How would you design Haiti?

[Henri Christophe]

Hello guys, I'm back and want to discuss about Haiti.
I copy paste Xandinho's idea of Haiti, what do you think? looks great to me.
Do you think Haiti can appear in Civ 7 as a new Civ who was never before in this game?



Haiti
Leader: Toussaint Louverture
Start bias: close to a coast

UA: La Perle des Antilles - Plantations grant +2 production, +2 faith and +1 gold, these bonuses are doubled after Mercantilism. Encampments can only be built on hills, but they grant +5 culture, which is converted into tourism after Flight.

Leader ability: Father of Haiti - Builders have combat strength similar to the most modern recon unit that has been unlocked by Haitian civ, with an extra +2 combat strength for each unused charge.
When Haiti is at war, it allows you to start Rebellion city project.
Rebellion project: cannot be done in more than one city at the same time. When active, grants +35% production to military units in all cities. Upon completion, it grants three free anti-cavalry units and all military units receive double experience from battles over the next 12 turns, plus +5 era score. Only one rebellion project can be done per era. This project is twice as expensive to produce as a normal district project.

Unique building: Ounfò
Replaces Temple
Available in Theology
+4 faith
+1 citizen slot
+1 Great Prophet point per turn
+1 relic slot
+2 extra faith for each religion that has at least 1 follower in the city.
Allows the city to buy the Houngan religious unit.
Houngans: have 3 charges to heal other religious units or land military units. Every time they heal a unit, a small boost of faith is generated. They are more expensive than Missionaries and Gurus, but cheaper than Apostles.

Unique unit: Mawon - replaces Pike and Shot. This unit is weaker than Pike and Shot (50 combat strength instead of 55), but receives +10 combat strength during Dark Ages. When a Mawon pillages a plantation, you get another free Mawon.

 

[Xandinho]

If Henri Christophe is the leader instead of Toussaint Louverture, the bonus for Encampments could go to the leader abiltiy to reflect Citadelle Laferrière, while the civilization ability could get a bonus for generating Great Generals.

 

[Henri Christophe]

If Henri Christophe is the leader instead of Toussaint Louverture, the bonus for Encampments could go to the leader abiltiy to reflect Citadelle Laferrière, while the civilization ability could get a bonus for generating Great Generals.

I would like to see Henri Christophe as a Leader, but I think, as first appear of Haiti in game Toussaint L'Ouverture is the best choice. Maybe Henri can be an alternative leader to Haiti, or, if Haiti come in Civ 7 with Toussaint, Henri can be leading Haiti in Civ 8.

Citadelle Laferrière can be a monument who everyone can build.

 

[Henri Christophe]

Speaking about leaders, I will make a short list of possibles replacements for Toussaint L'Ouverture as leader of Haiti.

1- Jean Jacques Dessalines

He was the first emperor of Haiti, but he is a bit controversial leader because he orders the 1804 massacre of Haiti.

2- Henri Christophe

The second emperor of Haiti, just rules the North Haiti where have a most Black community. He made some monuments as Citadelle Laferrière and the Palace Sans Souci and kill him self in order to avoid a civil war against the South Haiti.

3- Alexandre Pétion

The first president of Haiti, just rules the South Haiti where have a most Mulato community. As the first Black Republic of the world, they aid the revolutionary dream of Simon Bolivar with guns, money and mens to fight.

4-Jean Pierre Boyer

The second president of Haiti, he united the South and North Haiti in a single country. (it also includes the Republica Dominican side of island)

5- Faustin Solouque

The last king of Haiti, his reign is marked by the lose of the Republican Dominican territory.

 

[Patine]

Hello guys, I'm back and want to discuss about Haiti.
I copy paste Xandinho's idea of Haiti, what do you think? looks great to me.
Do you think Haiti can appear in Civ 7 as a new Civ who was never before in this game?



Haiti
Leader: Toussaint Louverture
Start bias: close to a coast

UA: La Perle des Antilles - Plantations grant +2 production, +2 faith and +1 gold, these bonuses are doubled after Mercantilism. Encampments can only be built on hills, but they grant +5 culture, which is converted into tourism after Flight.

Leader ability: Father of Haiti - Builders have combat strength similar to the most modern recon unit that has been unlocked by Haitian civ, with an extra +2 combat strength for each unused charge.
When Haiti is at war, it allows you to start Rebellion city project.
Rebellion project: cannot be done in more than one city at the same time. When active, grants +35% production to military units in all cities. Upon completion, it grants three free anti-cavalry units and all military units receive double experience from battles over the next 12 turns, plus +5 era score. Only one rebellion project can be done per era. This project is twice as expensive to produce as a normal district project.

Unique building: Ounfò
Replaces Temple
Available in Theology
+4 faith
+1 citizen slot
+1 Great Prophet point per turn
+1 relic slot
+2 extra faith for each religion that has at least 1 follower in the city.
Allows the city to buy the Houngan religious unit.
Houngans: have 3 charges to heal other religious units or land military units. Every time they heal a unit, a small boost of faith is generated. They are more expensive than Missionaries and Gurus, but cheaper than Apostles.

