Hitler??

[covenant]

This is why I am against 3d leader heads. I want to have between 4 and 10 leader headers per country. Its pathetic and insulting that Mao is the only leader head of China. They have a hugely varied history and to pigeon hole 5000 years of history on a fanatic is irresponsible of Fraxis in my opinion. Hitler should be in, he is probably one of the most important figures in the 20th century for better or worse (and if we never want to see another one, we need to be consious of what can happen and look at that period as an example) but he only represents one time period of a varied and rich culture. If I was German I would be insulted, not because he is in the game, but because he is the only choice to represent me. It would be like McCarthy or Hoover representing all of American history, though if I could select one of them for a game to play with that mentality, that would be intriguing.

If they were 2d, the art requirements would drop substantially and we could have tons of different leader headers representing lots of different periods of history for each different civ.

They could then create the different personalities, say 10 and attach the best personality to the leader head not to mention the leader head could change throughout the game, representing different periods in your civs history. But you do not choose the second leader head. If you were a warmonger, your leader head would change later on to reflect that. Maybe you would get a message that there was a coup and a great general has taken control. Or you choose a warmonger but dont fight any wars for whatever reason and the people come to you to say they have revolted against that tyrannt and have selected a more peaceful leader.

 

[rhialto]

I personally wouldnt mind seeing him in the game, but he is such a controversial figure that I am sure he wont be included for fear of offending the moral majority. i can see teh protets now...

"This game encourages you to take on the persona of THE MOST EVIL MAN IN HISTORY! BAN IT NOW!"

 

[player1 fanatic]

And there are already so many TBS games in which can play Nazi germany...

 

[antonio]

"This game encourages you to take on the persona of THE MOST EVIL MAN IN HISTORY! BAN IT NOW!"

I think Stalin was probaly was more evil.Having Hittler as leader for me would be fine as long as there is another choice besides him and the computer couldnt randomly pik him you had to put him in yourself.Also why dont we just have a flag for each antion it would mean we would be able to have lots of leaders for each nation without much effort hopefily each with thereown personalaty.

 

[rhialto]

The crucial difference between Hitler and Stalin is that Hitler was the declared enemy (and now, vice versa) of the Jewish people, while Stalin is no longer reviled by a single group that today has a lot of influence in the primary market country of the game. The people that would have the game banned for including Stalin are few and far between and politically inactive, while the group that might consider banning it on account of including Hitler are many and politically organised.

 

[GoodGame]

No if they are putting jeudaism in the game i doubt they will put hitler in it.

Also, last I heard....in Germany it's illegal to distribute items referring to him or Nazi-ism. So CIV4 would be illegal in Germany then.

 

[greekguy]

Also, last I heard....in Germany it's illegal to distribute items referring to him or Nazi-ism. So CIV4 would be illegal in Germany then.

they could just take him out for the German version... and probably all of the Europe versions, too.

 

[oldStatesman]

they could just take him out for the German version... and probably all of the Europe versions, too.

Then I guess I would be buying a european version ... if at all; no way will I buy any version that has that psychpathic racist madman in it in any way shape or form. I will not give even the smallest sense of legitimacy to him or his 'followers' here in the US in any way shape or form in a game.

The problem is most normal rational people see it as merely a game ...harmless ... but his sick rabid followers that are still extremely active and dangerous even today would percieve it as a statement of legitimacy given to his racist legacy and views and encourage them to persist in their evil viewpoint.

JMO.

 

[microbe]

What makes Hitler special anyway? In CIV it's no different from Lincoln.

 

[player1 fanatic]

Also, last I heard....in Germany it's illegal to distribute items referring to him or Nazi-ism. So CIV4 would be illegal in Germany then.

SO all those WW2 games are banned, eh?

 

[Doc Tsiolkovski]

Glorification if National Socialism is banned.
And symbols (the swastika, mainly) are supposed to not get sold to minors (like on Aircraft modells).

Of course, once a report shows CIV Hitler hunting down Jewish cities...the ban is sure.

 

[player1 fanatic]

I doubt thjere would be jewish cities in Civ4.

 

[Commander Bello]

I doubt thjere would be jewish cities in Civ4.

Then just have a look at the new screenies

 

[stormbind]

Hitler should not be in it because the game is about humans and empire building. Hitler's idea of empire building is self-destructive.

There is also strong evidence to suggest he was not human.

 

[Commander Bello]

I agree. Hitler is an absolute no-go. Period.

Stalin and Mao shouldn't be in, either. We could have Kim Il Sung as well, then. Or this guy of the Red Khmer (forgot about his name).
Crazy minded mass murderers shouldn't be placed in this game.

 

[player1 fanatic]

Then just have a look at the new screenies

Where?
.............

 

[Commander Bello]

Where?
.............

There!

 

[hagenx81]

What makes Hitler special anyway? In CIV it's no different from Lincoln.

I think Hitler is special. Not that I agree to what he has done to the world, but he indeed shaped the world as what it is today.

So as all the other leaders of the world, Genghis Kahn, Mao Zetong, Stalin, General Yamamoto of the Japanese Imperial Army, and the list goes on.

Qin shihuang di of Qin Dynasty of ancient china is one of the cruelest man alive at that time (similar to Hitler), yet he is not hated but respected because he helped in uniting China to what is it today.

What the developer should be driving at is to educate the gamers correctly (probably a brief accurate history of each individual leaders' action during that period of time).

We are way over those silly WWII propoganda. We are in a different time of era and we should always strive to learn from our mistakes. So bottomline, I don't see the reason why Hitler can't be in the game.

 

[player1 fanatic]

As long as he is not sole leader for germans, it shouldn't be too big deal.

On the other hand, it IS insulting to have Hitler as sole leader for german civs.

 

[Parabellum]

Not to mention Spanish leaders, which are included in Civ3 and Civ2.

¿Wich spanish leaders do you mean? Isabel I? She just turned out the jewish from spain, killed some of them of course, but not 6 million people!!!
¿what kind of history have you learned?
Tell me any country and I´ll find you a mass killing somewhere in the past.
The problem here is that the game is going to be bulid by an AMERICAN, just that. If not, they will have another "sensibilities"...

They will not have any trouble to put Hitler into the game because it does not bother them. It´s a "chance" to crush a "fiend" they have sold us (the history is alwais written by the victor) it´s a topic to exploit for them, to sell more games.
¿Why not Hitler, S. Hussein or Castro... or even, LePen, Mohamed VI, Putin, Aznar, Charles of England, etc..? I´m OK. Being from the past, the present or the future, Just let "us" crush all of them... It´s a game.