Highest "enjoyable" level?

Monarch...actually i usually get pwned, but Prince is just too easy for me. I'm about to win my current Monarch game though.
 
morchuflex said:
Hello.

In your opinion, which is the highest really enjoyable difficulty level?

By "really enjoyable", I mean a level giving you a good but not insurmountable challenge, while requiring very little MM, no exploits whatsoever (tech jumping, pre-chopping...), no twisted strategies (gambits, slingshots) and of course no restarting-until-I-get-stone-and-marble.

Personnally, I think that would be Prince until you grab the game mechanics, and Monarch later. Then, when I'm getting tired of winning all the time, maybe I'll try Emperor...

What do you think?

What sort of "gambits" are you talking about?

And what's a slingshot?


Oh, the answer for me is probably Monarch. I just graduated to it on my last game, but it was an easy win.
 
Noble, since I'm too scared to try anything higher.
 
i currently play prince but it seems i'm mastering it now (finally!) and could think moving up to monarch.
Tried monarch once, and got flushed by the AIs. After a few months, here i come again, watch out Alex, this time there will be garison in my cities!
 
5cats said:
Somewhere between Noble and Prince :)
I beat Noble often, but Prince always turns into a drag-out, catch-up game, which I find less than fun. I win sometimes, but mostly I just languish in 2nd or 3rd place...

Quite. Drag-out, catch up games aren't fun for me. I want to be just in the lead for the whole game, not be behind at the start (when everything matters so much!) and have to catch up.
 
Prince for me. I dont play a ton so Id be surprised if I ever need to move up beyond Monarch in the future. As long as I dont know at the outset that I am going to win, Im happy.
 
Noble and Warlord
 
Helmling said:
And what's a slingshot?
Since no one else answered your question: A slingshot is a game gambit which, if you pull it off, gives you a significant advance in one fell swoop over the other civs.

The most commonly used one is the "CS Slingshot", where CS is Civil Service. You basically time things so you finish building the Oracle on the same turn that you discover Code of Laws. You then choose the very-expensive (at the time) Civil Service as your free tech, which provides you with the lucrative Bureaucracy civic, Macemen (the best Medieval unit, IMO), and the ability to spread irrigation to tiles without a water source. Oh, and you probably also found Confucianism and can build courthouses.

That's obviously a very big leap forward that early in the game. Frankly, I've never pulled it off on a level above Noble, and those who play Monarch and higher tell me it's nearly impossible on those levels and that you shouldn't even bother trying, because the AI inevitably builds the Oracle before you have the CoL pre-req techs lined up and ready to go.
 
Mostly Noble for me... but it has rendered me an unhealthy wonder-addiction.
Soon i will have to play higher difficulties just to be able to ignore the pyramids.
 
You can get the pyramids at least as high as Immortal level, so i don't think playing on higher levels will solve anything for you.
 
I play only very large pangea maps with at least 10 civ´s and Prince level is a challenge all the time.
 
Monarch Level is the highest that I have tried, and on the terra map the other civs are rather aggressive - I had two declare war on me while I was already at war. They both were at "cautious" before attacking.

I find Noble level to be very relaxing. It allows for more variety in approach and one does not have to be paranoid and build so many military units.
 
I've tried monarch again, and again i'm getting pulped down. Too lazy expanding, i far as i understand.
Enjoyable, however : i could have done better, the AI's are playing their game and don't go for me too soon.
Just need to NOT relax.
 
Sisiutil- Thanks for explaining that so clearly. I was already farmiliar with the general concepts of slingshoting, but haven't played enough to know the details of the tech tree. Thus, it was nice that you delineated everything that comes with civil service. When people offer explanations with 5-6 abbreviations, it can be tough to understand what they are referring to. Thanks for being so clear.
As for the thread topic...so far, monarch
 
Monarch is proving to be very tough. The Incas sneak attacked me whilst I was finishing off Ms Hat and they already somehow had artillery and SAM infantry (which I did not)! Fortunately they had no horses or I would have been toast. I developed infantry the next turn and was able to stop them but is was close. Elephants can do proper clean up of severely wounded SAMs and artillery. I now have two elephants with the "use enemy roads" promotion. Too bad I won't be able to promote them to tanks.

All of the AI civs except Hatshepsut have been very aggressive or at least ugly toward me. (Terra Map)
 
My problem on monarch would be to have room to expand!
I could only build a second city, and it got captured by barbs!
ARRRGGGG!
I had a lot of jungle on the nerby land, so maybe just a bad starting location? I don't think so, because i was very much outgrown by the AIs, and i fear it will be the same when i start again.
 
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