HOF V2 PBEM - Juno
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eric_A
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GPS to Sully
North Pacific:
Axis Transport W of Attu sunk by Avenger
3 B-17s bomb Attu, redlining 2 ground units.
Attu: US marine div (5/5) kills marine corp.
South Pacific:
5 tiles S of Tarawa
BC Alaska (1/3) sinks BC Kirishima
CL Helena sunk by DD Akigumo (2/5)
Atlantic:
Avenger bomber damages infantry div in Casablanca
China:
N of Chihkiang:
Arty damages 11th army 18/19
B-25 damages N. China army 17/18
lost 1 B-25 to zero
North Pacific:
Axis Transport W of Attu sunk by Avenger
3 B-17s bomb Attu, redlining 2 ground units.
Attu: US marine div (5/5) kills marine corp.
South Pacific:
5 tiles S of Tarawa
BC Alaska (1/3) sinks BC Kirishima
CL Helena sunk by DD Akigumo (2/5)
Atlantic:
Avenger bomber damages infantry div in Casablanca
China:
N of Chihkiang:
Arty damages 11th army 18/19
B-25 damages N. China army 17/18
lost 1 B-25 to zero
TechGuy
Prince
Germany,
By the way, I spotted a construction crew in the Middle East in one of your stacks. Obviously, the German cultural boundaries do not extend deep into the Middle East desert. I hope you don't use it to build roads to assault my position.
By the way, I spotted a construction crew in the Middle East in one of your stacks. Obviously, the German cultural boundaries do not extend deep into the Middle East desert. I hope you don't use it to build roads to assault my position.
Hasdrubal Barca
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Upsy hehehe you got me.....i]ll retreat it....
aksully
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Hey Everyone..Just checking in. Power restored late this afternoon after Abilene got hit very hard by severe storms and tornados yesterday aft, evening, and early morning. Had to gather up our backyard chairs! 2 went over our 9 foot fence! Luckily for us we escaped ok...but several towns just to our NE did not fare well. Google Breckenridge, tx to see the damage. This is Spring in West Texas. Anyhow..just an update. Have the save and will play it tomorrow.
Sully
Sully
aksully
Deity
Ok..Looks like we're back up and running finally. Service restored. Had to replaced shingles, a screen door, and clean up debris! Not complaining...it could have been worst to be sure. So now I'll get to the real important stuff...snatching victory from the Allies!!
Sully
Sully
aksully
Deity
Well Explanation necessary for the delay. Following the storms that hit Abilene on Thursday through Friday morning. Power outages were present Friday. Then there was the loss of internet access during the weekend. Apparently the storms and tornados destroyed some infrastructure. Access was intermittent. Then my Yahoo Mail service provided by the ISP went down until today. I hope this is the end of it. Anyhow finally got the Save moved along. I appreciate your patience and especially that of my fellow Allies. Just a side note..I was a little more Anxious because though I had finished my taxes a few days ago...It wasn't until this am that I got them sent out! US TAX Day Tomorrow! So overall..things got done. I'm still working through over 300 emails!!! Solution.....Select All...DELETE!! Again..thanks for your patience!
Here are the results;
Bering Sea
-IJA Betty Sqdn 3/3 Redlines DD Lawrence 8 Tiles N of Attu AF
-I-Boat 4/4 SINKS DD Lawrence 8 Tiles N of Attu AF
-IJN Val Sqdn 4/4 Redlines DD Charlotte 6 Tiles N of Attu AF
-IJN Kate Sqdn 4/4 SINKS DD Charlotte
-IJA Betty Sqdn 3/3 Redlines DD Golf 6 Tiles W of Attu AF
-IJN DD Arare 3/4 SINKS DD Golf
SW Pacific
-BC Alaska SUNK by BB Yamashiro 2/4
CHINA
-Chindits Div 3 Tiles E of Changsha Redlined by CA and DD
-Chindits Div KIA by IJN Marine Div 3/4
-CID 1 Tile N of Chihkiang Redlined by 4 FArty
-CID then KIA by Tank Corps
-CID 2 Tiles N of Chihkiang redlined by 2 Betty SQdns
-CID KIA by N.China Army
-CID 2 Tiles NW of Chihkiang Redlined by 2 Betty Sqdns
-CID KIA by IJA N.China Army 14/18
BURMA
-CW Tank Corps 3 Tiles W of Mandalay Bombed by Betty Bombers to 2/8
-CW Tank Army Bombarded reduced by 2 HPs by IJN DDs
NOTE: For the Record...an Amphib Landing in Burma was impossible in WWII. The only Line of Communication from India to Burma was the Burma Road or Crossing the HUMP by Aircraft. The only other attack point was at Rangoon. THe reason for this was the immense jungle and numerous Rivers that shielded interior Burma from the coast. This is a MAP issue that should be addressed in the next revision. No doubt that TG will Capture Mandalay and roll south towards Rangoon. Nice Tactic and strategy! Just not plausible in WWII.
