Hinge Of Fate Game - Edelweiss

That's why I live in Florida and not some crazy cold place like Nebraska.:rolleyes:
It was in the 60's yesterday and will be in the 70's today:D...I love Sunny Florida!:love:

GPS to Glasnost and Russia a little while ago, I could not finish the turn yesterday. I had a big day and night celebrating with my Mom for her 70th Birthday! :bday:

:beer: (Not beer more like Martinis to start, then Saki at the restaurant, and then Champaign for a night cap)


Fast turn update...Tula falls to the Wehrmacht

Congrats to your mom on her 70th. My mom died in her mid 50s. A terrible loss for me so I'm always glad for others and their moms celebrating birthdays. Cherish every day!
Don't forget to send the save to all of us to avoid delays J!
 
Germany May 1942

The U-Boat War

Seven tiles Northwest of Trondheim U-102 in an attempt to slip past the British blockade and reach the open ocean of the Atlantic is spotted by the Destroyer Mildenhall. U-102 is forced to engage the Mildenhall.

4/4 U-102 vs 3/4 DD Mildenhall=2/4 U-102

Off the Iberian Peninsula 16 Tiles due South of Belfast a CW 4 Stacker Destroyer is spotted.
4/4 U-Boat vs 3/3 DD Lincon=3/4 U-Boat

That's about it for the U-Boat war since the Allies have sunk most of the U-Boat Fleet.

North

Port Leningrad:
CA Hipper->Hit(1) Transport 2/3
CL Emden->Hit(1) Transport 1/3
CL Koln->Miss
CA Scheer->Hit(1) 186/370th Div 2/3
DD Z12 Erich Giese->Miss
DD Z5 Paul Jakobi->Miss

Center

Russian City of Tula:
H.A.->Hit(1)=3/4 33rd Army (SRA)
H.A.->Hit(1)=2/3 13th Army (SRA)
H.A.->Hit(1)=2/3 33rd Southwest Reserve Army (SRA)
H.A.->Hit(1)=2/4 33rd Army (SRA)
F.A.->Hit(1)=1/3 13th Army (SRA)
F.A.->Miss
F.A.->Hit(1)=1/3 SW Reserve Army (SRA)
20/21 1st Panzer Army vs 2/4 33rd Army (SRA)=16/21 1st PA
5/6 4th Panzer Korps vs 2/2 8/160(SRC)=6/7 4th PK
6/6 1st Panzer Div vs 2/2 217/266 (SRC)=4/6 1st PD
4/4 72 Inf Div vs 2/2 28/285 (SRC)=2/2 28/285 (SRC)
7/7 7th Panzer Korps vs 2/2 28/285(SRC)=5/8 7th PK
7/7 19th Panzer Korps vs 2/2 211/218(SRC)=4/7 19th PK
4/4 7 Mtn Div vs 2/2 12/174 (SRC)=2/3 12/174 (SRC)
6/6 22nd Panzer Div vs 2/2 45/199 (SRC)=5/6 22nd PD
8/8 14th Panzer Korps vs 2/3 12/174(SRC)=8/8 14th PK
16/20 4th Army (Inf) vs 1/3 13th Army (SRA)=14/20 4th IA
17/18 6th Army (Inf) vs 1/3 SW Reserve Army (SRA)=17/18 6th IA
14/20 4th Army (Inf) vs 2/2 Field Artillery=14/20 4th IA
Tula is captured 1-Sturmovik DB is Destroyed

Just East of Tul:
5/5 20 Div (Mech) vs 2/2 Voronesh Militia=3/5 20 Div
Russian Worker Captured

Just North of Tula and South of Moscow Forest w/Rubber:
16/21 1st Panzer Army vs 2/2 402 Rifle Div (Mil)=17/22 1st PA

Just Southwest of Moscow:
21/22 3rd Panzer Group vs 2/2 62/63 Cav =21/22 3rd PA
Improvements on Tile Pillaged by Army

