our unhappy crew. It would also further benefit the company considering sugar would make them work faster.
Our new acquired holding Seville built a library and started a barracks for better units to garrison the city. What concerned the CEO is the enormous stacks of Japan Inc that were going thru our land and that he might one day turn around and use them on us. Better to prepare and have some defense then to find ourselves caught without enough defenses. The holding Madrid certainly is a gem and it will start a courthouse so that we can build our second HQ there to better manage our ever growing corporation. It is noted however that we are experiencing difficulty with our staff because of hostile takeover of this corp but it wont be long before that company is finished.
Our beloved city Zwolle now thriving starts a university so that we may build the Oxford university for fast advancement if it is needed.
Our old city of Danzig has been building military and continues with that to keep us strong in the event of an attempted hostile takeover. The new holding of Salamanca starts a theater. Our forces with the assistance of the Dark Lord Covert Operations initiates operation Tundra wipe and removes the holding of Barcelona crippling the New World Corporation. Their attempts at disguising themselves with a new name did not manage to fool the Hansa corporation and their operatives.
Our lab team finds a method to communicate better known as radio and it has allowed us to enter the modern age and they recommend going to mass media. Our most productive city besides Visby is Rostock so there we start the build of the Eiffel Tower. We continue to build reinforcements for Seville but feel less stressed about it as the following report might shed some light.
CEO Van Helsing receives a phone call.
Secretary:
Sir its a phone call but they only identify themselves as Vader do you want to take it?
CEO:
Absolutely put them on immediately and Petra anytime you receive a phone call from this individual always put him through immediately.
Secretary:
Yes sir.
CEO:
Yes Vader what can I do for you my friend?
Vader:
It has come to our attention by our operatives that Tyrannus Inc is talking about a merger with Hansa at their higher levels. Their CEO Genghis is quite impressed by your company and we suggest you direct your corporate teams to find a method to make such a merger take place.
CEO:
I hope the board would find that beneficial to our corporation.
Vader:
They would be foolish not to do so as it would as one both corporations would dominate the world market.
CEO:
Is that right? You have been very helpful and will transmit the usual payment for your information to your Swiss bank holdings.
Vader:
Yes that would be fine and we also have more information for you.
CEO:
Included in the same fee or do you need another payment?
Vader:
What do you think?
CEO:
Ok instead of the usual 100K we will send 200K for your extra information.
Vader:
A mere pitons considering you stand to gain billions.
CEO:
Good point Vader and?
Vader:
The Japan Inc are looking to perform a hostile takeover of Hansa corp so I suggest you made inroads to getting this merger in place before they try. If you accomplish this deal they wont even think of trying.
CEO:
Youre information has been very useful and I am forwarding the 200K and 150K bonus.
Vader:
Thank you and now I must go.
CEO:
Thank you Vader your services have proved very helpful.
Van Helsing leaned back in chair and looked our from the corporate tower and thought for a moment. He was looking at the most recent reports and saw that Bruges built the Globe and was back on track providing us with corporate specialist which eased his mind somewhat.
Van Helsing:
Petra
Petra:
Yes Sir.
Van Helsing:
Get me the corporate team responsible for trades/mergers and acquisitions.
Petra:
Yes sir.
David Leung:
Yes corporate specialties.
Van Helsing:
David can you do your usual excellent work and change our team to investigate Communism.
David Leung:
Ah sir I dont think the board will like that. May I ask why?
Van Helsing:
No you may not and just do it ok.
David Leung:
Ok Ahrend but you never put a request to me that way before must be important.
Ahrend Van Helsing:
How does a few billion sound?
David Leung:
Ok but I have to keep it from the board
Ahrend:
I take full responsibility and you will understand once its done ok and well go to Singapore and get us some of those hot Asian girls for champagne and Jacuzzi.
David Leung:
DONE
Van Helsing goes back to his boring daily reports and as he reads them daydreams about the new headlines if and when the merger will take place. He did have a bit of concern as if it didnt work the board would have demoted to the mailroom.
