Hellenistic Times Scenario

[Kyriakos]

very nice map there

my byz map doesnt have egypt or persia, and has the entire balcans, which is why i didnt suggest it

 

[Takhisis]

Oh, I see. Well, Exsanguination´s map gave me an idea anyway, so thanks.

Does anyone know which games´ animations are possible to transform into civ3-flc? If so, how?

I´m now posting a few new m-units request:
Three Mid-Eastern Slingers
Armenian Armored Foot Spearmen
Hellenistic Sci-Leader & Great Leader
Mid-Eastern Light Spearmen.

And a leaderheads´ request:
Mitridates of Pontus
Orodes of Parthia
Seleuch Nicátor (Seleucid)
Spartacus the Thracian
Antigonus the Macedonian
Tigranes of Armenia
Nicomedes of Bitynia
A leader for Galatia and a Cappadocian one also (I do not know the names of any leaders from any of those two regions, what a shame)
A leader for the Independent Greek Cities.

 

[Takhisis]

Next weekend I´m gonna set on the map and do it once and for all. Now I´ve got to study (after a refreshing half-hour of reinstalling Conquests).
Don´t ask about the map until next weekend!

 

[Gunner]

Look at RFRE (in my sig) for ideas on the leaderheads. It has many of the civs you are requesting for.

 

[Takhisis]

Is there any way to download the separate files without downloading the whole thing? With my download rate, it would mean 8-10 hours of downloading, you know.Mi Internet connection is really slow.

Also,

I've created a ton of new Greek units for my Anno Domini mod, which is out soon. They're mainly hoplites and swordsmen. However they are single units - am I to assume by your request that you're looking for multi-units?

Could I have a look at those units you were talking about? Even if they´re not m-units, they might come in useful.

 

[Rob (R8XFT)]

Here's the Greek units that I've done for my mod. Please note that they won't be released until the mod comes out on 7th September .

Argean hoplite:

Argyraspid:

Athenean hoplite:

Athenean swordsman:

Macedonian phalanx:

Spartan hoplite:

Spartan officer:

Spartan swordsman:

 

[Rob (R8XFT)]

Just a couple of notes:
1. The Spartan Officer's spear is thicker like the other ones in the previews. This preview was done before I changed it.
2. I'm aware that the Macedonian Phalanx was two-handed. I'm new to unit making and was practising with this type of model. I'll be using this as a Macedonian spearman and intend to at least try a two-handed model.

A big thanks again to Utahjazz7, who (with his tutorial and help) has made unit-making a possibility for me !

 

[Kyriakos]

a phalanx is an entire band of hoplites, not something different than a hoplite in other ways. Also the macedonian phalangites were called 'sarissophoroi', due to the longer spear, the 'sarissa'.
btw hoplite comes from the word 'hoplon', which means weapon (i am pretty sure it meant the same in ancient greek too). So it doesnt mean spear in particular, although the bulk of the army consisted of spear holders, who also had small daggers to fight with when the spears broke, or when it was more effective in close combat.

 

[Takhisis]

What is an argyraspid? All I know is that it´s supposed to be the name of the Seleucid elite in Rome:Total War.
I´ll have to wait until Anno Domini is released in September 7th. Until then, all I can do is imagine!

 

[Takhisis]

btw hoplite comes from the word 'hoplon', which means weapon (i am pretty sure it meant the same in ancient greek too).

In History Channel they said a few days ago that the hoplites were called so because of the "hoplon" or big round shield they carried. But, since History Channel isn´t very accurate, I don´t know whether it´s true or not.

 

[Kyriakos]

Hm, i am not sure if "hoplon" was the name of a special type of shield. But the basic word for shield is "Aspis". And (how convenient) argyraspid= argyro+ aspis= silver shield

which is why his hoplite has a silver shield

btw the original word is:
singular: argyraspis
plural: argyraspides

 

[Rob (R8XFT)]

Thanks varwnos, I thought I'd got the spelling of the Argyraspis wrong . Yes, it is a silver shield carrier and they were noble Greeks. The hoplon as I understood it was the shield the hoplites carried and I thought that's where the name came from.
I'll have to try the sarissophoroi - looks like it could be a cool unit, but more difficult to animate.

 

[The Last Conformist]

Victor Hanson Davis in Warfare of the Ancient Greeks claims that hoplite derives from hopla, a word for their heavy armour and shield.

 

[pinktilapia]

Is there any way to download the separate files without downloading the whole thing? With my download rate, it would mean 8-10 hours of downloading, you know.Mi Internet connection is really slow.

Also,

Could I have a look at those units you were talking about? Even if they´re not m-units, they might come in useful.

Visit R8XFT's library, and use your imagination. Most of RFRE leaderhead were made by him Thanks again R8XFT!

 

[Rob (R8XFT)]

No probs, pinktilapia !!
You could also wait for the mod to come out, as it has the leaderheads you want in it - and they've been improved .

 

[Kyriakos]

That makes sense, since hopla is the plural of hoplon. In greek there is no "h". It is oplon/opla. Perhaps it means the same as the english "arms" (of war)

 

[The Last Conformist]

That makes sense, since hopla is the plural of hoplon. In greek there is no "h". It is oplon/opla. Perhaps it means the same as the english "arms" (of war)

I'd go into the history of the spiritus asper, but I think we're drifting off topic.

 

[Mongoloid Cow]

The Argyraspides were disbanded by the Seleucid Emperors very early in their empire though, due to the fact they were exceptionally disloyal. Theyn weren't particularily skilled either. You'd be better off leaving them out of your scenario.

 

[Kyriakos]

perhaps the seleucid empire could have an elephant uu

 

[Takhisis]

perhaps the seleucid empire could have an elephant uu

Yes, that was mi idea, both Seleucids & Parthians would have regular War Elephants, which would require Elephants (replaces Ivory), and the Seleucids should have Armored War Elephants which would also need Iron. Both should also have Cataphracts later in the game.

The Argyraspides were disbanded by the Seleucid Emperors very early in their empire though, due to the fact they were exceptionally disloyal. Theyn weren't particularily skilled either. You'd be better off leaving them out of your scenario.

Yes, the best phalanxes will be Macedonian & Spartan. The Seleucids will only have normal (basic) phalanxes, but it will be outweighted by their heavy cavalry & elephants.

Which unit(s) should I mark as "Amphibious"? Let me know what you think of it.