AUSTRALIA
- IJN Marine Div destroys Road 3 Tiles SW of Darwin
Now I was looking through the Civilopedia which I should have done more in the beginning. When I look under the Terrain section and check Rivers. It says there is 0 MPs. Do I understand this to mean that there is no additional movement cost to cross a River??? It should cost a unit its entire movement points to cross. Which means a unit must have its entire Movement Points available to cross a River and then end its movement in the tile it moved to. NO Matter whether it is a Reg, Div, Corps, or Army. Just asking for clarification.
GPS to That Guy
Sully
Here are the results;
Bering Sea
-IJA Betty Sqdn 3/3 Redlines DD Lawrence 8 Tiles N of Attu AF
-I-Boat 4/4 SINKS DD Lawrence 8 Tiles N of Attu AF
-IJN Val Sqdn 4/4 Redlines DD Charlotte 6 Tiles N of Attu AF
-IJN Kate Sqdn 4/4 SINKS DD Charlotte
-IJA Betty Sqdn 3/3 Redlines DD Golf 6 Tiles W of Attu AF
-IJN DD Arare 3/4 SINKS DD Golf
SW Pacific
-BC Alaska SUNK by BB Yamashiro 2/4
CHINA
-Chindits Div 3 Tiles E of Changsha Redlined by CA and DD
-Chindits Div KIA by IJN Marine Div 3/4
-CID 1 Tile N of Chihkiang Redlined by 4 FArty
-CID then KIA by Tank Corps
-CID 2 Tiles N of Chihkiang redlined by 2 Betty SQdns
-CID KIA by N.China Army
-CID 2 Tiles NW of Chihkiang Redlined by 2 Betty Sqdns
-CID KIA by IJA N.China Army 14/18
BURMA
-CW Tank Corps 3 Tiles W of Mandalay Bombed by Betty Bombers to 2/8
-CW Tank Army Bombarded reduced by 2 HPs by IJN DDs
NOTE: For the Record...an Amphib Landing in Burma was impossible in WWII. The only Line of Communication from India to Burma was the Burma Road or Crossing the HUMP by Aircraft. The only other attack point was at Rangoon. THe reason for this was the immense jungle and numerous Rivers that shielded interior Burma from the coast. This is a MAP issue that should be addressed in the next revision. No doubt that TG will Capture Mandalay and roll south towards Rangoon. Nice Tactic and strategy! Just not plausible in WWII.
AUSTRALIA
- IJN Marine Div destroys Road 3 Tiles SW of Darwin
Now I was looking through the Civilopedia which I should have done more in the beginning. When I look under the Terrain section and check Rivers. It says there is 0 MPs. Do I understand this to mean that there is no additional movement cost to cross a River??? It should cost a unit its entire movement points to cross. Which means a unit must have its entire Movement Points available to cross a River and then end its movement in the tile it moved to. NO Matter whether it is a Reg, Div, Corps, or Army. Just asking for clarification.
GPS to That Guy
Sully
eric_A
Deity
Sully:
As I recall from reading Churchill's memoirs, Mountbatten's staff
planned several amphibious assaults on Burma but they were always
thwarted by lack of assault shipping and landing craft and American
refusal to co-operate.
I don't think it is possible to increase the river crossing cost in Civ 3, I
can't find anything to do that in the editor. If someone knows more about
how to do this please inform me.
As I recall from reading Churchill's memoirs, Mountbatten's staff
planned several amphibious assaults on Burma but they were always
thwarted by lack of assault shipping and landing craft and American
refusal to co-operate.