He did like to see that Madrid finished a courthouse and significantly reduced our debt load and start the second headquarters for the corporation.
We did receive a request to enter into a hostile takeover of our friend Saladin Corp. by Russian Inc which has reorganized and renamed Ponytail Flipper. We declined their request and they didnt like it but it did not hurt our relations too much. We are much too dependent on some of the resources we are receiving from Saladin Corp.
We receive another request from the ever so miserable CEO GW and of course decline and to be honest who gives a crap hes furious so how much worse can it get.
The New World Corporation receives another huge blow to their corporation and loose their holdings Murcia which is also burned to the ground. The soldiers there had a weeny roast to celebrate.
We receive this intelligence report from our operatives which confirm Vaders findings.
He further made contact with Japan Inc and made this deal:
END OF PART ONE.
The CEO of the Hansa corporation had become to realize that in a new era of hostile takeovers and cut throat tactics, he needed more than just men in suits. He decided to consult the agency Dark Lord Covert Operations to enhance his ability to manage hostile takeovers more effectively. He was not unhappy with the progress but just felt that an additional edge would prove devastating to our competitors. This agency assisted in the further takeover of the Spanish Corp now bankrupt and reorganized as the New World Corporation trying to avoid the further onslaughts by the Hansa Corp and its friends. (Tyrannus Inc once known as the Mongol Corp) There were further concerns regarding Russian Inc and their hostile takeover of the ever peaceful and delightful Saladin Corp also once known as Religious artifacts.
During a meeting with the CEO of Saladin Corp he offered to trade with us sugar for wine and we obliged feeling it is a good offer and will help our unhappy crew. It would also further benefit the company considering sugar would make them work faster.
Our new acquired holding Seville built a library and started a barracks for better units to garrison the city. What concerned the CEO is the enormous stacks of Japan Inc that were going thru our land and that he might one day turn around and use them on us. Better to prepare and have some defense then to find ourselves caught without enough defenses. The holding Madrid certainly is a gem and it will start a courthouse so that we can build our second HQ there to better manage our ever growing corporation. It is noted however that we are experiencing difficulty with our staff because of hostile takeover of this corp but it wont be long before that company is finished.
Our beloved city Zwolle now thriving starts a university so that we may build the Oxford university for fast advancement if it is needed.
Our old city of Danzig has been building military and continues with that to keep us strong in the event of an attempted hostile takeover. The new holding of Salamanca starts a theater. Our forces with the assistance of the Dark Lord Covert Operations initiates operation Tundra wipe and removes the holding of Barcelona crippling the New World Corporation. Their attempts at disguising themselves with a new name did not manage to fool the Hansa corporation and their operatives.
Our lab team finds a method to communicate better known as radio and it has allowed us to enter the modern age and they recommend going to mass media. Our most productive city besides Visby is Rostock so there we start the build of the Eiffel Tower. We continue to build reinforcements for Seville but feel less stressed about it as the following report might shed some light.
CEO Van Helsing receives a phone call.
Secretary:
Sir its a phone call but they only identify themselves as Vader do you want to take it?
CEO:
Absolutely put them on immediately and Petra anytime you receive a phone call from this individual always put him through immediately.
Secretary:
Yes sir.
CEO:
Yes Vader what can I do for you my friend?
Vader:
It has come to our attention by our operatives that Tyrannus Inc is talking about a merger with Hansa at their higher levels. Their CEO Genghis is quite impressed by your company and we suggest you direct your corporate teams to find a method to make such a merger take place.
CEO:
I hope the board would find that beneficial to our corporation.
Vader:
They would be foolish not to do so as it would as one both corporations would dominate the world market.
CEO:
Is that right? You have been very helpful and will transmit the usual payment for your information to your Swiss bank holdings.
Vader:
Yes that would be fine and we also have more information for you.
CEO:
Included in the same fee or do you need another payment?
Vader:
What do you think?