Just West of Moscow: 3/3 3rd Cav Div
F.A.->Miss
F.A.->Miss
F.A.->Hit(1)=2/3 3rd Cav Div
F.A.->Hit(1)=1/3 3rd Cav Div
18/18 16th Army vs 1/3 3rd Cav Div=16/18 16th IA
Improvements on Tile Pillaged by Army

Just Northwest of Moscow grassland w/wheat:
21/22 3rd Panzer Group vs 2/2 Militia =21/22 3rd PA
Improvements on Tile Pillaged by Army

Irrigated grassland w/rail 2-T's Northwest of Moscow:
21/22 3rd Panzer Group vs 3/3 10th Rifle Div (Mil)=21/23 3rd PA
Improvements on Tile Pillaged by Army

Grassland w/rail 3-T's Northwest of Moscow:
19/19 9th Army vs 2/2 NKVD (Mil) =19/19 9th IA
Improvements on Tile Pillaged by Army

V.P. Hill w/aluminum and rail between Moscow and Leningrad:
19/19 9th Army vs 2/2 Leningrad Militia =19/19 9th IA

Just South of Moscow:
Me109 shoots down Yak-3 Fighter

Just North of Moscow:
Ju-88 Shot down by Yak-3 Fighter
Me109 Shot down by Yak-3 Fighter
Ju-88->Hit Destroys Improvements

Just West of Vologda:
Ju-88->Hit Destroys Road

Just Northwest of Voronezh:
Ju-88->Hit Destroys Improvements

South

The bunker 2-T's East of Karkov:
5/5 4 Korps encounters Partisans=5/5 4 Korps


The 454 Inf Div on it's way to investigate reports of an uprising 2-T's West of Kiev runs into a large force of Partisans after intense fighting they call for reinforcements and the 216 Inf Div responds to help put down the rebellion.
When the smoke cleared 2-Partisans are destroyed.

The Med.

A German destroyer 4/4 on patrol discovers and sinks a unknown Sub 2-T's West of Athens.

Western Europe

317 Inf Div spots Resistance Fighters 2-T's Northeast of Paris:
3/3 317 Inf Div vs 4/4 Resistance Fighters=3/4 317 ID

The End
 
Congrats to your mom on her 70th. My mom died in her mid 50s. A terrible loss for me so I'm always glad for others and their moms celebrating birthdays. Cherish every day!
Don't forget to send the save to all of us to avoid delays J!

Thanks Sully and sorry for your loss so early in life.

So send the save to all of you just like you do to us.. oh wait that does not happen for us at least not for me.
 
Thanks Sully and sorry for your loss so early in life.

So send the save to all of you just like you do to us.. oh wait that does not happen for us at least not for me.

You didn't get the last save I sent AB? I'll be sure to double check that again J. I've had lots of problems integrating my Address Book with Windows 8. But for the time being I'll go back to my yahoo mail to send out the saves that way starting my next turn.
 
You didn't get the last save I sent AB? I'll be sure to double check that again J. I've had lots of problems integrating my Address Book with Windows 8. But for the time being I'll go back to my yahoo mail to send out the saves that way starting my next turn.

I have not gotten a save since turn 2 in the game and I am the back up for the Minor Allies if AB can't play the turns, since we are working so close together.

I just got your email and sent the save on to you Sully. It might look like I am online but I am not at my computer most of the time. It took all day just to post my turn report. I take care of my Mother in Law when Sandy works on the weekends ,so I can't put a lot of uninterrupted time on the computer.
 
Tula retaken! Soviet forces in good mood!

After the catastrophic desolation of improvements around Moscow, Stalin goes on another rampage and decides against his advisers to launch an all out attack to retake Tula.

