How diverse is civ6?

[Henri Christophe]

Perhaps the Mohawk Warrior as a Unique Unit?

Seneca warriors are also a option, but I believe Mohawk is more cool.

And bout their leader? Hiawatha again? I don't like to have the same leaders and stuffs from Civ 5, a new game need to do things different.

 

[Duke William of Normandy]

Seneca warriors are also a option, but I believe Mohawk is more cool.

And bout their leader? Hiawatha again? I don't like to have the same leaders and stuffs from Civ 5, a new game need to do things different.

Jigonsaseh, the Great Peacemaker, Joseph Brant, and Cornplanter are a few alternate Leaders I can name. But you are right, those Seneca Warriors look bloody epic.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

Iroquois would be a huge add (though they would overlap a lot with Canada and USA on a TSL map, but that's a Canada and the Us problem, not an Iroquois one), but what's really missing is something in the Rockies or Pacific Northwest.

Don't forget the South West.

Perhaps the Mohawk Warrior as a Unique Unit?

I would propose calling the UU the Kanienʼkehá꞉ka (which is what the Mohawk called themselves) which would be a musketmen replacement.
The Iroquois were the first Natives to use guns to their advantage, particularly the Mohawk tribe which were the most aggressive, by trading with the Dutch so it fits.

 

[Henri Christophe]

Another name to become new Iroquois leader is Tadodaho, he lived at same time as Hiawatha and was the warmonger leader of Iroquois federation and have a cool hair

 

[Duke William of Normandy]

Another name to become new Iroquois leader is Tadodaho, he lived at same time as Hiawatha and was the warmonger leader of Iroquois federation and have a cool hair

That's an artistic representation of him, and I'm pretty sure he didn't have snakes for hair... But he could also be a good choice, given that he was redeemed, threw away his ways of war, and became the first leader of the Five Tribes of the Iroquois.

 

[Leucarum]

There are only so many north american tribes which have enough "material" to make a civ out of

Even where there is plenty of material, firaxis have shown they can make civs out of less but you are right, sadly...

 

[Henri Christophe]

Shoshone would be nice too

I don't want Shoshone back, I guess US-West Native Americans have better options as the Navajo and Lakota-Sioux
Lakota Sioux, in my opinion, is one of the best options because their leader Sitting Bull.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

I don't want Shoshone back, I guess US-West Native Americans have better options as the Navajo and Lakota-Sioux
Lakota Sioux, in my opinion, is one of the best options because their leader Sitting Bull.

The Sioux were primarily nomadic though and did not live in permanent settlements, which makes it hard for them to function as a civilization in game, especially when coming up with city names.
Besides Poundmaker is already a Plains Cree so we got the Plains culture down already if we're talking about diversity.

I think the best options would be the Navajo or a Pacific Northwest culture if we had to choose one out west.

 

[Evie]

Even where there is plenty of material, firaxis have shown they can make civs out of less but you are right, sadly...

I mean, not so right as he thinks. There's only so many such tribes, but "so many' in this case is still a LOT - Indigenous North America was more fragmented than the Holy Roman Empire, and while we may not have detailed accounts of all the little subtribes, in many cases we have well documented information for far, far, more group than you'd suspect.

If it took me about an hour to come up with a basic outline of themes and ideas for how they translate in game (balance pass needed of course) for a mid-range civ like the Nootka, there' s a lot of others it can also be done for.

 

[Henri Christophe]

The Sioux were primarily nomadic though and did not live in permanent settlements, which makes it hard for them to function as a civilization in game, especially when coming up with city names.
Besides Poundmaker is already a Plains Cree so we got the Plains culture down already if we're talking about diversity.

I think the best options would be the Navajo or a Pacific Northwest culture if we had to choose one out west.

About settlements, where do they live now a days? Maybe we can pick modern settlements in South and North Dakota where have more Lakota population.
About they are very similar to Cree, that I don't know that much. If yes, we can pick another civ as some of 5 civilized tribes of South East.
Maybe Sequoyah ᏍᏏᏆᏱ as Cherokee leader
with some scientific boosts.

I mean, not so right as he thinks. There's only so many such tribes, but "so many' in this case is still a LOT - Indigenous North America was more fragmented than the Holy Roman Empire, and while we may not have detailed accounts of all the little subtribes, in many cases we have well documented information for far, far, more group than you'd suspect.

If it took me about an hour to come up with a basic outline of themes and ideas for how they translate in game (balance pass needed of course) for a mid-range civ like the Nootka, there' s a lot of others it can also be done for.

