Humankind_Swedish and Soviets discussion thread
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It seems people think the Soviets will get the tank. Swedes may not even be in the game from what I know.
Boris Gudenuf
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There is old video/screenshot evidence for the Swedes, but, as for most of the last Era, we're waiting on Details.
Unfortunately, tanks and the Soviet Union are pretty thoroughly linked in the popular imagination, and with good reason: before 1941, the Red Army had more tanks than the entire rest of the world combined (21,000) and after the war, they mass-produced tanks at a rate several times higher than any other country, including the USA. From sheer numbers, Red Army Tanks are pretty much unavoidable.
On the other hand, the Swedes have (like the Soviets/Russians, if anyone bothered to look) several interesting modern Emblematic Unit possibilities:
Army
STRV 103 Main Battle Tank: being replaced by newer models now, but one of the most innovative armored vehicles of the 1970s - 90s
ARCHER, or FH77BW, a fully-automated 155mm gun-howitzer: combined with the ArtlokRR 2091 Counterfire Radar, this thing can spot enemy artillery shells coming in (up to 100 at a time) and strike back with half a dozen rounds per gun in less than 2 minutes, smothering enemy batteries. Pardon an old artilleryman for getting enthusiastic, but this is an enemy fire support killer!
Air Force
BAS 90 - an air base system based on highways. Developed originally as the BAS 70 in the 1950s, this allowed Swedish aircraft to based almost anywhere in the country and change bases on hours' notice, making it almost impossible to knock out the Swedish Air Force. This would be a whole new capability for an in-game set of air units.
JAS-39 Gripen Multi-Role Fighter - a programmable aircraft, and one of the best Stealth aircraft in the world, which does stealth using electronics and computers rather than airframes. I understand their favorite trick lately is to fly up and come alongside Russian MiGs and wave at them from 100 feet away - and the Russian jet's radar and other systems Never See Them. Good way to require a frequent change of underwear among Russian pilots . . .
Navy
Visby class Corvette: a missile-armed ship you can't see with either Radar, infrared or the Mark One eyeball.
Gotland class submarine. A conventional submarine, but with an engine that uses a closed-cycle heat system that is air-independent, meaning this 'conventional' submarine can stay deep underwater longer than any other conventional submarine in the world, and not requiring the water cooled pump engines of a nuclear plant, is Deadly silent.
In other words, Sweden could have Stealth surface ships, submarines, and/or multi-role aircraft in the game!
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Hellenism Salesman
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Coming back to this thread after the Swedes' official reveal, is this what their EU "Stealth Corvette" is based on?
Boris Gudenuf
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The graphic is definitely the Visby class, which is the latest of the Swedish corvette classes, preceded by the Goteborg or Stockholm classes: all three are considered "stealth' corvettes.
The Visbys take 'Stealth' to a whole new level, though: the hull is made of a composite carbon fibre-vinyl material so has almost no magnetic signature, the superstructure is all flat surfaces with low conductivity so it has minimal radar signature, and it insulates very well, which reduces infrared or heat signature. Estimates are that its radar signature, in fact, is 99% less than a comparable-size 'normal' warship.
Finally, these little 650 ton ships carry a single 57mm gun, but also anti-ship missiles, torpedos, mines, depth charges, anti-submarine rockets, and 3 different kinds of Sonar arrays. So, while you are trying to find it, it's killing you several different ways at once . . .
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