how would you play that one ?

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I'm playing warlord monarch with the egyptian girl.

It is still BC year but i just completed the 5th head of the hydra BudIndJewConTao, without even really trying. No shrine yet.

GL & Parthenon in, but i missed the oracle (built by Monty). still have monopoly on alphabet

Eliminated Wong with a charriot rush (he was bud funder), have quite some room locked to backfill, but my military is still weak, have Monty, Memhed & Shaka on doorstep (make me nervous), running a SE and just lightbulbed Philo. Oh and being a SE before currency, i'm on the verge of bankrupty so cant expand quickly.

I'm quite far from my usual domination campaigns, so this is really foreign territory for me, but i would really hate loosing that one. Hence the request for your thoughts.

Would Ankhor vat would be a good choice to get the prophets GP i need ?
What path would you take ?

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Firstly, I'm not sure why nobody has responded to this thread sooner, but I presume you have since played on! I'll continue my blab on the basis that you haven't, or that a retrospective view of your 50 B.C. game might be of some value.

You've done very well in killing off Korea and picking up bags of land and two very good cities. You've taken a fairly hard-line position on the Farm Economy, and as you've noted, your economy is 'in the toilet'. You've been fortunate that Buddhism has spread to Zulu lands and Ottoman lands, and that has opened the options for more of a religious-based approach to the game.

There are loads of issues that you've got to address;

What to do about Montezuma?

A few ways to go on this one;

You can try to convert him to Buddhism - therefore you'll need to (a.) swap back to Organised Religion or (in my view preferably ...) build some Buddhist Monastaries, and (b.) Open Borders with him, which poses another risk in that he may start sending Settlers into your turf.

You can let him be, and possibly gamble on an attack on Pyong'yang, then arrange a dogpile on him.

You can press on with an attack.

Me? I'd try for the Buddhist conversion, but be quick about opening and closing off the borders.

Wide open spaces

You need to settle quickly. You don't have open borders with anyone, but Mehmed can easily begin settling on your eastern coast. Draw up a dot-map, and do what you can to cut off access to your continent down the eastern coast as a priority by settling a city that won't allow Galleys to get further down the coast - this fifth city will be costly, but I think worth it. Cities that can work commercial tiles, coastal, and close to the capital would probably be next in line.

Cottage vs. Farm Economy

You have recently swapped your civics, so must wait for a while, but you're getting very little value out of the Caste System. Thebes has secured one extra Specialist Scientist (two from The Great Library, two from the basic Library, and you've added one via the Caste System), while Pyong'yang is running a Specialist Scientist although I question its value when that city has growth options. I'd look at Slavery again - cheaper, and allows quick production of essential buildings and units. As an aside, you've got a 'stop growth' on Thebes, yet it can grow without issue.

Start working more commercial tiles and research Currency. You've only got four cities, and an extra internal trade route is not likely to change much for now, but you may be able to sell off some cheap technologies for gold, while working on getting up more Cottages (for the 'Hybrid' economy). Build Courthouses in your two Korean cities. As you settle, you're costs are only going to go higher - again, work commercial tiles, swap into a cheaper civic (i.e. Slavery), and otherwise do what you can to address the economic position, working your way also towards the Forbidden Palace. Note that shrine income from The Mahabodhi isn't going to be great right now (very few cities have Buddhism) so while you should look at it at some later point, I wouldn't make it a pressing priority.

Other Tribes

Aside from your looming issues with Montezuma, I'd consider gifting Meditation to Shaka and Memed - they might build Monastaries and start producing Buddhist Missionaries on your behalf! You'll probably get a positive diplomatic modifier out of them too for sharing your technology. Otherwise you can hold off for Currency and sell Meditation to them. Get rid of the Barbarian city if you can.

Angkor Wat

I'm not a big fan of this Wonder, but I do concede that you have a lot of Shrines to build, so running Specialist Priests isn't the worst move in the world. You're not Industrious and you don't currently have a Stone resource, so I'd question the move in light of all of the other issues you have on your hands.
 
Firstly, I'm not sure why nobody has responded to this thread sooner, but I presume you have since played on! I'll continue my blab on the basis that you haven't, or that a retrospective view of your 50 B.C. game might be of some value.

You've done very well in killing off Korea and picking up bags of land and two very good cities. You've taken a fairly hard-line position on the Farm Economy, and as you've noted, your economy is 'in the toilet'. You've been fortunate that Buddhism has spread to Zulu lands and Ottoman lands, and that has opened the options for more of a religious-based approach to the game.

There are loads of issues that you've got to address;

What to do about Montezuma?
Wide open spaces
Cottage vs. Farm Economy
Other Tribes
Angkor Wat

Thanks for answering.

i did indeed finished this game and it did go in the toilets, not from the economy, but from becoming Monty unstoppable military in the 1500.

I did the convert thing and it worked.

About settling, i have one settler done and one in construction, but did not saw the need to seal the coast. good point

This was my first attempt at a SE, and probaly not in the best conditions.

I will have a second go at this game to see if it can turn better (played other games inbetween so have no much of spoilers of what looms ahead, i dont even remember what are the 2 others civs).
 
... Monty unstoppable military in the 1500.

I did the convert thing and it worked ...

Obviously not as well as I would have thought! :lol: When you share a religion with Montezuma, you're half-way to 'getting out of jail', but you can't ever afford to be too complacent.

There's a 'warmonger respect' modifier between the some leaders (Shaka, Montezuma, and Mehmed are all included here) which might have edged the Aztec's warlike leanings away from the two other empires.

Best of luck ... again! :)
 
i finished the replay.

Things did go very well this time, domination victory in 1910 (score 54000 and some, not bad at all).

I left Monty indhuist and converted rest of MMII's cities to indhuism.

This way Monty was alone while rest of world was happy budhist, as Nappy and Hannibal converted too.

i guarded closely my small histhmus while backfilling. Monty did go against MMMII and pillaged him to hell, thus weakening himself too, without acheiving much. I was then able to invade him up to vassalizing him with one city left, fuelling my economy with schrine income. MMII was next.

Unfortunately, my continent was too small to trigger domination, so i had to invade someone else. Meanwhile, shaka had become insanely powerfull, and had beed reduced only a little by a war with Nappy, so he was the logical next target, but a tough one.

I had however tech lead on him, and the FE/SE production advantage came in handy.

take a look at the insane powergraph for a good laugh. You should be able to tell exactly when my factories got in line ;)
 

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