I think is good have many native americans to choice, because we can search for more undercovered histories. And this game don't have excuses to fill the Blank in America map, options have. Some we don't have the language they spoke, other may don't have good settlements names, but options who have all necessary of course it has.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

About settlements, where do they live now a days? Maybe we can pick modern settlements in South and North Dakota where have more Lakota population.
About they are very similar to Cree, that I don't know that much. If yes, we can pick another civ as some of 5 civilized tribes of South East.
Maybe Sequoyah ᏍᏏᏆᏱ as Cherokee leader
with some scientific boosts.

Well the Cree are pretty diverse themselves. Poundmaker was a chief of a Plains Cree band so yes his lifestyle would be similar to the Sioux. However other Cree people that lived more east lived in more forested areas and built and lived in mekewaps, which is their unique improvement in game, which were more permanent structures.

Regarding city names many of the Cree city names were taken from names of different Cree nations or reservations where they live now and it's not the most ideal situation. The Sioux would be in a similar situation and something I'd rather just avoid when we can find other native tribes that have names for settlements before the Europeans arrived.

As for Sequoyah I do admit he would be interesting for scientific boosts. I mentioned before that maybe Tuskegee, the town he was born and lived, could show up as a scientific city-state for more city-states in North America.
I don't know if they would pick him to lead because he technically was never a leader of the Cherokee, only invented their alphabet.

 

[Henri Christophe]

I don't know if they would pick him to lead because he technically was never a leader of the Cherokee, only invented their alphabet.

The same case as Evita Perón for Argentina, both are kind of spiritual leader for the nation.
The civilized tribes try once to transform a State inside Oklahoma State called Sequoyah.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

The same case as Evita Perón for Argentina, both are kind of spiritual leader for the nation.

I agree that he would arguably be a better leader for them than many of their actual leaders. Same goes for Eva Peron.
I'm not sure Firaxis wants to do that other than Gandhi it seems.

 

[nzcamel]

I agree that he would arguably be a better leader for them than many of their actual leaders. Same goes for Eva Peron.
I'm not sure Firaxis wants to do that other than Gandhi it seems.

Here's hoping Civ 7 finally leaves Gandhi in peace for a bit...

 

[Henri Christophe]

I agree that he would arguably be a better leader for them than many of their actual leaders. Same goes for Eva Peron.
I'm not sure Firaxis wants to do that other than Gandhi it seems.

Civilization IV uses Oconostota as Cherokee Leader

I still prefer Sequoyah, but at least have more options to do a Cherokee civilization.

By the way, this Civ 4 is way more diverse than Civ 5 and 6, just look how many native americans they have.
https://civilization.fandom.com/wiki/Civilization_IV:_Colonization
Apaches>

Arawk>

Aztecs>

Inca>

Iroquois>

Sioux>

Tupi>

Here's hoping Civ 7 finally leaves Gandhi in peace for a bit...

I have the same desire, I'm tired of Gandhi in all games, but, I guess the Nuke Gandhi is a very important thing in these frenchise.

 

[Evie]

That's Civ:Colonization, a side game, not Civ IV, and the native tribes in it were not playable. It's really not a good example for diversity.

 

[Duke William of Normandy]

You're free to disagree.

I'm not sure Firaxis wants to do that other than Gandhi it seems.

Here's hoping Civ 7 finally leaves Gandhi in peace for a bit...

I have the same desire, I'm tired of Gandhi in all games, but, I guess the Nuke Gandhi is a very important thing in these frenchise.

Here's my solution: In Civ 7, when they inevitably introduce Gandhi leading India, introduce an alternate Leader into the base game as well.

At least, that's how I see it. You're free to disagree.

 

[Henri Christophe]

You're free to disagree.




Here's my solution: In Civ 7, when they inevitably introduce Gandhi leading India, introduce an alternate Leader into the base game as well.

At least, that's how I see it. You're free to disagree.

India should start to be represented by the many kingdoms and sultanates it was formed up.

we need to deblobed India

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

You're free to disagree.




Here's my solution: In Civ 7, when they inevitably introduce Gandhi leading India, introduce an alternate Leader into the base game as well.

At least, that's how I see it. You're free to disagree.

I'm pretty sure at this point we will never get rid of Shaka, Gandhi and Alexander so that would probably be the best option along with another leader for Greece as well if Macedon goes back to being a part of Greece.

India should start to be represented by the many kingdoms and sultanates it was formed up.

we need to deblobed India

Ideally it would probably be for the best. But in a game with between only 40 to 60 different factions there's only so many civs you can make and realistically I only see the possibility of maybe a separate Mughal Civ appearing. The same can be argued for the different Chinese dynasties. The way Humankind works it's fine to have a separate Zhou and Ming but not for Civ.

 

[Duke William of Normandy]

Ideally it would probably be for the best. But in a game with between only 40 to 60 different factions there's only so many civs you can make and realistically I only see the possibility of maybe a separate Mughal Civ appearing.

There's Chola to represent Sri Lanka and the surrounding lands...