disorganizer
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Maybe call it technology protective customs office 
How about a cooperative RPG with CDG?
- Thread starter Shaitan
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Micaelis Rex
Prince
Hmm, using the new conversion rate, I have found out Octavion X is selling "strange mold" for the equivalent of 1209.6 Fanatikan gold. 
First off, I like the idea of one universal supermarket in each side. Of course someone would have to make sure people don't go selling goods that they don't sell in their store, and we will do the same.
For now, we get a fixed $10 a week, but in the future perhaps we will give out some bonuses to gov. employees (i.e. King, Military advisor, etc.).
Hmm, about the transport by land vs. air, in your example, Disorganizer, isn't it a bit inflated to have a shiping cost 6x more than the product cost? Other than that, I like the idea.
Hmm, we don't weigh our items, is their a simpler way of doing this?
I'll conclude by reiterating what Shaitan said, CDG's RPG is fairly simple, we don't want our international rules to be 5x longer than the rest of our rules combined!
- Mike23 (Micaelis Rex)
First off, I like the idea of one universal supermarket in each side. Of course someone would have to make sure people don't go selling goods that they don't sell in their store, and we will do the same.
For now, we get a fixed $10 a week, but in the future perhaps we will give out some bonuses to gov. employees (i.e. King, Military advisor, etc.).
Hmm, about the transport by land vs. air, in your example, Disorganizer, isn't it a bit inflated to have a shiping cost 6x more than the product cost? Other than that, I like the idea.
Hmm, we don't weigh our items, is their a simpler way of doing this?
I'll conclude by reiterating what Shaitan said, CDG's RPG is fairly simple, we don't want our international rules to be 5x longer than the rest of our rules combined!
- Mike23 (Micaelis Rex)
Shaitan
der Besucher
For the shipping costs, just work up a chart and estimate weights of shipment. The manager of the superstore can assess shipping/tarrif charges.
Micaelis Rex
Prince
Perhaps shipping cost can be as follows:
By road: 50% of cost
By rail: 80% of cost
By air: 120% of cost
So if you were selling beer for 100 gold ($3.47) and shipping by air, it would cost 220 gold total ($7.64).
If you were selling beer for 100 gold and shipping by road, it would cost 150 gold total.
By road: 50% of cost
By rail: 80% of cost
By air: 120% of cost
So if you were selling beer for 100 gold ($3.47) and shipping by air, it would cost 220 gold total ($7.64).
If you were selling beer for 100 gold and shipping by road, it would cost 150 gold total.
GenMarshall
High Elven ISB Capt & Ghost Agent
Originally posted by Grandmaster
Customs? There goes my rifle sales..... they won't allow THOSE on ships and planes. Oh well.....
Not to Worry Grandmaster
, Thoes items will be on Feighter class transports . Just make sure you lock them up real tightly 
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GenMarshall
High Elven ISB Capt & Ghost Agent
CivGeneral starts to notice that this is a fast paced topic
Hmm, sounds good
. Hopefully The Port athority would be an official buisness that the Items manager can run. @Mike - And what about via Freighter Ship? Perhaps 100% of cost by Ship
Micaelis Rex
Prince
100% by ship sounds good
Micaelis Rex
Prince
OK, I think that we have gotten all of the needed rules covered.
1.) An all inclusive thread will be opened at CDG and at CFC to sell goods from CFC to CDG and vice versa.
2.) The currency conversion rate will fluctuate weekly based on the ratio of one countries average weekly income to the others. This will be determined jointly be the two international managers of the respective countries on a weekly basis.
3.) Once an item is bought, the owner of the store in the must ship the item to the country in which the item was bought, paying a fee for shipping as described below:
- By road: 50% of purchase (takes 6 days)
- By rail: 80% of purchase (takes 3 days)
- By ship: 100% of purchase (takes 2 days)
- By air: 120% of purchase (takes 1 day)
4.) An item can only be shipped if the home country of the seller has the appropriate technology (rails or air)
5.) Members may open a business in the other country only if they get permission from the country in which they want to open the business. Both the home country and the foreign country reserve the right to place a fee on the opening.
6.) A member of one country may take a vacation to the other country and will stay at a hotel, rent a beach house, or stay at a beach house they already own.
7.) While at the country, the tourist may buy and take home anything that they desire for free, so long as it isn't to be resold in a business (private transactions don't count). Anything to be sold in a business can be transported at half cost in the same type of transportation used by the tourist.
Well, that sums it up, if CFC agrees to this, we can get underway.
1.) An all inclusive thread will be opened at CDG and at CFC to sell goods from CFC to CDG and vice versa.
2.) The currency conversion rate will fluctuate weekly based on the ratio of one countries average weekly income to the others. This will be determined jointly be the two international managers of the respective countries on a weekly basis.
