lord_graywolfe
Wolfman
ok tried it again after a complete purge and reinstall of the game. i made sure this was the only mod i had installed. crashed again but with a different error this time. the first mentioned far horizons in it this one doesnt.
Heart of Destiny
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Sword_Of_Geddon
Arbiter of the Sword
I cant see why it wont work. Nobody else is getting that error... 
lord_graywolfe
Wolfman
where am i suppose to put the pedilicons at? i installed the new big and the beta patch and then the other pedilicons you posted to c/program files/ infrogames interactive/ civilation III/conquests/scenarios. all the other mods ive install for this have a folder under scenarios that the art and test files go into. heart of detiny didnt create a folder. do i need to make one like i did for far horizons? and if so are the art and text folders at?
lord_graywolfe
Wolfman
hmmm i went to reinstall far horizons and now it wont work getting the same error as heart of destiny. i must of messed somthing up with install far horizons cause it worked before, and what ever i did there is probally the same problem with heart of destiny. course before my errror was due to far horizons
lord_graywolfe
Wolfman
well i figured out what i did wrong with far horizons, i hadnt put the pedilicons file in the text folder, now it works again. the problem im getting with heart of destiny is it doesnt have art or text folders. every error i get is related to it not being able to find them. is it suppose to use far horizons? or do i need to make new ones for it.
Sword_Of_Geddon
Arbiter of the Sword
lord_graywolfe said:
there should be an art and a text foldier....everyone else has had no porblems with this...
lord_graywolfe
Wolfman
ive downloaded and installed everything for hearts of destiny but a folder for art and text have never showed up. they show up for every other mod ive downloaded and ran on here just not this one. is there somewhere else i can download the mod?
Sword_Of_Geddon
Arbiter of the Sword
Honestly I have no idea whats going on. Tjedge and Coltrane both have art foldiers. Have you looked inside the zip foldier?
Bjornlo
Deity
Per your request:
I don't bother with the replaces other items with this flag. I leave that for powerplants.
besides it is possible to have competeing religious factions. Having some precentage of your population find Jesus, wouldn't stop others from still following the old belief system. For this reason I have very brief periods of over lap, and then the older one is still there, but now just as a memento of days gone by. No one is going to build a new pagen movement with any force. So having the city lose the ability to build these old structures is better then having them build one type and then another and so on and on...
In the case of the sacrificial alter (Or monolith in my game) I have the abiltity to have both the temple and the monolith. But a temple requires incense, and a monolith requires nothing. The monolith and temple both go obsolete at the same time. But, I could have the alter/monolith behave the same way as the temple/church. A brief period of overlap and then the old one is just a decoration.
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You had asked me to go into more depth on this in this thread.
I think I was fairly complete above, but I'll try.
Religion has evolved over time. Early relgions were typically ancestor or other pagan thing.
So in my game I have it set as follows:
Early game, there is the monolith (or could be alter). This upgrades to nothing. And falls into disuse when more advanced belief systems crop up (I know some asians still engage in ancestor worship today, but bear with me).
If you have insense, you can build temples. The effect of temples is the same as currently in the game. The effect of the monolith/alter is the same except it gives 1/2 the culture. Since it serves primarily to sooth those that live there, not draw new inhabitents in.
I added a number of pseudo eras to my game by creating choke points. Spots where all tribes must pass through to advance to the next era. This is similar to how the current era system works. These include such things as The dark ages, age of discovery, age of reason, computer age, and a 1-2 others I may have forgotten. The purpose of these is to lump similar era technologies together, while still allowing moderately free selection of most techs within an era. The choke-point technologies take far longer to research, and typically require all or almost all of the subordinate techs to be known.
One of these technologies, the dark ages gives the ability to build churches. The dark ages also allows the research of monotheism.
Once the dark ages have are in your past, you must fairly quickly build churches... this represents both the dawn of christianity, and it's rapid spread. Pagan idols and temples both go obsolete with monothesism. Cathederals do not require pagan temples to build catherals, but instead require christian churches. Catherals now require a new technology to be built, architecture. Now some older buildings did show some architectural ability, but the rarity of these eddifaces is what made them wonders. Cathederals on the other hand require that this knowledge be codified and fairly wide spread, since otherwise there can not be these great churches in every major city.
These theories can be adapted to other (non-christian) beliefs as well. Muslim, etc.
I have made religious buildings to cover most of the more common faiths.
I don't differentiate between catholicism and protestism nor do I seperate Sunni from Wahabi, prefering instead more generic labels.
I don't bother with the replaces other items with this flag. I leave that for powerplants.
besides it is possible to have competeing religious factions. Having some precentage of your population find Jesus, wouldn't stop others from still following the old belief system. For this reason I have very brief periods of over lap, and then the older one is still there, but now just as a memento of days gone by. No one is going to build a new pagen movement with any force. So having the city lose the ability to build these old structures is better then having them build one type and then another and so on and on...
