HOF Update: New Website

[superslug]

@Smirk: Part of the problem is that tiny conquests is so easy and quick to do that it's been done so very much over the years. As the Hall/III have aged, there inevitably has wound up some tables that become very static. On the other hand, the surge in activity over the last six months has led to some very exciting areas, especially 20k, and now Diplo, where records are continually being shattered.

@Sandman2003: If you don't have the 4000bc, let me know what the earliest date you have is. I obvioulsy prefer the 4000bc, but another very early file might do as well if three or four savs are submitted.

 

[Sandman2003]

@Sandman2003: If you don't have the 4000bc, let me know what the earliest date you have is. I obvioulsy prefer the 4000bc, but another very early file might do as well if three or four savs are submitted.

Unfortunately, I just checked my earliest save, and it is non-compliant. I will have to do this the hard way. That game certainly wasn't set up for a HoF game anyway (no food boni at the start).

 

[superslug]

Unfortunately, I just checked my earliest save, and it is non-compliant.

I'm happy to hear that page is coming in useful. It'll definitely help the milkers, as they can avoid wasting 200 hours on a game only to find out after that something was checked off by accident.

 

[EMan]

Let me put it this way: who was the first person in space? A lot of people can answer Yuri Gagarin off the top of their head. Now, who was the fifth person in space? The seventh? You'd have to look it up.

Okay, here's a Trivia Question for you:
Who won this year's Super Bowl and last year's Tour de France?
Quick.....who won the first one?

 

[superslug]

Okay, here's a Trivia Question for you:
Who won this year's Super Bowl and last year's Tour de France?
Quick.....who won the first one?

The Super Bowl was won this year by the Patriots, and the Tour de Lance by Lance Armstrong, who at last rumor was dating my favorite female singer.

The "first" NFL champion was elected the Akron Pros for their undefeated schedule, although NFL teams did play non-league opponents in 1920. The first Super Bowl Champion was Green Bay.

The first winner of the Tour de France was Maurice Garin.

Now, here's a question for you-will you concede your own questions aren't applicable to the HOF? Or are you suggesting that the Tiny/Conquests table be given an annual champion and only be open to competition once a year?

(I'm not trying to sound hostile, but you're comparing apples to oranges. )

EDIT1: Judging by both our post times, do either of us ever sleep? Damn you, Sid. JOMT. JOMT. JOMT. JOMT.
EDIT2: How are you still under 1000 posts????????????????

 

[zerksees]

All conditions except score are sorted by win-date, not score

Thanks.

Apparently this is acceptable to everyone?

 

[LulThyme]

To Zerksees, of course.
If it was sorted by score, every game would be a milk, and all the games would finish in 2050, at which date any win condition can usually be achieved easily.

I dont think you will find ANYBODY to dispute this way to do things.

 

[EMan]

Now, here's a question for you-will you concede your own questions aren't applicable to the HOF?

...I will concede my questions are as relevant to the HOF as Yuri Gargarin, Neil Armstrong, Lance Armstrong & his girlfriend!

But, since you're obviously TV Gameshow material, here's your final irrelevant "First" question:

What was the first word spoken from the Moon? (Hint: The word is to be found on this page!)

Judging by both our post times, do either of us ever sleep??

Well, I'm 5 hours ahead of you at the moment but in 24 hours we'll be on the same time zone!

 

[Denniz]

At the risk of unbalancing the 10 scores per list, I think showing all ties would be the best solution, or maybe just allow a top 20 or 100 to be selected. So one could see all the ties, some there is no way to see currently.

Why not just put a link to a list of all the ties instead of showing one of the players' names. (ie. 12 Players tied)

 

[Moonsinger]

FYI: I also just updated MapFinder as of today March 11, 2005. Since this thread is about website update, I figure I'm not off topic.

 

[EMan]

And Moonsinger, MapFinder was Wonderful before.........Now, it's Orgasmic!.........an HOFer's Dream come true!