May 1942 Soviet Battle Reports:


Center:

Fight over Tula
9 Med bombers reduce 10hp total from 4th and 6th army, few unlucky bounces end up destroying the factories of the city... oops.
3 Heavy artilleries join with 2hp effort
3 Dive bombers take 1hp out of inf. army and 3 from Panzer army
3 Field artilleries take out 3hp from Inf. Armies
West front leads the land offensive!
West front 12/12 - 8/18 6th Army = DBmiss, West front 8/12
Bryansk front 12/12 - 14/22 Panzer army = DBmiss, Bryansk front 5/12
Another tank army 12/12 - 7/20 4th army = DBmiss, SU army 5/12
West front 8/12 - 6/7 4th panzer korps = West front 6/12
3rd Shock Army 6/7 - 5/7 7th Panzer korps = Shock Army 1/7
T-34 Tank army 5/5 - 4/7 19th Panzer korps = T-34 3/5
Another tank army 5/12 - 4/6 Panzer Div = Tank army 5/12
Bryansk front 5/12 - 3/5 20 Div = Bryansk Front 4/12
Sov. rifle corp 2/2 - 2/2 Field art = 3/3 rifle corp
Sov. rifle corp 2/2 - 1/2 Field art = 2/3 rifle corp
Sov. rifle corp 2/2 - 1/2 Field art = 2/2 rifle corp
TULA IS LIBERATED, FORCES CELEBRATE AFTER DROUGHT IN GOOD NEWS

1-W of Tula:
T-34 Tank corp 4/4 - 8/8 14th Panzer korps = 5/8 korps
T-34 Tank corp 4/4 - 5/8 14th Panzer korps = 2/8 korps
T-34 Tank corp 4/4 - 5/6 Panzer div = 1/6 Panzer div
T-34 Tank corp 3/3 - 2/8 14th Panzer korps = 1/8 korps
T-34 Tank corp 3/3 - 1/8 14th Panzer korps = 4/4 Tank corp
T-34 Tank corp 4/4 - 1/6 Panzer div = 2/4 Tank corp
7th tank div 3/3 - 2/2 Flak = 2/3 tank div
Worker liberated! [party]

South:

Black Sea Navy destroys improvements NE of Odessa and redlines flak N of Sevastopol


That's all folks
 
Well you still have few armies being annoying in the region :I and probably many more to come.

I use the battle calculator quite intensively and didn't actually take any fights in Tula which had less than 65% success chance, most even had much higher. Radar helped quite a bid and tank armies have pretty nice attack value I guess. :)
 
I think Russia has Germany's number in this game I was able to pull off some underdog attacks against the Germans as well it seems either German units are under strength or that the Russian units are over strength or a combination of both.

Well, they did win.
 
Tula, November 1941
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Well you still have few armies being annoying in the region :I and probably many more to come.

I use the battle calculator quite intensively and didn't actually take any fights in Tula which had less than 65% success chance, most even had much higher. Radar helped quite a bid and tank armies have pretty nice attack value I guess. :)

What are you talking about with this "Battle Calculator" and how would you know what % chance you would have in each attack?

And yes I still have armies in the region but I can not replace the loss of 3-Armies, 6-Inf Corp, 4-Panzer Corp and 3-Panther Corp not to mention the divisions and the artillery. With you not taking any loss of significance... :mad:That just isn't right no matter what this "calculator "you are talking of says. My God 13 Cops lost to zero for you. :eek:I think this game is lost for Germany there is no way to come back from something like this. Makes me feel like I am playing against Rick or something LOL... :lol:Between you and Sully seems impossible to do anything.:crazyeye:


I did make a big mistake by not taking out the the one road that let you get to Tula so easy. I was also going to put another Inf Corp Army in Tula as well and got greedy and changed my mind at the last minute and sent it somewhere else. So all in all it is my fault but the manner in which it was so heavily weighted against me with the luck did suck and like I said some of the worst or if not the worst luck I have ever seen in this game. Early in the game I made attacks against Russian units with overwhelming odds for success only to be beaten back you would think I would have had at least one or two good rolls against your attacks but does not look like I got even one.


Oh well I will fight on but I must admit I don't think I will enjoy this game anymore after that debacle...My fault on that and I will not be a baby about it anymore and will not bring it up again.