I don't think it is possible to increase the river crossing cost in Civ 3, I
can't find anything to do that in the editor. If someone knows more about
how to do this please inform me.
aksully
Deity
Eric, You may be right. I have a pretty good book on the Burma Campaign..I'll get into it more and see. Its funny about the River thing. I always assumed that there was at least a +1 cost. But you are right. It does not say there is any extra movement cost. Which is really amazing considering how hard it was to cross a river in strength. Every military PC or Board game I have ever played assessed an extra movement cost to cross a river. I guess that my previous biases has been my biggest bonehead moves.
Sully
Sully
Hasdrubal Barca
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Sully pls read the PM i sent you.
eric_A
Deity
Sully:
Remember the time scale in the epic civ game is in the order of years,
at least ther is a defensive bonus for defending behind a river.
aksully
Deity
Did a little more research into this...the Arakan Mountain Range provided a natural barrier which the HOF map doesn't reflect. Now from what I can tell from reading accounts...it was possible to make amphibious landings along the Burmese west coast. But there was no where to go N or S for armor. THere weren't any roads! Now Infantry could move eastward across the range. But armor couldn't. That was why there was such effort put into the Ledo Road in the northern parts of Burma.
Now that shouldn't affect our game. TG made a good move where the map allowed him to. My problem was that for most of the war in that region..I've been using the zoomed out map. By doing so...the city box of Mandalay covers the hill tile that is one tile east of where TG landed his armor. Having not zoomed into that area..I thought it was jungle not a hill tile. Again a mistake on my part. Kudos to TG for exploiting the terrain which he is known for!
So Eric..I would suggest the map needs a little makeover. I'm still making observations on the map for you too. I've noticed particularly in straights that based on the shorelines there should only be on tile that ships can pass through. But on the current map..ships actually can pass from one tile to another across a land feature. I''l continue to not the spots and send to you within the week.
Meanwhile...that British armor army is going to do some serious damage!!!
Sully
Now that shouldn't affect our game. TG made a good move where the map allowed him to. My problem was that for most of the war in that region..I've been using the zoomed out map. By doing so...the city box of Mandalay covers the hill tile that is one tile east of where TG landed his armor. Having not zoomed into that area..I thought it was jungle not a hill tile. Again a mistake on my part. Kudos to TG for exploiting the terrain which he is known for!
So Eric..I would suggest the map needs a little makeover. I'm still making observations on the map for you too. I've noticed particularly in straights that based on the shorelines there should only be on tile that ships can pass through. But on the current map..ships actually can pass from one tile to another across a land feature. I''l continue to not the spots and send to you within the week.
Meanwhile...that British armor army is going to do some serious damage!!!
Sully
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The german hordes will continue to terrorize the free world tomorrow, too busy at work.
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German GPS to Minor Allies, That-Guy
Paotow
Panzer Army vs Fortress Div
Panzer Army vs Fortress Div
4th Panzer Army vs Fortress Div
4th Panzer Army vs Fortress Div
City doens´t fall, Fortress Div. remains on top.
Middle East
Panther Army vs Soviet Rifle Corp
Troop movement, Egypt is considered a secondary target and Armor units are retreated to europe...
Paotow
Panzer Army vs Fortress Div
Panzer Army vs Fortress Div
4th Panzer Army vs Fortress Div
4th Panzer Army vs Fortress Div
City doens´t fall, Fortress Div. remains on top.
Middle East
Panther Army vs Soviet Rifle Corp
Troop movement, Egypt is considered a secondary target and Armor units are retreated to europe...
TechGuy
Prince
I'm a little bogged down with real life at the moment. Will play within 2 days.
TechGuy
Prince
GPS to Minor Axis
British Turn Summary
The Luftwaffe, without the next generation of air superiority fighters, suffers greatly from the advanced RAF.
Western Europe Front
- heavy arty bombards Antwerp. Inf corp damaged 1 hp.
- 3 Seafuries shoot down 3 Me109s near Antwerp (3/3, 2/4, 1/4)
- 2 BBs and 1 BC bombards Antwerp. All inf corps 4 hp or less.
- Marines raid Antwerp again...
* 1st Canadian Army (2 marine corps) (13/13) kills German inf corp
* 1st Canadian Army (2 marine corps) (12/13) kills German inf corp
* 1st Canadian Army (2 marine corps) (9/13) kills German inf div
* marine corp (2/6) kills German inf div
- German invasion fleet found docked in Copenhagen. 3 Lancasters redline the fleet. Commerical dock destroyed.
