[GS] How to get Quick Diplomatic Victory?

[Lily_Lancer]

I just browsed from the civilopedia and tries to make a conclusion for this.

The timing of Diplomatic Victory is not slower than anyone else on online Deity. You can win on either T110 or T130.

The timing of Diplomatic Victory is much slower on standard Deity, the quickest possible time is T205~210.


Points:
Mohabodhi 2, Potala 1, Statue of Liberty 4, make sure you have all of these.

Future tech 1, future Civic 1

That sums up to be 9.

You still need 11 more. A pre-modern congress gives you 2, a post-modern one can give you 5, +1 when the world fair being completed.

Number of pre-modern congresses: Online: T50,70,90 . 3 chances.
Standard: T90,120,150,180. 4 chances

9+4*2=17<20

So you definitely need the modern congress to make your final jump.

That gives you 5. 3 from passing resolutions, 2 from awarding yourself DV point.

However awarding yourself DV point is tough, especially when there exist more than 1 AI.

Suggestion: Eliminate all but one AI, look at how many diplo favors he have (Buy some if possible), spend more than him on every resolution, with the help of 50 Favor per turn by future civic.

It seems really hard for online Deity to win DV on T110, you have to not miss anything since the cap is 20.
But winning on T130 is not difficult. All you need is to get the wonders, future Civic and eliminate all but one Civ.


On standard speed T205~210 is not hard. Your cap is 22 so you can miss 2 points and still wins. Also you have enough time to eliminate all but one Civ, and run future civic multiple times. (That is not guaranteed in T110 online speed)

Aid Request or Military Aid? These are really helpful and may accelerate your winning by as much as 30 turns(on standard speed), but they depend on pure luck. Yes having one or two is very helpful, but why don't you buy a lottery before you decide to rely on these random things?

 

[Troy Bruckner]

Suggestion: Eliminate all but one .

That would be like saying Ghengis Khan or Alexander are the best Civs for science because they can eliminate all other Civs sans one single small city and gurantee themselves a science victory.

 

[Lily_Lancer]

That would be like saying Ghengis Khan or Alexander are the best Civs for science because they can eliminate all other Civs sans one single small city and gurantee themselves a science victory.

In SV once you have enough science to run 1 tech per turn further conquest makes no sense.

However In DV eliminating your opponents have real means. You wish to get the +2 DV point passed, however if everyone is alive and they all vote -3 for this, it will be painful for you to pass that resolution. However if you only have one opponent you only have to vote more votes than him.

 

[Attakuiu]

I just browsed from the civilopedia and tries to make a conclusion for this.

The timing of Diplomatic Victory is not slower than anyone else on online Deity. You can win on either T110 or T130.

The timing of Diplomatic Victory is much slower on standard Deity, the quickest possible time is T205~210.


Points:
Mohabodhi 2, Potala 1, Statue of Liberty 4, make sure you have all of these.

Future tech 1, future Civic 1

That sums up to be 9.

You still need 11 more. A pre-modern congress gives you 2, a post-modern one can give you 5, +1 when the world fair being completed.

Number of pre-modern congresses: Online: T50,70,90 . 3 chances.
Standard: T90,120,150,180. 4 chances

9+4*2=17<20

So you definitely need the modern congress to make your final jump.

That gives you 5. 3 from passing resolutions, 2 from awarding yourself DV point.

However awarding yourself DV point is tough, especially when there exist more than 1 AI.

Suggestion: Eliminate all but one AI, look at how many diplo favors he have (Buy some if possible), spend more than him on every resolution, with the help of 50 Favor per turn by future civic.

It seems really hard for online Deity to win DV on T110, you have to not miss anything since the cap is 20.
But winning on T130 is not difficult. All you need is to get the wonders, future Civic and eliminate all but one Civ.


On standard speed T205~210 is not hard. Your cap is 22 so you can miss 2 points and still wins. Also you have enough time to eliminate all but one Civ, and run future civic multiple times. (That is not guaranteed in T110 online speed)

What civ do you consider with this strategy ? If you also want to eliminate all but one I think to use a civ that is good at war. Maybe Hungary or America ?

 

[Lily_Lancer]

What civ do you consider with this strategy ? If you also want to eliminate all but one I think to use a civ that is good at war. Maybe Hungary or America ?

In fact any Civ can do that easily on T205~210. No need to choose a specific one.

I think the strongest shall be China. Among the DV wonders Mahabodhi is the most difficult one, others may compete with you on this wonder. If you play China then you ensure the +2. (On the other hand, Kongo is the worst Civ for DV since it cannot build Mohabodhi).

 

[dbwithlemon]

+2 DV point resoloution is easier than you might think, you just can't get it the first time.

1. Get high enough to trigger the AI to vote you down at first modern WC session
2. Vote yourself down knowing the AI will, and try your best to get the other votes correct with only a single vote. This should net you 0 points or at worst a -1.
3. Since you didn't use any favor, you should have a huge lead going into the next WC session and ideally if you are generating enough, you should have enough to outvote everyone, netting yourself 4-5 DV points in the second modern WC session. Potentially enough to close out the game entirely if you got the Statue of liberty and enough good votes.

