I can't do it! (deity)
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Well, it's always good... unless you are playing a new difficulty, and then it is probably very bad (hence the comment "bad situation to hopeless"). So, to put it more accurately, not always good for the player
I still dont really agree with you... as far as I know, the AI makes fair deals with each other while they discriminate the player. you can only benefit from the tech trading when you use specifically designed tech path ways that allow you to trade multiple techs from multiple AIs with the same tech (e.g. rushing aesthetics)
keep in mind, tho, that this will only work well in the early and mid game because the AI will increase the price for techs and eventually seize tech trading entirely. thus there is only a certain window of opportunity you can really benefit from this and usually you have to follow a rather strict way of going about it. for instance, you cant get fishing, animal husbandry, myth, hunting, masonry and all those immediately useful things because you have to rush aesthetics to then acquire alpha and all the missed low techs. if you dont, you fall behind a lot... in a way the tech trading really forces you to act in a certain way in order to be competetive
keep in mind, tho, that this will only work well in the early and mid game because the AI will increase the price for techs and eventually seize tech trading entirely. thus there is only a certain window of opportunity you can really benefit from this and usually you have to follow a rather strict way of going about it. for instance, you cant get fishing, animal husbandry, myth, hunting, masonry and all those immediately useful things because you have to rush aesthetics to then acquire alpha and all the missed low techs. if you dont, you fall behind a lot... in a way the tech trading really forces you to act in a certain way in order to be competetive
I am pretty sure friendly civs don't hold # of trades against you if that's what you meant, so if you can make/keep a friend (or friends) then that should be ok (until they see a window for themselves to accomplish a space race, at least). As for the last part, you are basically describing the standard higher level opening, as I've read in a couple of threads on this site (as for myself, I can't win on deity difficulty, unfortunately). This time tested method is equivalent to "skill" even if the player only found out about from reading this site. It's an effective strategy, and using effective strategies is the definiton of skill in strategy games.
This is not true. The AI works with many hidden parameters and if your actions resemble any remotely real situation you will note that more doors open. If you play in a way that attempts to game the game you will see some close but you will obviously brutally overpower the AI for a period of time.
As you may have noticed trade embargos are hidden in Civ 4. But if you attempt to game the game and trade with everyone like most "pro players" here do (among other gamey things like shutting off research at the eve of the final war - I do game the game a bit to!) then the AI will in the end cease trading with you completely because most have a trade embargo against someone and if you trade with everyone then nobody will trade with you.
This does not go for friendly civilizations though, at least not most of them time. It is usually over-written. But like one of the few sensible players here pointed out and later in PM guided me to an excellent guide dealing with AI battle mechanics, even this can (probably) be overwritten once a civilization deems you to be the only threat to progress or victory.
Don't quote me on the last one though. I'm not 100% sure.
Traius, Hope I can help a lil bit at least
To play the game this more lame way you should like poster above said go for an early unique tech path like aesthetics (in old civ 3 it used to be republic). But it is certainly possible to push yourself through conventional techs as well, picking a strong, longterm path and then trading for several surrounding techs.
The AI does NOT increase the cost of techs in any way against you as time passes on purely on the basis that time has passed.
As you may have noticed trade embargos are hidden in Civ 4. But if you attempt to game the game and trade with everyone like most "pro players" here do (among other gamey things like shutting off research at the eve of the final war - I do game the game a bit to!) then the AI will in the end cease trading with you completely because most have a trade embargo against someone and if you trade with everyone then nobody will trade with you.
This does not go for friendly civilizations though, at least not most of them time. It is usually over-written. But like one of the few sensible players here pointed out and later in PM guided me to an excellent guide dealing with AI battle mechanics, even this can (probably) be overwritten once a civilization deems you to be the only threat to progress or victory.
Don't quote me on the last one though. I'm not 100% sure.
Traius, Hope I can help a lil bit at least
To play the game this more lame way you should like poster above said go for an early unique tech path like aesthetics (in old civ 3 it used to be republic). But it is certainly possible to push yourself through conventional techs as well, picking a strong, longterm path and then trading for several surrounding techs.
The AI does NOT increase the cost of techs in any way against you as time passes on purely on the basis that time has passed.
of course not because of the passing of time but because of the trading cap thingy... i dont know the specifics but the AIs willingnss to trade and thus the offers you get from later (fater multiple trades have been made) are sometimes more than ridiculous
in the above post, im discribing in a very extreme way to mak a point. of course early rushes are possible or teching to MC or CoL or whatever will allow you to do a similar thing... but tehing your way thru all the basic tech will leave you with no ability to trade, because you cant trade for alpha and oes you self teched alpha you cant trade anything else... its just so much less effective and quite simply suboptimal.
im curious who you were talking about "pointing you to some nice guide"
in the above post, im discribing in a very extreme way to mak a point. of course early rushes are possible or teching to MC or CoL or whatever will allow you to do a similar thing... but tehing your way thru all the basic tech will leave you with no ability to trade, because you cant trade for alpha and oes you self teched alpha you cant trade anything else... its just so much less effective and quite simply suboptimal.
im curious who you were talking about "pointing you to some nice guide"
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