- Torpedo bomber sinks invasion fleet in port
- roads in western Europe bombarded by 12 bombers, trade route cut
North Sea
- CW carrier detects 2 uboats N of Scapa
* uboat sinks CW DD
* CW DD (2/4) sinks uboat
* CW DD (1/4) sinks uboat
Near Gibraltar
- 6 torpedo bombers damage German inf corps in Spain
Middle East Front
- Minor Axis forces spotted N of Damascus. Unfortunately, they had no air support. 11 Lancasters redlines the entire force.
* Egypt Expeditionary (1 Firefly corp) (6/6) kills Minor Axis Army
* 8th Army (2 med tank divs) (8/9) kills Minor Axis inf corp
* CW inf div (3/3) kills Minor Axis inf corp
Burma Front
- landings were unsatisfactory... troops withdrawn
- 2 DDs sunk by 2 torpedo bombers each
- CW DD (3/3) sinks IJN DD near Rangoon
North Australia
- RN assets detect IJN TF W of Darwin
* 7 torpedo bombers made runs on the 4 ship force, BC Haruna and a CA sunk
* CW CA (3/4) sinks IJN DD
* CW CA (1/4) sinks IJN CA
- marine corp (6/6) kills SNLF in Cape York
British Turn Summary
The Luftwaffe, without the next generation of air superiority fighters, suffers greatly from the advanced RAF.
Western Europe Front
- heavy arty bombards Antwerp. Inf corp damaged 1 hp.
- 3 Seafuries shoot down 3 Me109s near Antwerp (3/3, 2/4, 1/4)
- 2 BBs and 1 BC bombards Antwerp. All inf corps 4 hp or less.
- Marines raid Antwerp again...
* 1st Canadian Army (2 marine corps) (13/13) kills German inf corp
* 1st Canadian Army (2 marine corps) (12/13) kills German inf corp
* 1st Canadian Army (2 marine corps) (9/13) kills German inf div
* marine corp (2/6) kills German inf div
- German invasion fleet found docked in Copenhagen. 3 Lancasters redline the fleet. Commerical dock destroyed.
- Torpedo bomber sinks invasion fleet in port
- roads in western Europe bombarded by 12 bombers, trade route cut
North Sea
- CW carrier detects 2 uboats N of Scapa
* uboat sinks CW DD
* CW DD (2/4) sinks uboat
* CW DD (1/4) sinks uboat
Near Gibraltar
- 6 torpedo bombers damage German inf corps in Spain
Middle East Front
- Minor Axis forces spotted N of Damascus. Unfortunately, they had no air support. 11 Lancasters redlines the entire force.
* Egypt Expeditionary (1 Firefly corp) (6/6) kills Minor Axis Army
* 8th Army (2 med tank divs) (8/9) kills Minor Axis inf corp
* CW inf div (3/3) kills Minor Axis inf corp
Burma Front
- landings were unsatisfactory... troops withdrawn
- 2 DDs sunk by 2 torpedo bombers each
- CW DD (3/3) sinks IJN DD near Rangoon
North Australia
- RN assets detect IJN TF W of Darwin
* 7 torpedo bombers made runs on the 4 ship force, BC Haruna and a CA sunk
* CW CA (3/4) sinks IJN DD
* CW CA (1/4) sinks IJN CA
- marine corp (6/6) kills SNLF in Cape York
eric_A
Deity
USA:
US troops finally succeed in crossing the Atlantic!!
1 inf Corp and 1 inf div land near Casablanca.
Casablanca bombarded by 5 DDs, 1 BC and 2 Avengers, units damaged:
inf div 1/3
FF Legion 2/3
FF Legion 2/3
Oran bombed by Devastator, no effect
Brest bombed by Avenger, no effect
Pacific:
2 B-17s redline para on Attu.
China:
NE of Chihkiang:
N. China army bombarded by 3 FA, 1 Cannon, 1 B-25, reduced to 10/18
US troops finally succeed in crossing the Atlantic!!
1 inf Corp and 1 inf div land near Casablanca.
Casablanca bombarded by 5 DDs, 1 BC and 2 Avengers, units damaged:
inf div 1/3
FF Legion 2/3
FF Legion 2/3
Oran bombed by Devastator, no effect
Brest bombed by Avenger, no effect
Pacific:
2 B-17s redline para on Attu.
China:
NE of Chihkiang:
N. China army bombarded by 3 FA, 1 Cannon, 1 B-25, reduced to 10/18
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