In the case of the sacrificial alter (Or monolith in my game) I have the abiltity to have both the temple and the monolith. But a temple requires incense, and a monolith requires nothing. The monolith and temple both go obsolete at the same time. But, I could have the alter/monolith behave the same way as the temple/church. A brief period of overlap and then the old one is just a decoration.
---
You had asked me to go into more depth on this in this thread.
I think I was fairly complete above, but I'll try.
Religion has evolved over time. Early relgions were typically ancestor or other pagan thing.
So in my game I have it set as follows:
Early game, there is the monolith (or could be alter). This upgrades to nothing. And falls into disuse when more advanced belief systems crop up (I know some asians still engage in ancestor worship today, but bear with me).
If you have insense, you can build temples. The effect of temples is the same as currently in the game. The effect of the monolith/alter is the same except it gives 1/2 the culture. Since it serves primarily to sooth those that live there, not draw new inhabitents in.
I added a number of pseudo eras to my game by creating choke points. Spots where all tribes must pass through to advance to the next era. This is similar to how the current era system works. These include such things as The dark ages, age of discovery, age of reason, computer age, and a 1-2 others I may have forgotten. The purpose of these is to lump similar era technologies together, while still allowing moderately free selection of most techs within an era. The choke-point technologies take far longer to research, and typically require all or almost all of the subordinate techs to be known.
One of these technologies, the dark ages gives the ability to build churches. The dark ages also allows the research of monotheism.
Once the dark ages have are in your past, you must fairly quickly build churches... this represents both the dawn of christianity, and it's rapid spread. Pagan idols and temples both go obsolete with monothesism. Cathederals do not require pagan temples to build catherals, but instead require christian churches. Catherals now require a new technology to be built, architecture. Now some older buildings did show some architectural ability, but the rarity of these eddifaces is what made them wonders. Cathederals on the other hand require that this knowledge be codified and fairly wide spread, since otherwise there can not be these great churches in every major city.
These theories can be adapted to other (non-christian) beliefs as well. Muslim, etc.
I have made religious buildings to cover most of the more common faiths.
I don't differentiate between catholicism and protestism nor do I seperate Sunni from Wahabi, prefering instead more generic labels.
lord_graywolfe
Wolfman
yeah i looked into the zip folder and they arent in there. ive downloaded both the first one and the new big several times ive also used both netscape and IE it doesnt matter no art or text folder comes with the download
lord_graywolfe
Wolfman
any chance you could post or send me the art and text folders for the mod? and anything else that was suppose to be in there. all i got was the big.
Sword_Of_Geddon
Arbiter of the Sword
Everything should be in the main zip... 
Thanks Bjorn for your post...I appreciate it alot.
Thanks Bjorn for your post...I appreciate it alot.
lord_graywolfe
Wolfman
dont know why but they arent in the zip i download
Bjornlo
Deity
Sword_Of_Geddon said:
No worries, thanks for your hard work on this mod. If you want more info on what I've done here, just let me know. But I am not the definitive Civ3 guru... just a fan.
I only started making stuff because I saw some holes I could plug in my own game.
tjedge1
Writer of writerly things
lord_graywolfe said:
Try this post. I compiled a bunch of the downloads into one post for new testers coming in. There might be more but they ar after this post so there are less pages to scan for the stuff if you want to.
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=2949822&postcount=301
lord_graywolfe
Wolfman
those are the ones ive been downloading from. thats the page SoG gave me. all i get is the big nothing else when i down load them. next to the download link it list the size of 52.6k and inside when i download it is one file of 53 k. now i dont know how big the art and text files are for hearts of destiny but in far horizons the art folder alone is 393m so it the size of that file would indicate that its missing something.
Sword_Of_Geddon
Arbiter of the Sword
lol Greywolfe, the main download is at the top of the download post,
http://www.3ddownloads.com/civfanatics/civ3/modpacks/Far_Horizons.exe
http://www.3ddownloads.com/civfanatics/civ3/modpacks/Far_Horizons.exe
lord_graywolfe
Wolfman
oh i didnt even see that one....i just saw the other four in the middle.....that explains a whole lot lol.......sigh thanks guys 
lord_graywolfe
Wolfman
ok i used that one, which is named far horizons, so am i suppose to use the heart of destiny or far horizons when i start the game. if its heart of destiny do i change the folder name from far horizons?. where do i install the souix download? after i installed everything again and tried starting it up it couldnt find sitting bull
lord_graywolfe
Wolfman
hmmm ok i got the soiux flic installed with the others but thats not the file its missing this is the error i got and i can find this file anywhere. oh well maybe im not ment to play this one lol.....in the mean time ive taken to learning how to write my own mod untill i get this one figured out.
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