CEO:
Ok instead of the usual 100K we will send 200K for your extra information.
Vader:
A mere pitons considering you stand to gain billions.
CEO:
Good point Vader and?
Vader:
The Japan Inc are looking to perform a hostile takeover of Hansa corp so I suggest you made inroads to getting this merger in place before they try. If you accomplish this deal they wont even think of trying.
CEO:
Youre information has been very useful and I am forwarding the 200K and 150K bonus.
Vader:
Thank you and now I must go.
CEO:
Thank you Vader your services have proved very helpful.
Van Helsing leaned back in chair and looked our from the corporate tower and thought for a moment. He was looking at the most recent reports and saw that Bruges built the Globe and was back on track providing us with corporate specialist which eased his mind somewhat.
Van Helsing:
Petra
Petra:
Yes Sir.
Van Helsing:
Get me the corporate team responsible for trades/mergers and acquisitions.
Petra:
Yes sir.
David Leung:
Yes corporate specialties.
Van Helsing:
David can you do your usual excellent work and change our team to investigate Communism.
David Leung:
Ah sir I dont think the board will like that. May I ask why?
Van Helsing:
No you may not and just do it ok.
David Leung:
Ok Ahrend but you never put a request to me that way before must be important.
Ahrend Van Helsing:
How does a few billion sound?
David Leung:
Ok but I have to keep it from the board
Ahrend:
I take full responsibility and you will understand once its done ok and well go to Singapore and get us some of those hot Asian girls for champagne and Jacuzzi.
David Leung:
DONE
Van Helsing goes back to his boring daily reports and as he reads them daydreams about the new headlines if and when the merger will take place. He did have a bit of concern as if it didnt work the board would have demoted to the mailroom.
He did like to see that Madrid finished a courthouse and significantly reduced our debt load and start the second headquarters for the corporation.
We did receive a request to enter into a hostile takeover of our friend Saladin Corp. by Russian Inc which has reorganized and renamed Ponytail Flipper. We declined their request and they didnt like it but it did not hurt our relations too much. We are much too dependent on some of the resources we are receiving from Saladin Corp.
We receive another request from the ever so miserable CEO GW and of course decline and to be honest who gives a crap hes furious so how much worse can it get.
The New World Corporation receives another huge blow to their corporation and loose their holdings Murcia which is also burned to the ground. The soldiers there had a weeny roast to celebrate.
We receive this intelligence report from our operatives which confirm Vaders findings.
He further made contact with Japan Inc and made this deal:
END OF PART ONE.
Cosmichail
Dark Lord of The Sith
Reserved for PART TWO
PART TWO
We are again receiving operative reports of Japan Incs massive army and feel that a constant reinforcement is necessary. Ergo Santiago starts a barracks to build experienced defenders.
Van Helsing contacts the Ponytail Flipper Inc and makes this deal only to find out it has been reorganized and renamed Caucasia Inc
We cancelled the fish deal giving us some health again and sold spices increasing it from 14 gold to 19 gold.
Our holdings continue to build modern defenses as Kiel starts a rifle and Bruges a Machine Gunner. Seville finishes a rifle and starts an artillery. Cordoba starts barracks but might not be necessary.
It is now the year 1946 and it will be remembered by many. Our team discovers communism and this allows us to pursue a merger (non hostile) with Tyrannus Inc.
Van Helsing:
Petra would you please call the CEO of Tyrannus Inc and use one of our secured lines.
Petra:
Yes Ahrend
Van Helsing:
Oh Petra are you up to heading out to Moscow this evening for some fun and business.
Petra;
Mmmmm dont want to sound easy but oh yeah baby
Mr. Khan is on the line sir.
Van Helsing:
Thanks Petra.
Genghis how you today my good friend?
GK:
Good, good and so what may I do for you today Ahrend.
Van Helsing:
Well there is a time when a corporations like ours need to expand and ask that you consider a joint venture with our corporation of a permanent nature. How does 1.2 billion sound GK.