Unique unit: Mawon - replaces Pike and Shot. This unit is weaker than Pike and Shot (50 combat strength instead of 55), but receives +10 combat strength during Dark Ages. When a Mawon pillages a plantation, you get another free Mawon.

As much of a nice anti-slavery message as it would be, in truth, plantation profitability plummeted in Haiti, not to mention how many plantations were razed and destroyed during the Revolution. Also, the faith thing had the issue that the nation has always been torn between the Roman Catholic Church and the Voudoun Faith, and neither seemed to fully gain an upper hand among the population - similar to Buddhism vs. Shinto in Japan. The Duvaliers, to my knowledge, were only OPENLY Voudoun heads-of-state, and the only ones to leverage the faith fully in a politicized way.

 

[Henri Christophe]

The Duvaliers, to my knowledge, were only OPENLY Voudoun heads-of-state, and the only ones to leverage the faith fully in a politicized way.

Yes, the proeminent leaders of Haiti was mostly catholic. But that don't mean they don't believe or use voodun symbology, they are nomally catholic but can have a hidden believe in voduns. Still today most of voduns followers are nomally catholic. And also there is also much syncretism.

And vooduns is an amazing charectristic of Haiti society and can be well explored by a game as civilization.

 

[Henri Christophe]

The Duvaliers, to my knowledge, were only OPENLY Voudoun heads-of-state

I was wondering about that, despite to be a dicator, Duvalier made a lot of cool stufs, be the first Haitian president to be proud of Haitian culture and religion?
Bacause indeed all other leaders of Haiti were nominally catholic, despite should be folish ignore some examples of voodoo cosmovision in Haitian leaders, even if they are catholics.
First example is the name chosen by Toussaint to be his name, L'Ouverture, who means the one who open and is sticked with the concept of the most important deity of west africa, who I know as Exu or Eshu in english. It can be also know as Legbá in Cuba or Bará, however... L'Ouverture may be a mention to this african deity. This same deity has the color red and black who is the collors of Dessalines uniform and Imperial flag of Henri Christophe; about the imperial flag, it is also used by Duvalier regime who brings back the popular imaginary of an Imperial Haiti of africans traditions.

By the way, Papa Doc should be an amazing leader to Haiti also.
He could have the Tonton Macoute as his unique unity with voodoo powers and also gunpowder.

 

[Patine]

By the way, Papa Doc should be an amazing leader to Haiti also.
He could have the Tonton Macoute as his unique unity with voodoo powers and also gunpowder.

Well, let's be honest, the Tonton Macoute were a run-of-the-mill Cold War Third World death squad/secret police force with an engineered propaganda urban legend around them. "Voodoo powers," should be avoided, like all fantastic elements. And, as for gunpowder, by the time we got to the Duvaliers' regime, it was the '50's-'80's, and even the most destitute national army could equip their troops with assault rifles, RPG's, and mortar cannons, at least, so I can't fathom the call out there.

 

[Henri Christophe]

I was reading an amazing book write down by a guy from Trinidad Tobago called: The Black Jacobins
And I'm going even deeper in Haitian history now.
In the day 5 frutidor of the year before the year one ( I like to call it the year zero, but it can be also the year -1)
In the small city of Boïs Caiman, in the near of Le-Cap (Today's Cap-Haitien)
Dutty Boukman helded a voodoo cerimony where he killed a pig and elected the first triunvirate of Haiti.
The secular leaders of the revolution were:
Jeannot Bullet
Jean-François Papillon
Georges Biassou

I just found the picture of the last one, Georges Biassou.
Jeannot Bullet was the first to die, he was executted by his camaradas because it was considered too violent;
But François and Biassou still leaders of the revolution a long time;
In 1793 Biassou and François alligned with the Spain against the Frenchs
But in the next year the French republic abolish the slavery and Toussant L'Ouverture, who at the time was subject of Biassou, betrayed him and allign back with the French.
Who by the way L'Ouverture will be alligned (with France) untill Napoleon.

So as possible Haitian leaders of a possible civ of Haiti; I would like to put also in the list of possivle leaders the first triunvirate of Bullet, Papillon and Biassou.
Also the name of Dutty Boukman is also very relevant, who was the religious leader of the moviment

 

[Patine]

This guy, along with the Duvaliers, MAY be a Vodun-practicing national leader. He lifted the ban in Benin on practicing Vodun in 1992 (a ban made when the Marxist-Leninist People's Republic of Benin took over the Government of the former Republic of Dahomey, and changed the name in 1975, driving Vodun practices underground until 1992), and this President financed the Temple of the Pythons in Ouidah, and financed a multi-national Vodun festival in Ouidah in 1992.

Nicéphore Soglo - Wikipedia

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