How diverse is civ6?

[Duke William of Normandy]

Arabia, Rome, Persia, China, India, Macedon/Greecedon, Mongolia, France, England, Spain, Portugal and Netherlands are all listed as S tier on my list.

Egypt and the Ottomans could also be considered. Also, what @Kupe Navigator said above me.

 

[Evie]

Yeah but Henri is talking about my tier list which he considers overly militaristic.

Ottomans too, yes - I already have them as S tier on the list, just forgot they were. Egypt I see as more regional, same as the Mesopotamians or non-Macedonian Greece, so a high A tier.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

Yeah but Henri is talking about my tier list which he considers overly militaristic.

I mean to be fair you don't get to be a world superpower by being peaceful.

That being said it's not like Haiti or Palmares were able to abolish slavery without militaristic means either.

 

[Phrozen]

I would say S tier would be for a dominant culture on a sub-continental scale if not world scale. So China is S tier because it was the dominant cultural force in East Asia. India, even if it is a blob, for the sub-continent and southeast Asia. Rome for Europe, etc.

 

[Henri Christophe]

Of course militarism is important in human history, but we can start to change ourmind set, now we are living in a peace era, we can start to think about other stufs than militar power, for example, Botswana should be in Civ. They are the most developed country in Africa, a region know by their small human development.
The last king of Botswana was also their first president, the most pacific transition to a democracy I ever heard about, have a movie about it.

Evie, witch tier should you put Botswana? Without a militar power they should fall down to tier B, but, as their great IDH and amazing transition from monarchy to democracy I will give they also a S tier.

 

[Evie]

Their influence on the rest of the world is pretty limited, Henri. Most nations and cultures have done cool things if you look at them right. But some have had far more impact on history than others. Botswana's impact is not that. World history without Botswana doesn't look very different from world history with Botswana in it.

Now if you want me to bring up an S-tier nation who get their S-tier for non-military reasons, who never conquered much of the world? I can name one. It will likely never be in civ due to controversy surrounding their modern counterpart, but I would rank the Hebrew civilization S-tier in term of global impact, solely on the basis of getting the Abrahamic religions going.

 

[Ryansinbela]

unfortunate about their controversial nature

 

[Henri Christophe]

Their influence on the rest of the world is pretty limited, Henri. Most nations and cultures have done cool things if you look at them right. But some have had far more impact on history than others. Botswana's impact is not that. World history without Botswana doesn't look very different from world history with Botswana in it.

This game have the power to make the impact of Seretse Khama more meaningfull, what do we know about south african's country during the Apartheid Era? This dude fight against Apartheid married him self a white woman.
Should we venerate a leader who fight against apartheid? I think yes.

Now if you want me to bring up an S-tier nation who get their S-tier for non-military reasons, who never conquered much of the world? I can name one. It will likely never be in civ due to controversy surrounding their modern counterpart, but I would rank the Hebrew civilization S-tier in term of global impact, solely on the basis of getting the Abrahamic religions going.

I never understand why Israel isn't a Civ yet? The only caucasian I'm missing in this game!
they can have Unique Units as the Slinger Davi or more modern as Krev Maga soldiers

 

[Ryansinbela]

Because of various controversies that will not be named as they could set the thread ablaze

the unique unit could be a Maccabee

the infrastructure should be the Yeshiva (library) or Kibbutz (Neighborhood)

 

[Zaarin]

I never understand why Israel isn't a Civ yet? The only caucasian I'm missing in this game!

For the love of...Can we not use centuries-old outdated racial categories? If we are going to use them, I'd like to point out that Ethiopians are "Caucasian" because reasons.

the infrastructure should be the Yeshiva (library) or Kibbutz (Neighborhood)

A mikveh (miqweh), perhaps as a unique improvement, could be another possibility, but I also like the yeshiva. The mikveh has more antiquity.

 

[Duke William of Normandy]

Because of various controversies that will not be named as they could set the thread ablaze

the unique unit could be a Maccabee

the infrastructure should be the Yeshiva (library) or Kibbutz (Neighborhood)

That's because of me, isn't it?

 

[Henri Christophe]

Ethiopians are "Caucasian" because reasons

You are right, my last chart was wrong. As Ethiopians are Semitics and Semitics are Caucasians, donc Ethiopians should be caucasians
If one day a re-do this chart I will fix it.
But, despite Ethiopians be also caucasians, they are also Black. They are Black caucasians XD

 

[Ryansinbela]

Caucasian is a bit outdated

 

[Duke William of Normandy]

You are right, my last chart was wrong. As Ethiopians are Semitics and Semitics are Caucasians, donc Ethiopians should be caucasians
If one day a re-do this chart I will fix it.
But, despite Ethiopians be also caucasians, they are also Black. They are Black caucasians XD

Henri, how many times do we have to repeat ourselves?? Caucasian is an outdated and unfactual term that scholars don't use anymore.

Also, why do you consider the Indians Caucasian? Just, why? Edit: Nevermind this question, move along everyone.

 

[Ryansinbela]

Because the Indians were originally thought to be from the Caucasus

 

[Duke William of Normandy]

Because the Indians were originally thought to be from the Caucasus

I see... I still stand by my other point.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

Of course militarism is important in human history, but we can start to change ourmind set, now we are living in a peace era, we can start to think about other stufs than militar power, for example, Botswana should be in Civ. They are the most developed country in Africa, a region know by their small human development.
The last king of Botswana was also their first president, the most pacific transition to a democracy I ever heard about, have a movie about it.

Evie, witch tier should you put Botswana? Without a militar power they should fall down to tier B, but, as their great IDH and amazing transition from monarchy to democracy I will give they also a S tier.

Honestly I'm not too keen on having any modern day country of Africa represented. I'd much rather them be represented by their post-colonial kingdoms and empires. The only exception that I'll make is Ethiopia, but even then I wish they'd focus on their Classical/Medieval history more in future installments.

Also, why do you consider the Indians Caucasian? Just, why?

More specifically he probably thinks of them as an "Indo-Aryan" group of people, and well you know who popularized the term that the group of people called "Aryans" as the superior "race".

 

[Zaarin]

As Ethiopians are Semitics and Semitics are Caucasians, donc Ethiopians should be caucasians

Actually I think it has to do with the shape of their skulls because that's a great way to classify people. At any rate, not all Ethiopians speak Semitic languages; many also speak Cuѕhitic and Omotic languages (which are also Afroasiatic) as well as many Nilo-Saharan languages and a few other minority languages.

 

[Duke William of Normandy]

Actually I think it has to do with the shape of their skulls because that's a great way to classify people. At any rate, not all Ethiopians speak Semitic languages; many also speak Cu****ic and Omotic languages (which are also Afroasiatic) as well as many Nilo-Saharan languages and a few other minority languages.

Cushites? Wait, HEH??!!

 

[Ryansinbela]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cushitic_languages (realized that the bot is an idiot)
Cush_itic