GK:
A little light on the offer how about 1.5 billion?
VH:
(Van Helsing was thinking in the 2 billion range but always starts low to see where the deal will go)
Yes that is more than we had in mind but ok that will work for us. Is that acceptable?
GK:
Absolutely Ahrend how about we meet for lunch to finalize the deal. We will let our corporate lawyers make the final arrangements.
VH:
Excellent we will now be the largest corporation in the world. (and rule the galaxy)
GK:
Let us live long and prosper Ahrend and see you soon.
VH:
A pleasure as always.
We receive further word of this development but are disappointed that New world corp has managed to hold out with a small holding.
Our force that just finished Valencia should be able to finish that city off if GK or Toku doesnt. It is better to get rid of the New World corp to ensure she dont mess up our vote at the UN.
Also Greyfox you may recall this regarding building wonders with PA partners. There is a trick to it and if you dont remember Greyfox I will go back to our thread of VQ06B and see what Chris told us there as we need to follow that or we might loose it. It doesnt matter though if GK builds it but AI doesnt do things smart and might take too long. Whatever city we build it in we should get rid of all of cottages and put up workshops. Also we can go to state property which might be advisable for coin however if it is against our philosophy being capitalist I certainly understand and agree. Only with SP we can use workshops with extra food.
Now I recently turned down Cathy which in hindsight might not be helpful but I really didnt want a war with Saladin at the time and loosing all those resources would have killed our cities. We will need a friendly civ for a third vote for diplomatic vote. Cathy will be our competitor so either Saladin who is pleased but might not survive Cathys onslaught or Toku who is cautious and will be a big job getting to friendly. Forget about GW hes hates us and we can go to war against to get the majority. GK is on one side of him and we on the other and I dont think he can withstand the both of us so its a team decision how we go about it. I hope taking the Permanent Alliance is ok with the team since hes the only one that would (they have to be friendly for it to happen and so many turns in DP or mutual war) Cathy is pleased and is fine on her own. Saladin is pleased too and wouldnt do as he is a poor candidate anyways considering his relationship with Cathy.
Phew this turn took quite a while as it might be my last if we play this right. BTW there is only 1 turn left on Mass Media. And for those unfamiliar with PA in order to get your partner to research what you want them to use the Lets discuss this option. Also know that it cost us more beakers now to research techs and I agree with Greyfox lets get AssLine and stop research and get some coin.
(I just remembered the trick. Let GK finish research on Mass Media. So change our research to something else just before the last turn. Now we are on the last turn together but if we switch GK will have 11 turns. So maybe drop our research amount to get it so that we can change and GK will only have one turn left. Once he completes it we can build it first. VERY IMPORTANT AND WILL VERIFY IN VQ06B THREAD. DO YOU CONCUR GREYFOX?)
PART TWO
We are again receiving operative reports of Japan Incs massive army and feel that a constant reinforcement is necessary. Ergo Santiago starts a barracks to build experienced defenders.
Van Helsing contacts the Ponytail Flipper Inc and makes this deal only to find out it has been reorganized and renamed Caucasia Inc
We cancelled the fish deal giving us some health again and sold spices increasing it from 14 gold to 19 gold.
Our holdings continue to build modern defenses as Kiel starts a rifle and Bruges a Machine Gunner. Seville finishes a rifle and starts an artillery. Cordoba starts barracks but might not be necessary.
It is now the year 1946 and it will be remembered by many. Our team discovers communism and this allows us to pursue a merger (non hostile) with Tyrannus Inc.
Van Helsing:
Petra would you please call the CEO of Tyrannus Inc and use one of our secured lines.
Petra:
Yes Ahrend
Van Helsing:
Oh Petra are you up to heading out to Moscow this evening for some fun and business.
Petra;
Mmmmm dont want to sound easy but oh yeah baby
Mr. Khan is on the line sir.
Van Helsing:
Thanks Petra.
Genghis how you today my good friend?
