Help against opponent trying to launch spaceship

ezdraft

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Hi Everyone,
I have a sticky situation. I am in a game where there are only 3 civs left, the carthiginians are a non-factor with only 3 small cities. The egyptions and myself (arabs) are neck and neck, since i was in a long drawn out war i fell behind in research. I am in the mid 1700's and just got space flight. The egyptians have put together 3 sections of the spaceship and i need 5 turns to get the apollo program. What can i do to get them off course? Should i try to nuke him? If so whats the fastest pace to get enough nukes to do the damage that will keep them from building the spaceship? Any help would be appreciated
 
It appears you are pretty far behind. This is what I would do. Get a RoP with them. Mass your troops 2 tiles away from their capital. When they are very close to finishing the whole Space Ship, nuke their capital and take it down. This will destroy all of their work on the ship and they will have to start over, and if the Apollo is in the capital even better. Hopefully now that their ship os gone you will be in the lead and can go for the win.
 
Hmm...well, without knowing your situation any more than what you've said, here's what you can do.

Are you familiar with the notion of prebuilding? What you will want to do is to start building nukes (or anything else that has a really high shield cost) in the cities you want to build space parts, and when you get the tech in, switch from the nuke to the ship part. The AI is notorious for being unable to finish a space race, with some smart prebuilding you can catch up in ship production since the AI will never start building a space ship part until it has the tech to build it.

What government are you in? I assume either Democracy or Republic. If you aren't and you're a religious civ, it will be trivial to switch back into it (unless you still have a lot of rails to fill in, Republic is probably better than Democracy for war weariness purposes). Secondly, how much gold can you generate? Do all of your most productive cities have markets/banks/stock exchanges in them? If not, you'll want to make the time to build them (and if you can't make the time, run low science for a bit and rush them). And for gaining ground on tech, in the Modern Age it might be cheaper for you to go with zero science and use Espionage to get your tech (always use the Safe option, you don't want to risk your spy just to save a few bucks...you do have a spy in Egypt, right?), this is especially true for the higher difficulties. Either way, you're best off either researching it or stealing it, that way Egypt won't be receiving any of your cash.

The time to panic is not when the AI has three parts done. The time to panic is when they have 7 or 8 parts done and you're just starting on your ship. That is when you want to have a force of Modern Armors and ICBMs ready to nuke and raze their capital so they have to start over again (prepare to be nuked in retaliation if you do start letting them fly). Spend some cash at your embassy to see how easily you can take out their capital and to find out where their Apollo Program is if it isn't in the capital. Check around the map and try to find their sources of Aluminum and Uranium. It sounds doubtful since it sounds like Egypt controls about half the globe, but if you can take out their uranium and aluminum sources, they won't be able to build ship parts.

So to recap:

-Prebuild

-Increase your cashflow

-Never buy your tech from them, either use your own research or steal it (especially when only one civ has the tech already, and especially in the modern age).

-Save the nuke-and-raze tactics as your last resort, often the AI will just never get around to building the last piece or two and snatch defeat from the gaping jaws of victory.
 
The other option is to build lots of artillary. Start a war with them, and use your artillary to weaken any offensive units he sends. Finish them off with armour. When he's pretty-much run out of offensive units, start taking his cities using the same tactics.

Attacking on two fronts is a good option - the AI will generally only defend / counterattack on one. :)
 
unleash hell!
nuk them with all you have and try to take the capitol.
its the only way.
 
I wish you could use espionage to destroy space ship parts...:(
 
Originally posted by Yzman
It appears you are pretty far behind. This is what I would do. Get a RoP with them. Mass your troops 2 tiles away from their capital. When they are very close to finishing the whole Space Ship, nuke their capital and take it down. This will destroy all of their work on the ship and they will have to start over, and if the Apollo is in the capital even better. Hopefully now that their ship os gone you will be in the lead and can go for the win.

Yep just what Yzman says, when you get that desparate it's time for deparate measures (RoP rape and nukes) :). Be aware that you can kiss any more GPT deals after the RoP rape though. And EVERYONE will be mad at you after the Nuclear strike.
 
I am familar with pre building, I can do that. I am a democracy and religious (arabs). I am not at war now so weariness is not a problem. I am generating 59 a turn gold, i have about 500 and 8 turns from fission. I had to go to mobilization to defeat a very good foe, the ottomons who were on the same continent as I, it appears I control about 2/3 of the globe, the egyptian capital is right accross the ocean from where i knocked out the ottomons. I have a spy in thebes but do not have enough gold to try to steal techs or investigate. i have 235 units, the best unit i have is a tank, they have mechanized infantry. SInce my army had to built up i am spending 235 gold per turn to keep it up. i have 47 cities. To give them a RoP, i would need to give them two luxuries (furs and wines) also i think that would give them the chance to go on my continent, i am constantly chasing battleships and submarines away. They have computers, ecology and satellites that i dont have. I cant take out their aluminum or uranium because they have such a large area. I wanted to finish up the cathinginians but left them with 3 cities so that i could get back to building myself up. I am adding stockexchanges banks etc to all my cities as we speak The score is egypt 972 and the arabs (me) 938. Sorry i didnt provide enough info, hopefully this helps, my plan was to build as many nukes as possible and really nuke the hell out of them when they get around 8 parts of the spaceship. I am 5 turns from the apollo program. OK, i am ready for suggestions, i am pretty new at this although i have won the spacerace twice before but this time got too caught up in the war, thanks, Raff
 
Do what I said in my previous post. It won't matter how much you nuke them, it wont destroy the spaceship parts, you must have an attack force ready to take the capital as soon as the nuke hits. This is why you need the RoP. Get that RoP at any cost.
 
increase science spending to 100% until you get fission, and start building nukes. then lower to a level where you make money and don't fall further behind. use a ROP and stack as many attacking units you can and, on the same turn, use an ICBM and attack there capital with all your units. keep defensive units in as many important cities as you can. if you can get the city that is building the apollo program then that will buy you **** loads of time. after you have done as much as you can, make peace.
note: SAVE THE GAME THE TURN BEFORE YOU START WAR. IF IT GOES WRONG, HAVE ANOTHER GO.
 
what with all this nuclear stuff, I never use nuclear stuff. Just overrun them with tanks (HAVE MECH INFANTRY DEFENDING YOUR TANKS, SAVE YOUR HURT ONES), bombers (NEED A lOT IF ENEMY HAS MECH INFANTRY), and have some jet fighters too.
 
Another thing to consider: ALs have LOW productive power regardless of your level (really unfair at high levels but beatable). HAVE a lot of weak or corrupt cities? - DRaft if you want or hurry production.
 
Change to republic and declare war. Try to wear them down, making them fall into disorder and/or change their production from the ship parts to military or happiness improvements.
 
Just a followup to this post, i just got fission (took a break from the game for a while) and noticed the egyptians do not have uranium except on a small abandoned island. So it looks like nuking will be an option.
 
They only have one Uranium? :lol:

Excellent, then this will be even easier for you. Nuclear war will not be necessary, all you need to do is conquer that one island. As long as they never get Uranium hooked up, they'll be unable to build the fuel cells (IIRC that's the one that requires Uranium). I can't remember if there's a way for you to tell which parts they have already but if they don't have it started (which they definitely haven't if they don't have any Uranium to build it with) then they'll never be able to make it into space and you can launch at your leisure.
 
Thanks for the help, i might be ready to go back to that game now, I forgot they need uranium, Raff
 
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