Once again "Congrats on the stunning victory by the Red Army"
:goodjob:
 
While this is the definitely not very wise to link this considering the situation in the game and my allies will probably hate me for it, here it is in all of its glory:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=75765

Is basically does the math for you considering the likelihood of different outcomes of the battle. Lots of help for noobs like me, but more experienced players probably have very good awareness of the likelihood of success already.

Playing with it is very time-consuming though! But I like it very much. :)
 
Tula, November 1941
72_big.jpg

Nice picture I. Larking thanks for adding to the thread :)

Feels like everyone is going to pile on me for that big mistake I just hope my fellow Axis teammates will still talk to me after that crushing defeat:sad:

And yes Anthony they did win and looks like they will win this one as well.
 
First of all, sorry for the long rant, but I felt I needed to get this out of my mind. :blush:


It might have been mistake on your part but I feel that as a Germany player you will have to take some heavy risks to get anything done and the distance between our lines is so big that it is very hard to succeed in producing surprise attacks, making Russia able to use its forces more efficiently. So I wouldn't fault you for making the move, it was necessary risk in my opinion even though maybe some minor things could have been done better as you said. You have been very good at stretching my few troops around the border though! :goodjob:

But since throwing out words like "robbed", "very lucky", "this isn't right" and "Rick" makes me very unhappy :( I decided to do the math for the results for you to see if I was "very lucky"

First of all I am assuming that all your troops are fortified and if some weren't, I should have had even better results. If you want to redo the math, West front has 22 attack value because I joined the special 24 attack tank army to it (don't remember the name).

Here goes:

Defensive bonus is 35% due to Grassland+Fortify, attacker bonus is 25% due to Radar Tower. (Tula is 1 population and there are no walls)
Defensive bombardment missed. I don't know the math for the defensive bombardment, but since they were only field artilleries that doesn't seem too surprising.

TULA:
West front 12/12 - 8/18 6th Army = DBmiss, West front 8/12
Winchance: 95,9%, most likely scenario is 4hp lost

Bryansk front 12/12 - 14/22 Panzer army = DBmiss, Bryansk front 5/12
Winchance: 87,3%, most likely hp loss is 6+ but it doesn't specify the amounts after 6

Another tank army 12/12 - 7/20 4th army = DBmiss, SU army 5/12
Winchance: 96,2%, most likely outcome: 4hp loss

West front 8/12 - 6/7 4th panzer korps = West front 6/12
Winchance: 96,8%, most likely outcome: 2hp loss

3rd Shock Army 6/7 - 5/7 7th Panzer korps = Shock Army 1/7
Winchance: 90,4%, most likely outcome: 2hp loss (here I was quite unlucky)

T-34 Tank army 5/5 - 4/7 19th Panzer korps = T-34 3/5
Winchance: 89,3%, most likely outcome: 1hp loss

Another tank army 5/12 - 4/6 Panzer Div = Tank army 5/12
Winchance: 98,6%, most likely outcome: 0hp loss

Bryansk front 5/12 - 3/5 20 Div = Bryansk Front 4/12
Winchance: 99,4%, most likely outcome: 0hp loss

Sov. rifle corp 2/2 - 2/2 Field art = 3/3 rifle corp
Winchance: 82,7%, most likely outcome: 0hp loss

Sov. rifle corp 2/2 - 1/2 Field art = 2/3 rifle corp
Winchance: 93,0%, most likely outcome: 0hp loss

Sov. rifle corp 2/2 - 1/2 Field art = 2/2 rifle corp
Winchance: 93,0%, most likely outcome: 0hp loss



WEST OF TULA: Out of Radar range the attack bonus drops to 0%, defense is still 35%
T-34 Tank corp 4/4 - 8/8 14th Panzer korps = 5/8 korps
Winchance: 4,3%, most likely outcome: 2hp loss for the defender

T-34 Tank corp 4/4 - 5/8 14th Panzer korps = 2/8 korps
Winchance: 21,6%, most likely outcome: 2hp loss for the defender