GK:
Good, good and so what may I do for you today Ahrend.
Van Helsing:
Well there is a time when a corporations like ours need to expand and ask that you consider a joint venture with our corporation of a permanent nature. How does 1.2 billion sound GK.
GK:
A little light on the offer how about 1.5 billion?
VH:
(Van Helsing was thinking in the 2 billion range but always starts low to see where the deal will go)
Yes that is more than we had in mind but ok that will work for us. Is that acceptable?
GK:
Absolutely Ahrend how about we meet for lunch to finalize the deal. We will let our corporate lawyers make the final arrangements.
VH:
Excellent we will now be the largest corporation in the world. (and rule the galaxy)
GK:
Let us live long and prosper Ahrend and see you soon.
VH:
A pleasure as always.
We receive further word of this development but are disappointed that New world corp has managed to hold out with a small holding.
Our force that just finished Valencia should be able to finish that city off if GK or Toku doesnt. It is better to get rid of the New World corp to ensure she dont mess up our vote at the UN.
Also Greyfox you may recall this regarding building wonders with PA partners. There is a trick to it and if you dont remember Greyfox I will go back to our thread of VQ06B and see what Chris told us there as we need to follow that or we might loose it. It doesnt matter though if GK builds it but AI doesnt do things smart and might take too long. Whatever city we build it in we should get rid of all of cottages and put up workshops. Also we can go to state property which might be advisable for coin however if it is against our philosophy being capitalist I certainly understand and agree. Only with SP we can use workshops with extra food.
Now I recently turned down Cathy which in hindsight might not be helpful but I really didnt want a war with Saladin at the time and loosing all those resources would have killed our cities. We will need a friendly civ for a third vote for diplomatic vote. Cathy will be our competitor so either Saladin who is pleased but might not survive Cathys onslaught or Toku who is cautious and will be a big job getting to friendly. Forget about GW hes hates us and we can go to war against to get the majority. GK is on one side of him and we on the other and I dont think he can withstand the both of us so its a team decision how we go about it. I hope taking the Permanent Alliance is ok with the team since hes the only one that would (they have to be friendly for it to happen and so many turns in DP or mutual war) Cathy is pleased and is fine on her own. Saladin is pleased too and wouldnt do as he is a poor candidate anyways considering his relationship with Cathy.
Phew this turn took quite a while as it might be my last if we play this right. BTW there is only 1 turn left on Mass Media. And for those unfamiliar with PA in order to get your partner to research what you want them to use the Lets discuss this option. Also know that it cost us more beakers now to research techs and I agree with Greyfox lets get AssLine and stop research and get some coin.
(I just remembered the trick. Let GK finish research on Mass Media. So change our research to something else just before the last turn. Now we are on the last turn together but if we switch GK will have 11 turns. So maybe drop our research amount to get it so that we can change and GK will only have one turn left. Once he completes it we can build it first. VERY IMPORTANT AND WILL VERIFY IN VQ06B THREAD. DO YOU CONCUR GREYFOX?)
hamtastic
Hamburglar
Dang. That was a great write-up. Very interesting set of turns, also. Lots of stuff going on. Going for the PA is fine with me. I can't say I really understand the whole thing about building wonders, but I'll go read through VQ06 if I need to. EDIT: I think I just figured it out...
Roster:
Hamtastic - on deck
Greyfox
Cosmichail - just played
Sooooo - UP, UP, and AWAY!
Quick question of interest: do we share resources now as well? Does that mean we have a lot more to sell all of a sudden?
Hey also, couldn't we roll over Washington pretty easy now? Or am I missing something? Back-door UN?
Roster:
Hamtastic - on deck
Greyfox
Cosmichail - just played
Sooooo - UP, UP, and AWAY!
Quick question of interest: do we share resources now as well? Does that mean we have a lot more to sell all of a sudden?
Hey also, couldn't we roll over Washington pretty easy now? Or am I missing something? Back-door UN?