 

[denyd]

I'll second that statement E-Man - to Moonsinger for a wonderful tool

Now to finish up COTM 10 and get some maps going for a new HOF try

This time Sumerians, large map, going for 100K, but surprise this time I'm moving up to Warlord

 

[sanabas]

Whee, computer probs now fixed. What a waste of a weekend. About to submit my 'triple-whammy' game, a small-regent-domination. Then just need to finish cranking through my half-arsed-histographic (tm) (I suspect there'll be a lot of these) and I'm there. Working on a sid game as the Dutch that is looking good, but Sid games don't get hurried through like low level histographic ones do. Finish that and I'll have everything, and start work on being a halfmaster and making sure all my quartermaster games are #1's. (2 x 1/4 = 1/2 ) Heh, if we submit 4 games on each difficulty/size/victory condition, can we be a master?

 

[Sandman2003]

Heh, if we submit 4 games on each difficulty/size/victory condition, can we be a master?

After that quote, you deserve to be first there!

 

[DaveShack]

What was the first word spoken from the Moon? (Hint: The word is to be found on this page!)

Hmm, that was a while ago, (though I remember it like it was yesterday, and not just because of the movies) but I believe it was Houston.

"Houston, Tranquility base... The Eagle has landed."

 

[Tone]

And Moonsinger, MapFinder was Wonderful before.........Now, it's Orgasmic!.........an HOFer's Dream come true!

Can I echo this statement. I had a few problems with the old version that I couldn't iron out but this is so easy to use and so powerful.

I left it running overnight and the next morning there was a whole batch of suitable maps to investigate. I tried it again last night but I had a small power cut in the early hours Perhaps moonsinger and dianthus could work on fixing the company that provide me with electricity (when they get a spare moment)

 

[zerksees]

To Zerksees, of course.
If it was sorted by score, every game would be a milk, and all the games would finish in 2050, at which date any win condition can usually be achieved easily.

I dont think you will find ANYBODY to dispute this way to do things.

I am not asking for a change in which entries are valid, only the order they appear on the list. Though my request does not seem to be getting any support.

And - I think it has been well proven that the conquest route can beat milking for high scores on tiny maps and most if not all small maps.

 

[MOTH]

I am not asking for a change in which entries are valid, only the order they appear on the list. Though my request does not seem to be getting any support.

And - I think it has been well proven that the conquest route can beat milking for high scores on tiny maps and most if not all small maps.

Maybe no one understands what you are asking for. The way I interpret your request is that you want to award places in the fastest finish tables based on the score instead of by fastest date.

This doesn't make sense to me as fastest finish for most victory conditions means that you must make sacrifices in score.

I looked at you original question regarding the 20K any map size table. You had questioned why the order isn't by score. The answer was that the 20K table is for fastest finish. I could always get a higher score 20K win by milking out to 2050 than concentrating early development on building a city up for high production and wasting a lot of early shields building wonders. That isn't the point of a fastest finish win though.

 

[Smirk]

I am not asking for a change in which entries are valid, only the order they appear on the list. Though my request does not seem to be getting any support.

Why would it (get any support)? You seem to be asking for what those tables were originally created to prevent, only one type of game The Milk.

Playing a milked game and playing a fastest finish game requires two different early strategies, and the challenge in a milk game has long since past by the time 2050 is reached, hence the uselessness of winning a milk run by any method.
And because of that its a pointless endevour to beat a fastest win game by score. The gist is that these two different methods of approaching the game are diametrically opposed in goal and in scoring, thus they should be treated that way. The only anamoly is the date bonus can be subverted in some cases so a fastest win and a milked game can be directly in competition. This is rare and really milk wins out, eventually. (Due to the large time sink a milk represents some difficulties aren't adequately filled with milked games thus fast conquests can still be seen in the top score list.)

 

[LulThyme]

I am not asking for a change in which entries are valid, only the order they appear on the list. Though my request does not seem to be getting any support.

And - I think it has been well proven that the conquest route can beat milking for high scores on tiny maps and most if not all small maps.

2 people already (well) explained why there is and should not be any suuport for you original idea, so I will not add to that.

You are right that the best score possible on tiny, small, and MAYBE standard is by doing a fast conquest. So in this case, milking doesnt win (contrary to what I understand Smirk is saying).

But note that this doesn't really have anything to do with you original point, since in these cases, ordering by score or by date is the same.