T-34 Tank corp 4/4 - 5/6 Panzer div = 1/6 Panzer div
Winchance: 58,7%, most likely outcome: 2hp loss for attacker

T-34 Tank corp 3/3 - 2/8 14th Panzer korps = 1/8 korps
Winchance: 56,8%, most likely outcome: 1hp loss for the attacker

T-34 Tank corp 3/3 - 1/8 14th Panzer korps = 4/4 Tank corp
Winchance: 81%, most likely outcome: 0hp loss

T-34 Tank corp 4/4 - 1/6 Panzer div = 2/4 Tank corp
Winchance: 97,4%, most likely outcome: 0hp loss

7th tank div 3/3 - 2/2 Flak = 2/3 tank div
Winchance: 90,8%, most likely outcome: 0hp loss


I think these show that overall the results were very excepted. Even very slightly towards unlucky for me because of couple of bad rolls.

I have enjoyed the game and all the intense thinking it requires, you have thrown very nice curve-balls towards me and I have tried to do my best with my limited knowledge of the game and the scenario I have, using the great tips from my Allies to my benefit. This has been very fun and the atmosphere has been great :) at least to this point..

But I very much dislike the unjustified accusations of being "very lucky" or even straight up bringing known cheater to the table. :(
 
While this is the definitely not very wise to link this considering the situation in the game and my allies will probably hate me for it, here it is in all of its glory:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=75765

Is basically does the math for you considering the likelihood of different outcomes of the battle. Lots of help for noobs like me, but more experienced players probably have very good awareness of the likelihood of success already.

Playing with it is very time-consuming though! But I like it very much. :)

You don't have to worry about your allies hating you I will not be downloading this anyways, but thanks for the info!
 
First of all, sorry for the long rant, but I felt I needed to get this out of my mind. :blush:

But since throwing out words like "robbed", "very lucky", "this isn't right" and "Rick" makes me very unhappy :( I decided to do the math for the results for you to see if I was "very lucky"


I have enjoyed the game and all the intense thinking it requires, you have thrown very nice curve-balls towards me and I have tried to do my best with my limited knowledge of the game and the scenario I have, using the great tips from my Allies to my benefit. This has been very fun and the atmosphere has been great :) at least to this point..

:(


First off Glas I did not mean to offend you or imply that you are doing anything but what you should be doing.

I used words like "robbed" as a way of expressing how I was feeling but not that you robbed me, far from it. And the other comments I deleted from my post by edit, you are right there is no place for them in this game or any other I am sorry for even joking about that and am sorry for mentioning them. I don't think you got lucky as much as I got unlucky, I.E. even with the odds in your favor it seems like I could have gotten lucky on one or two but it went as you said by the odds and no luck for me that's all.

I apologize for changing the atmosphere with my complaining about the game and hope you can understand and forgive me, like I said before I will not bring it up anymore I just think I needed to vent a little.

In the future I will try to keep my baby tantrums down to a minimum or none at all, and I do mean it when I say Congrats on a good job you have done with the Red Army.
 
China

-6 B25s Damage Jap units 2 Ts NW of Sian
-B25 Destroys Road 2 Ts E of Hankow
-2 B25s Damage Units 3 Ts NE of Sian

N.Africa
-B25 Shot Down over Benghazi

GPS to CW
 
Geez I'm away for a day and there is a lot going on all of a sudden? Anyhow...the Minor Allies turn is played. I'm bushed after a long day of driving. Will play and forward the CW save tomorrow.

Just some general comments...

1) The Axis Players have executed one of the most brilliant and coordinated strategies seen in HOF. This is what I see as their results to date.

2) Glast in his first game of HoF playing Russia is really slugging it out and playing it very well. I've enjoyed our discussions and how E has brought his experience to meld our play together.

3) I'm dealing with some unique issues internet and situation wise while the game plays on. I appreciate all's understanding. I can't think of a better bunch of guys to be involved with playing out this game.

4) I'll play the CW turn tomorrow and forward onto AB.
 
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