I've done this multiple times with different civs. I generally play Deity, Quick speed and Standard size.
Getting all 3 wonders is tough on deity, so It's hard to get a pre-modern DV for me at least.

 

[Zdarg]

I generally play Deity, Quick speed and Standard size. .

Standard?
Well, if you want it easy way, you can play Duel just as well and never bother about eliminating anybody.

 

[Lily_Lancer]

+2 DV point resoloution is easier than you might think, you just can't get it the first time.

1. Get high enough to trigger the AI to vote you down at first modern WC session
2. Vote yourself down knowing the AI will, and try your best to get the other votes correct with only a single vote. This should net you 0 points or at worst a -1.
3. Since you didn't use any favor, you should have a huge lead going into the next WC session and ideally if you are generating enough, you should have enough to outvote everyone, netting yourself 4-5 DV points in the second modern WC session. Potentially enough to close out the game entirely if you got the Statue of liberty and enough good votes.

I've done this multiple times with different civs. I generally play Deity, Quick speed and Standard size.
Getting all 3 wonders is tough on deity, so It's hard to get a pre-modern DV for me at least.

If you miss the 1st one you have to wait 30 more turns. That's really terrible. 30 Turns! For Diplo Victory I already have wait for 50 turns after I eliminated the 6th opponent, then you tell me if I wait another 30 turns I can ensure the +2? Gosh.

I cannot stand this. If there is +2 you must win that in the 1st congress (and also I'm perfectly able to do that), instead of waiting terribly.

BTW if you mean online speed T110 at that time you may have to wait for the T130 one.

 

[dbwithlemon]

I would say, if your path to a diplomatic victory is conquering all but one person, we're really arguing semantics about calling it a diplomatic victory.
If you only have one opponent left, you can easily win the first vote, but if that's the route you're taking, you probably aren't investing your time in a diplomatic victory correctly.
I generally have little to no military with a DV, except those needed to complete CS quests.
My usual DV strat is to focus on favor, through alliances and suzerain bonuses so I can rig all the early votes for max points, then stockpile for the final push on the 2nd post modern. That means being friends/allies with everyone, which isnt hard to accomplish. Then pushing hard for envoys, which means doing every CS quest you can.

Standard?
Well, if you want it easy way, you can play Duel just as well and never bother about eliminating anybody.

Wait, are you implying standard is too easy , or too hard?

 

[Zdarg]

Wait, are you implying standard is too easy , or too hard?

Too dull and uninteresting.
Well, to play for 30 years and to realize suddenly that not everybody is playing Huge. Ok, at least now I see why some people suggest strategies senseless from my PoV.

 

[dbwithlemon]

I used to play huge, but my PC is old at this point and a late game turn on huge can take almost 5 minutes per turn of waiting. I'll have to give one a shot though and see how I have to adjust planning for a DV.

 

[Ownsya]

Suggestion: Eliminate all but one AI, look at how many diplo favors he have (Buy some if possible), spend more than him on every resolution, with the help of 50 Favor per turn by future civic.

gotm 67 was Diplomatic Victory condition on Immortal using England-Eleanor, standard sized map. The fastest win there was T216 which is close to what you're saying is a good time, and it was done completely peacefully.
gotm 70 was another DV game on Prince with Sweden on a Large sized map. The fastest win there was T240 and it was also a peaceful game. The second fastest win was T247 and in that game 3 civs were eliminated; 2 by the player, one by the ai.

Just thought I'd look for examples and it seems that if played right, you don't need to conquer other civs to get a fast DV. One of them is basically the same as your idealized 205-210 turns to win. The other I assume had to wait for one more congress but it was also a Large map.

 

[Lily_Lancer]

gotm 67 was Diplomatic Victory condition on Immortal using England-Eleanor, standard sized map. The fastest win there was T216 which is close to what you're saying is a good time, and it was done completely peacefully.
gotm 70 was another DV game on Prince with Sweden on a Large sized map. The fastest win there was T240 and it was also a peaceful game. The second fastest win was T247 and in that game 3 civs were eliminated; 2 by the player, one by the ai.

Just thought I'd look for examples and it seems that if played right, you don't need to conquer other civs to get a fast DV. One of them is basically the same as your idealized 205-210 turns to win. The other I assume had to wait for one more congress but it was also a Large map.

That is not deity, so the time of world enters modern is delayed, so as the victory time.

BTW standard speed is boring so now I only play online speed games. If GOTM being online speed Deity I'll have a try.

 

[Victoria]

and it was done completely peacefully.

Yes, you can get suzerain of all the CS and starve them of votes and have Országház. Greece and Sweden are useful for this approach.
I said when they announced a DV that violence was the best answer but having played a peaceful Sweden DipV you realise than unless you play different playstyles you just put ion a pair of winning goggles and do the same thing every game.