Homosexuality Illegal?!

[Blitz79]

What is this thing about the Greek government?

Speaking of Greeks, all the great philosophers were nearly all homosexual, so what's all this stuff about it not adding anything to the human race? Have you never heard of Marathon, Socrates, Witgenstein..

Tish, doesn't add anything to the human race....

 

[Sparrowhawk]

Im guessing that this is the reason behind the whole debate. From a morale standpoint, homosexuality and sodomy are very wrong.

From the Christian perspective, sure. But what about the rest of us? If the church want to regulate and inspect its members, then I couldn't care less. It's when it becomes illegal in the state that it infringes on the rights of others.

What is this thing about the Greek government?

IIRC, the Greek government recently banned video games. Someone posted a thread and link a few months ago...

 

[Hitro]

Originally posted by tpasmall
Im guessing that this is the reason behind the whole debate. From a morale standpoint, homosexuality and sodomy are very wrong. Neither of them are capable of reproduction and the continuance of the human race.

Note: This is just a general statement. I will not bring my own views into this since they are purely religous and i know that almost everyone has different religous views. So, im just showing the logic behind what the people trying to enforce this law are using.

Well the "logic" behind it is quite clear, but that doesn't make it less wrong from a country's perspective. A free country shouldn't force the views of some of it's citizens on all the others when it comes to private matters. That's what I'd call a morale standpoint, by the way.

 

[tpasmall]

Originally posted by jpowers
This is a fatuous argument. Playing Civ III is not capable of the continuance of the human race, and the government has no right to tell me to stop that (well, except the Greek government).

Playing CivIII to my knowledge doesnt have anything to with sex.....

 

[Blitz79]

The Church bans sodomy? Isn't that like Saddam Hussein banning torture? Last time I checked, Monks had a bit of a reputation..

 

[jpowers]

Originally posted by tpasmall


Playing CivIII to my knowledge doesnt have anything to with sex.....

Well, your knowledge might be a little narrow...

 

[tpasmall]

lol

 

[andrewgprv]

Of course these primitive laws should be removed. Attitudes like Nixon's are just the modern day predjudice. It is sad how something like religon that is supposed to be caring and loving in nature can spawn so much prejudice and hate. America does have a way to go, but it will get there. Being 19 I find my generation (even the religous ones) are much much much more accepting then their parents. I am hoping that sometime in the future my boyfriend and I can get married in the state of Idaho. But I'll probably have to wait a good while.

 

[Simon Darkshade]

What are the penalties associated with these sodomy laws?
And if the laws are primitive, then they should be modernized, but keep the same principle.

 

[Blitz79]

Yet another example of Muslim intolerance. tsk. oh? This isn't about them....

 

[tpasmall]

Originally posted by Sparrowhawk
From the Christian perspective, sure. But what about the rest of us? If the church want to regulate and inspect its members, then I couldn't care less. It's when it becomes illegal in the state that it infringes on the rights of others.

Whats your opinion on a 12 year old and a 40 year old having sex. If they both want to have sex with eachother, is it really wrong? If they are members of the opposite sex, that can even lead towards procreation, yet this is illegal. Why? Because it is still immoral, whether you are a Christian or not. So why not the same with sexual acts that arent part of procreation?

 

[Simon Darkshade]

Originally posted by Blitz79
Yet another example of Muslim intolerance. tsk. oh? This isn't about them....

As a troll, a poor attempt. 0 out of 10. Hopefully being around human company might rub off on you.

 

[andrewgprv]

Just like a 12 year old is considered not old enough to make a responsiable decison about alcohal the same is with sex. It is ridiculous two compare to adults having sex to pedophilia.

 

[Blitz79]

Originally posted by Simon Darkshade


As a troll, a poor attempt. 0 out of 10. Hopefully being around human company might rub off on you.

As a counter-troll, I'd say 0 out of 11.

Haha! That means I beat you!!

Just pointing out the universal nature of intolerance...

Just out of interest, why do you find homosexuality disturbing? I know when I was your age it bothered me, but you tend to get more secure when you lose your virginity and confident of your own sexuality.

 

[tpasmall]

Originally posted by andrewgprv
Just like a 12 year old is considered not old enough to make a responsiable decison about alcohal the same is with sex. It is ridiculous to compare to adults having sex to pedophilia.

Alcohaul is nothing like sex. Alcohaul is a drug that impaires ones ability to live. Besides, many countries have no drinking age, but they still have these laws about sex. And 12 year olds can still have sex with other 12 year olds anyway. So its not a matter of if they can have sex, but why not with older people? Once again, its an issue of morality.

(BTW- i am playing the devils advocate here, since its no fun to argue with people who agree with you )

 

[Blitz79]

Originally posted by tpasmall


And 12 year olds can still have sex with other 12 year olds anyway.

No you can't I used to try all the time and they were all frigid

 

[andrewgprv]

Your involving a fundamentalist mentality to your thinking. If A+B= Z then A+C must equal Z. They are two seperate and distinct issues. By your logic, any sex for pleasure (sex with condom) (one night stand) etc... is wrong. Oral sex must be wrong.

And there is logic to the morality of pedphilia, a child is not wise enough to make such a decision for themselves. Where as two adults are. There is no logic to the morality of homosexulaity being wrong.

And it is illegal for those under 16 to have sex. (18 in many states)

 

[Blitz79]

Originally posted by andrewgprv
Oral sex must be wrong.

That sucks

 

[tpasmall]

If you read the article, sodomy only consists of anal and oral....

 

[Ancient Grudge]

Originally posted by Blitz79

That sucks

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Originally posted by tpasmall


And 12 year olds can still have sex with other 12 year olds anyway.
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Originally posted by Blitz79

No you can't I used to try all the time and they were all

poor you, you should of lived around st.albans mate.

and why should homosexuality be illegal? there is nothing wrong with it.