Hatshepsut

[volkanbadem]

is Hatshepsut the weakest leader?
i 've played approximately 20-25 games at noble level in oasis map.i always choose ottomans.
everytime Hatshepsut included in my games, she has been taken as vassal state by other empires. she is the first to be attacked by other empires.
the ai seems not to be able to control her well.

 

[gettingfat]

Hatshy may be weak as an AI, but in human players' hand she is probably 1 of the top ten leaders.

She is an amazing early rusher. With the combo of spiritual and creative she also makes a good candidate for cultural victory. Just because the computer does not know how to use these strength does not make her a weak leader.

 

[czechdude]

Actually, the computer dosn't play well with anybody but Gandi and Mansa.

 

[Swedishguy]

Let me introduce you to Mansa Musa.

 

[Onagan]

In my last Noble game, Hatshepsut was by far the strongest Civ.

 

[SkippyT]

Well, IMO hatshepsut is strong with the Ai playing as her!
She often founds a religion, confucianism, christianity or islam and has a good military and is capable of conquering lands (especially with War chariots)



aren't all the leaders pretty bad at noble level, by the way?

 

[Zyura]

Hatshepsut only spreads her religion.Occationally builds some wonders too.The most harmless leader in Civ4.

 

[bonafide11]

She's my favorite leader to play with! I love the war chariots, her buildings make it easy to not only find a religion, but get its shrine up early. Creative allows you to claim land early and spiritual helps you take advantage of civics you wouldn't normally use throughout the game.

Not sure if she's a good AI leader, but she's a very strong leader for a smart human.

On an interesting sidenote, I just learned that Hatshepsut dressed like a man and wore a beard to maintain her claim to the throne. Apparently she didn't actually look anything like the cute lil chick she is in Civilization

 

[KMadCandy]

she's really cute in civ. i feel soooooo bad when i deny her a demand and she says "that's not very nice" with the little pout.

i like having her as an opponent (usually) since she's very forgiving if i treat her mean for a bit. i don't necessarily like her right next door to me if i don't have an early UU and wasn't planning on the whole rushing thing. i don't recall ever seeing her do particularly well in a war played by the AI tho. i do use her a lot in my "i want to play a peaceful aim-for-diplo-win OCC" games where i have to get AI votes by definition since i'll have so few votes myself, she's a great opponent for those.

i'm not good at the early-rush thing but she is one of the leaders that i tend to do fairly well with it. cyrus is another, i haven't tried ramsses. because i have so little experience with it, i consistently run into "OMG my economy and research are so terrible since i've been building only units and i'm spread out" issues, but that's a part of learning how to early rush i guess.

Actually, the computer dosn't play well with anybody but Gandi and Mansa.

i've seen all AI leaders crash and burn, but i remember separate games where monty, louis, and nappy tore up their continents! depends on difficulty level and very much on their starting circumstances i think. in every game that an AI has wiped out a civ without me being in war with the wiped-out civ too, those civs on an isolated continent; i'd not met them until after the war (or at the very very end). if they don't get settled into "happy happy one religion land", or they're a mix of non-traders, it can turn into always-war over there to some extent and the results can be really surprising by the time i meet them.

it's kinda fun. at a high enough level, if monty steals enough decent land from other civs, including capital spots, and then has limited war targets to get distracted by, he can tech up okay. and since i haven't had time to piss him off yet, i can trade with him, and he did have techs i didn't!

 

[Phoenix1595]

I don't think Hatshepsut is weak by any means in the sp games I play with her... she usually is the frontrunner in expansion and building, and the only AI worthy to play me as a perm ally. In the past year-and-half that I've played Civ4, Mansa and Gandhi have typically been weak (and the other AI players ALWAYS hate poor Mansa, for some reason), so I can't quantify czechdude's statement.

It does seem odd that some players' AI experience is across-the-board. Must be a big conspiracy over at Firaxis.

 

[Antilogic]

I've observed that Hatshepsut will focus on some wonders and expansion, often at the expense of her military. That means she is easy prey for other civilizations, especially more violent ones, on her borders. I watched the sum of Egypt gobbled up by the Mongols one game, and it scared me pretty badly because old Genghis was suddenly at 30% of the world, while I was struggling to get 25%. Solid game, and a close call for the AI nearly toppling me in the conquering department.

I rarely see Hatshepsut declare war unless Aggressive AI is turned on, and even then she is not the most successful warmonger. Her setup isn't all that bad--I've played a successful game as her (and thinking about another one), but overall she's not strong in the AI hands.

 

[sabo]

I like her, as long as I'm friendly with her she'll do anything I want. "gimme a resource please", "go to war against this civ for me please". She hardly ever turns me down.

She is SUCH a sweetie!!

 

[SilverTab]

She's always the world's punching bag in my games, too. Like ALWAYS. She's always begging me to help her, too. But sadly, I just let her get beat up. Asoka is always tough when I play. As is Brennus, Hannibal, and Frederick. Monty gets kicked around a lot, too. The AI sucks with him, but damn he's annoying. Genghis and Tokugawa seem to be impossible to please.

 

[ollj]

the AI is not smart enough to use cavalry, especially the earliest one.

 

[Antilogic]

the AI is not smart enough to use cavalry, especially the earliest one.

If you mean "smart enough to use cavalry properly", then I agree. However, the AI are fanatics with the cavalry--I've been rushed by a stack of 10 knights with siege equipment (that's all) in the Middle Ages and worse. They definitely use the two-move units...

It's also a matter of having the resources early on for the UU: that's why I like Classical UUs to Industrial UUs (afterwards, they tend to be of little use, as I have already won or nearly won by then).