Cosmichail
Dark Lord of The Sith
I can't recall on the resources but we can ask GK for any of his resources but we shouldn't stifle him either. (I don't think we have more to sell though) We do share research and if we are at war so is he. So if we go after GW he will be at war too and attack. I do remember if he has oil we have it too but need to go back to VQ06B to remember how it went again. You can even ask him to direct his forces on a specific city thru Let's discuss. Getting late so heading for bed and will check later today. It's an older thread.
So definitely a back-door UN is likely if we can't get a third vote that is friendly. GW doesn't stand a chance and nice thing is GK has all our techs too so he is a lot stronger. We should finish Mass Media in the manner as described and then go for Assembly Line for infantry and really do him some damage. Since our relation is so poor he will vote for Cathy so removing him maybe a good idea but we should keep his cities. I just felt those Spanish cities were going to be overwhelmed by his culture and the others cities stank.
So definitely a back-door UN is likely if we can't get a third vote that is friendly. GW doesn't stand a chance and nice thing is GK has all our techs too so he is a lot stronger. We should finish Mass Media in the manner as described and then go for Assembly Line for infantry and really do him some damage. Since our relation is so poor he will vote for Cathy so removing him maybe a good idea but we should keep his cities. I just felt those Spanish cities were going to be overwhelmed by his culture and the others cities stank.
GreyFox
Make it so ...
Don't need to shout 
... your explanation is correct. The thing is to let your PA finish the research, then on that turn you will be able to build the UN one step infront of him.
No resources are not shared ... but you can downright ask for the sky and your PA puppet would gladly wag his tails and give it to you.
Now, I don't know if you can vote yourself to diplomatic victory ... if so, fine. Else, going for PA might be a mistake.
Assuming we don't have 62% of the world pop to vote ourselves to victory, we have 3 paths:
(A) Rope in Sally
We have work on Saladin or Toku. No need to stay on the good side of Cathy. While building the UN, keep upgrading our forces in preparation for a war with Cathy. That should pretty much secure Sally's vote. We don't have to kill cathy, we just need to get Sally to vote us in.
(B) Rope in Toku while decreasing other votes
Declare on Washy and rope in Toku for brownie points ... meanwhile try to kill Washy ... this decrease his vote percentage which indirectly increases ours.
(C) Get Cathy to Friendly
Build the UN and gift it to Washy/Sally. Try to make Cathy friendly by declaring on Sally perhaps.
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... your explanation is correct. The thing is to let your PA finish the research, then on that turn you will be able to build the UN one step infront of him.No resources are not shared ... but you can downright ask for the sky and your PA puppet would gladly wag his tails and give it to you.
Now, I don't know if you can vote yourself to diplomatic victory ... if so, fine. Else, going for PA might be a mistake.
Assuming we don't have 62% of the world pop to vote ourselves to victory, we have 3 paths:
(A) Rope in Sally
We have work on Saladin or Toku. No need to stay on the good side of Cathy. While building the UN, keep upgrading our forces in preparation for a war with Cathy. That should pretty much secure Sally's vote. We don't have to kill cathy, we just need to get Sally to vote us in.
(B) Rope in Toku while decreasing other votes
Declare on Washy and rope in Toku for brownie points ... meanwhile try to kill Washy ... this decrease his vote percentage which indirectly increases ours.
(C) Get Cathy to Friendly
Build the UN and gift it to Washy/Sally. Try to make Cathy friendly by declaring on Sally perhaps.
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Cosmichail
Dark Lord of The Sith
Apoligies Herr Maestro, but I didn't want that to be missed.
I think before we decide we have to calculate which option is the best
A, B, or C.
As to diplomatic victory doesn't matter as long as you have enough votes/population even if it is you and your PAs.
Personally I like A the best why:
Cathy is too big and continuing in that direction. Then we should go for our UU since it is very powerful.
She might at some point take all of Sally and prove to be prevent us from winning diplomatic vote.
