Help me please!

Venereus

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First of all, I was holding her off just fine until that Rifleman came along with his overpowered Longbowmen friends. Lizzie had Musketmen when the war started (not that long ago) but it makes me feel better to think it comes from a ruins bonus.

Anyway, I abandoned Babylon 2 turns ago, she took it last turn. That knight you see there heroically stayed behind to give the others more time, but the though motherlover made it anyway. My empire are those 3 blue cities up west (America). Where my borders meet Askia's, a GG, a Catapult (now Treb too), a Longswordman, a Tireme and a worker making forts have held off wave after wave of Musketmen and Lancers (they got past Babylon because I could only fight effectively those that attacked the city itself, since I had only a few outteched units there), because they can't maneuver through Askia's units very well, and some even embark and get insta-killed.

Now, I have a decision to make, and wanted to ask for advice. These are my options:

A) This is the safest and easiest alternative. I just keep retreating back home, hoping I won't run into the invasion force that beelines to my core cities, and that the token force holding the line there keeps doing as well as it has so far, until reinforcements arrive. Hopefully, with my army reunited and the home side's advantage I can defeat England's invasion.

B) This is riskier but seems more fun and epic. I set up defenses at that mountain pass where I have a worker, and if I'm lucky and the AI stupid enough, I might defeat her units one by one as long as Ephialtes doesn't show up telling her to flank me. With time, I might even retake Babylon later when reinforcements reach the front lines.

I'll probably save the game and give both a try, but I wanted to see what you guys think first, for the "official" decision at least.

Thanks.
 
She'll probably flank you if you hold the pass. Especially if she has open borders with Suleiman.
 
Do not retreat. You are probably playing this all wrong. Lure her rifleman into your trebucets and crossbows line of fire and kill it. Use your pikeman to kill her knight. You seem to be way overclassed. You need more cities and more units, unless you are trying to get a cultural victory. This is not Civ4, you cannot smash armies. The AI is really weak at "chess" Move your units around creatively and use that trebuchet. You can do this.
 
The best you can do is tech-up. The gap between Longswords vs Riflemen is too big. It's about to get worse with Cannons since you cannot play static defense and Knight's 3 mobility isn't enough to play hit n run.
 
im agree with this two man above me. If i were u, if i go to traditionalism and got 33 percent bonus on fighting in mine territory, i will lure the two longsword to my city and try my best there. And what really concern me is not how to win this little battle that will resulting on your nation existence in this game. How can u win this war againts her, not the battle. If u have city, sell your city to her neighbhour, in this case maybe Ottoman or Utsmani, make him willing to help u aiding u in this war. Since, if u keep battling with her u will not loose 1 city, but u can loose whole of the game, just sacrifies one city is alrite comparing loosing it all. In addition there will be a chance that Liz will retreating her troop, and u can heal your knight, re-assamble your troops, and attack a weak spot of her city (unguard) and send reinforcement periodicly for aid.

Result, for loosing 1 city, u can get another couple of Liz city to be your puppet and for you to raze and settle new city there, wich can be more better then your last city.

Because judging on your unit, u cant really survive, and u got 0 iron.

Btw good topic.
 
Update. So I tried holding the pass, but she declared on Suleiman and flanked from the South anyway. More riflemen came and I lost that army. So I reload and go for option A. That worked wonders. Like you said, I teched up and got my Minutemen, but by then I had already killed a lot more Lancers at my border and insta-killed a few embarked riflemen too. After refusing 3 times her proposal of peace, wich not only asked for every tradable thing I have, wanted New York. After a while she settled for a simple peace for peace. That was before my army got back, so I don't know why she gave up. Her other wars must have taken a toll, I guess. Anyway, now the Romans declared on Askia so I seized the opportunity to take two Songhai cities.

Thanks for the advice.
 
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