Hitler??

[Philips beard]

I not even sure he would surrender in civ. I got Rcme to 2-3 cities left and they offered me 5gpt for peace! Max.

I assure you! Hitler would always fight to the last man standing!

 

[dojoboy]

But I doubt he'll be in it. He would be rather controversial, and would probably tick off a lot of Germans. (He would at least have to be removed for the European version)

If Hitler is not in, it will be because Firaxis chooses NOT to go down that road with their franchise. Hitler is present in many games sold, and made, in Europe - such as HOI. However, the Nazi flag is banned in Germany. The Nazi flag is not present in HOI. Of course, fans have made one available for those who want more "realism."

 

[dc82]

i preferably wudn't want hitler in the game either - but either way, i think there's enuf contraversy to keep him from ever being a leader - i think it's the fact that since u assume the role of the leader... (in many wwii games, even if play germany, u dun play hitler, u'll play a military general or something)

but i agree, at the same time, i dun think stalin, mao, and certain other leaders shud be in. i mean, i think it's a matter of preference, but at this point i think it'd also just be nicer to have new leaders to choose from as opposed to the same (no more lincoln, gandhi, etc.)

 

[Tank_Guy#3]

Way to much controversy, won't happen.

 

[Xen]

Hitler was not alone to persecute jews- Roman emperors

The Romans quashed reballions in Judea when they arose; otherwise however, its clear that Jews were protected from persecution under Roman law, and history fleshes thsi out; thier has been a longer continuous presence fo Judaism in Rome then thier has been in Jerusalem, simpley because while the Jews were forced out fo Jerusalem several times, thier was no need to affect anyone of that religion who was not in judea, and not rebelling.

 

[Paul#42]

I got mixed feelings about Hitler presenting Germany - Most civvers (98% including myself) would have no problems with that I guess, but of the other 2% some would have hurt feelings and the others unjustified nazi-pride.

I don't think it is possible to have leaders for every nation in each era - or whom would you tell the leader of the Babylonians in nowadays?!?

So let Hitler out, who wants him in, can easily mod the game. (as if this statement would change anything )

 

[warpstorm]

I don't think there is much chance of this if they want to be allowed to sell it in Germany.

 

[player1 fanatic]

Personally if this is a big issue, the best way would be not include him in the game, but put download for non-german version of game that adds an extra Civ4 leader to be used.

 

[Abaddon]

Who cares? we can modify him in later

 

[Lord_all_Mighty]

Out of curiosity, was there any controversy for choosing Stalin/Mao as the leader of the Russians/Chinese in either Civ I or Civ II?

 

[fish_229]

Not buy the game because of Hitler? Do you think Napoleon, Caesar or Djengis Khan or Mao was any nicer people?
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Yes, I think that in Civ 3 Mao probably was the most controversal leader in the game, but no one really cared because Chinese history during and after WW2 is really not that well followed in the West. More Chinese died in WW2 than any other nation, including Russia. People forget that.

That doesn't include the millions that died after during Chairman Mao's 'Great Leap Forward' and other failed revolutionary reforms. Mao's policies killed millions of Chinese citizens, yet we don't think of him as a widespread human rights abuser.

If they're going to include Mao in Civ 4, they absolutely should include Stalin and Hitler. I'm not saying that Mao was as bad as Hitler, but let's include all the leaders, if not to just acknowledge that they did have a major impact on history.

 

[dc82]

stalin was taken out in civ2, but mao stayed, there's even a mao leader unit in civ3 - personally i'd prefer if mao was taken out - there r plenty of other famous chinese leaders throughout history.

 

[player1 fanatic]

Out of curiosity, was there any controversy for choosing Stalin/Mao as the leader of the Russians/Chinese in either Civ I or Civ II?

No.
In time of Civ1, communist USSR still existed, while China doesn't sea Mao in bad way even today.

Also, in time of Civ1, there was no such thing as eastern market for computer games. All games there were pirated.

Things changed for Civ2, since Russia became democratic, and civ started selling there. So they added less controversive Lenin as male leader, while using Catharene as default Russian leader. Mao stayed of course.


Personaly, I have nothing against having those leaders as an option, but in that case I would really like have option not to choose them too.

As far as I see, having 19 civs and 28 leaders, is Firaxis way of having several civs with more then one leader. Nobody cares if Aztec or Babylon had just one leader, but I guess Germans would be mad to have Hitler as their onlty option when playing "home-civ".

 

[mastertyguy]

I assure you! Hitler would always fight to the last man standing!

In civ, even Gandhi fights to the last man!!

 

[dojoboy]

No.
In time of Civ1, communist USSR still existed, while China doesn't sea Mao in bad way even today.

Uh, I don't think so. Communist Russia ceased to exist at the end of 1991. I believe Civ1 was released in 1996. Of course, I've been wrong before.

Edit -> I am wrong, Civ1 was released as DOS in 1991.

 

[player1 fanatic]

Edit -> I am wrong, Civ1 was released as DOS in 1991.

And probably developed during 1990...

 

[DoTheMath]

But I doubt he'll be in it. He would be rather controversial.

My sentiments exactly. I hope he's there, although both my parents were raised Jewish in Nazi Germany (being Jewish was a death sentence only after the invasion of Poland.) My concern is he'll be left out for fear of angering Jews. The Jews I know consider intellegence (and truth) to be very important values.

He's much too important to history to leave out, and would make the game more interesting. In 2 weeks, it will be 60 years since the fall of the Third Reich, few civers were alive then.

 

[Aks K]

I think there would be a outcry in germany and some other contries specially in europe. Sure mod him in scenarioes, but keep him out of the main game! His name is clouded with inhumanity beyond comparison in the western part of world - and it is only 60 years since it all ended. I know that other atrocities have been committed by other leaders, which also have been in civ. Some of them probably should not be in civ.

It should be something of an honor to be in the main game. Some leaders does not deserve that honor, but this does not mean, that we should not forget them. If they lived long time ago and there is no alternatives it is easier to keep them in the game.

Aks K

 

[DixiePride]

Even if they dont have Hitler in the first release, in one of the add ons they should put him in for sure. Or couldnt they have a disclaimer or some legal thing that lets you install either the hitler version or the kaiser wilhelm version? Bc its sorta not fair for the rest of the world to pretend it didnt happen... sorta like that family guy episode 'Didnt you invade Poland?' 'No, ve ver invited. Punch was served'

 

[Mordack]

If leaders should be excluded based on their human rights record then we will be playing every game as Gandhi.

I'm sure Cleopatra and Caesar ordered the execution of a few souls in their day, they just didn't keep records back then.

Besides, I find waging war against a furious Hitler strangely appealing.