We could even consider B too but I don't know if we can get Toku to friendly much more likely to get Saladin to friendly.
C.
This is feasible but which city do we gift it would have to be close to Sally and gifting Bruges is out if you ask me. Maybe one of the Spanish cities but Ai sometimes won't accept cities that far from their lands.
So before getting into the numbers I say option A.
However we just could go for GW to get the numbers up but again I am concerned about Cathy taking out Saladin eventually. It's a team call all four of us like the Beatles.
EDIT: There is more to this and other things could happen like GW could build it before us as he is teching not bad. I should have looked at the victory screen and see where we at but wanted to finish since it took a while to do this, however quite enjoyed the turn. So let us form a consensus but our plans might be altered by other circumstances so sometimes a plan is great but we may have to improvise. I feel that a win is in the bag with PA and GK is a good warring partner.
I think before we decide we have to calculate which option is the best
A, B, or C.
As to diplomatic victory doesn't matter as long as you have enough votes/population even if it is you and your PAs.
Personally I like A the best why:
Cathy is too big and continuing in that direction. Then we should go for our UU since it is very powerful.
She might at some point take all of Sally and prove to be prevent us from winning diplomatic vote.
We could even consider B too but I don't know if we can get Toku to friendly much more likely to get Saladin to friendly.
C.
This is feasible but which city do we gift it would have to be close to Sally and gifting Bruges is out if you ask me. Maybe one of the Spanish cities but Ai sometimes won't accept cities that far from their lands.
So before getting into the numbers I say option A.
However we just could go for GW to get the numbers up but again I am concerned about Cathy taking out Saladin eventually. It's a team call all four of us like the Beatles.
EDIT: There is more to this and other things could happen like GW could build it before us as he is teching not bad. I should have looked at the victory screen and see where we at but wanted to finish since it took a while to do this, however quite enjoyed the turn. So let us form a consensus but our plans might be altered by other circumstances so sometimes a plan is great but we may have to improvise. I feel that a win is in the bag with PA and GK is a good warring partner.
hamtastic
Hamburglar
I'm confused about option C. I guess since we have the most combined pop we'd be up rather than Cathy, but are you certain about that? If so, it's a good option, but it seems a bit... devious. I might prefer A in that case - it's much more direct. 
Also, the prospect of building something quickly enough to get it first means we'd be building in a decent city, which I can't really see wanting to give away. I still think we should kill GW though, but I suppose we don't have to if that doesn't really help our overall goal. 
Also, the prospect of building something quickly enough to get it first means we'd be building in a decent city, which I can't really see wanting to give away. I still think we should kill GW though, but I suppose we don't have to if that doesn't really help our overall goal.
Cosmichail
Dark Lord of The Sith
Yep had a look again at the save and GK is friendly with Toku but that doesn't help us. Going for GW is probably a good option but we might find having to fight cathy with gunships. Although I think we might have enough votes taking George out. I think we should just build UN and see from there. Let's take a break from war and hope Izzy doesn't have any more cities. After we finish her get to industrialism for our UU build up some cash and go crazy with tanks and see which one we should attack. GW is the best located and suited for us but again Cathy is a threat in that she is taking a lot of Saladin's lands. If we have enough with GK/US/GW's cities then let's go that route.
I am not into gifting a good city away which will have to be in order to build it quickly.
I am not into gifting a good city away which will have to be in order to build it quickly.
Not looked at the save but ...
It's good we're PAed with Genghis. He usually has a hige army to help our cause.
I think if Toku is friendly with Genghis then he will vote for us. AIs base their vote on both parties of an alliance, right?
For Saladin's vote, we should help him in his war against Cathy if it continues for much longer, and possibly get Toku involved too.
It's good we're PAed with Genghis. He usually has a hige army to help our cause.
I think if Toku is friendly with Genghis then he will vote for us. AIs base their vote on both parties of an alliance, right?
For Saladin's vote, we should help him in his war against Cathy if it continues for much longer, and possibly get Toku involved too.
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