3.) Once an item is bought, the owner of the store in the must ship the item to the country in which the item was bought, paying a fee for shipping as described below:
- By road: 50% of purchase (takes 6 days)
- By rail: 80% of purchase (takes 3 days)
- By ship: 100% of purchase (takes 2 days)
- By air: 120% of purchase (takes 1 day)
4.) An item can only be shipped if the home country of the seller has the appropriate technology (rails or air)
5.) Members may open a business in the other country only if they get permission from the country in which they want to open the business. Both the home country and the foreign country reserve the right to place a fee on the opening.
6.) A member of one country may take a vacation to the other country and will stay at a hotel, rent a beach house, or stay at a beach house they already own.
7.) While at the country, the tourist may buy and take home anything that they desire for free, so long as it isn't to be resold in a business (private transactions don't count). Anything to be sold in a business can be transported at half cost in the same type of transportation used by the tourist.
Well, that sums it up, if CFC agrees to this, we can get underway.
Shaitan
der Besucher
That looks fine to me.
GenMarshall
High Elven ISB Capt & Ghost Agent
Looks good to me
Micaelis Rex
Prince
Sorry for the late reply, CDG is putting together price lists and such right now. We should be ready to start soon.
Grandmaster
Deity
The shipping concept is still confusing me.... who pays for shipping (buyer or seller?), and what prices do those percentages affect? 
Micaelis Rex
Prince
Each sale the buyer and seller will work out who pays the shipping cost (usually the seller I would think). Either way, the buyer would be paying for some of the shipping, its just a matter of whether it is included in the price or separate.
Grandmaster
Deity
OK, but the percentages still have me lost. Say I sell something for 100g (Fanatikan). I ship it by road (50%). That brings the price to 150gF. But if I raise the price to 150gF to cover shipping costs, would it then cost 225gF with 50% shipping costs? I'm trying to figure out what decides the shipping cost...
Micaelis Rex
Prince
OK, there will be a set price which shipping is charged to $100 get $50 shipping by road. If the owner wishes he could charge $150 and say that it includes shipping, in which case the RPG reps would divide his bill by 2/3 to find how much he actually gets.
GenMarshall
High Elven ISB Capt & Ghost Agent
Hmm, sounds good.
Micaelis Rex
Prince
Hmm, after reviewing our tax system, I can say that the average Elucidian gets only $7.28 a week, instead of $10. If I rework your conversion rate, the new rate would be $1 = 39.6 gold.
disorganizer
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@gm: you dont sell the thing here, you sell it there.
example: a item is sold for 100 gold here. the rpg-all-inclusive shop will NOT make profit and as such the price at cdg will be 100g+shipping, which will in that case be 150gold. the shop in fanatika will nevertheless only get 100g, as 50g go to the void for transportation.
another thing is if you were allowed to open a PRIVATE shop at cdg. this would allow you to increase your profit rate for the item (you could get the 100g item over there for a payment of 150g, then you can sell it there for 200g and make additional 50g profit. note that here the transportation cost will be calculated witht the fanatikan sales price).
of course, you would still have the problem that the "superstore" can still sell the item...
this brings me to another point:
any shopowner should be able to forbid selling of his items via the superstore. example:
if the pub does not want to have his beer sold in cdg, he could just state so in the superstore thread here (or the responsible rpg-managers thread) and then the item is taken out of the item list for international sales.
this could be useful if a shop wants to open a branch there and sell items by himself.
another possibility could be that the superstore stops selling items of shops which opened branch offices in cdg...
anyways, the "small ruleset" seems fine for me.
one question still:
is someone traveling to cdg allowed to do things in fanatika at the same time? this does not sound right ;-)
(at least until we developed internet and telephony)
example: a item is sold for 100 gold here. the rpg-all-inclusive shop will NOT make profit and as such the price at cdg will be 100g+shipping, which will in that case be 150gold. the shop in fanatika will nevertheless only get 100g, as 50g go to the void for transportation.
another thing is if you were allowed to open a PRIVATE shop at cdg. this would allow you to increase your profit rate for the item (you could get the 100g item over there for a payment of 150g, then you can sell it there for 200g and make additional 50g profit. note that here the transportation cost will be calculated witht the fanatikan sales price).
of course, you would still have the problem that the "superstore" can still sell the item...
this brings me to another point:
any shopowner should be able to forbid selling of his items via the superstore. example:
if the pub does not want to have his beer sold in cdg, he could just state so in the superstore thread here (or the responsible rpg-managers thread) and then the item is taken out of the item list for international sales.
this could be useful if a shop wants to open a branch there and sell items by himself.
another possibility could be that the superstore stops selling items of shops which opened branch offices in cdg...
anyways, the "small ruleset" seems fine for me.
one question still:
is someone traveling to cdg allowed to do things in fanatika at the same time? this does not sound right ;-)
(at least until we developed internet and telephony)
Micaelis Rex
Prince
OK, CDG is set to go, I need to contact your International RPG rep to set up the currency exchange, and then we will be set to go. BTW, who is your International RPG rep?
GenMarshall
High Elven ISB Capt & Ghost Agent
Hmm, Good question. I am the Items manager. Possibly Shai would create a nominations thread for it
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