I can't do it! (deity)

No I already told you I can hold Hannibal and no I already told you it's France that has 3 cities close to legendary culture while I have 1, possibly 2 that can catch up. I dropped both movies and rock n roll in my capital, had I spread those two out perhaps I could catch up in raw culture.

You're asking me what I'm doing with all the culture, while at the same time the only thing I can't beat is Frances culture? I also told you I'm trying to culture flip. And the Culture is also a side effect of my wonder lead and partial tech lead.

Your third culture city currently requires 814 turns to go Legendary. If you turn the culture slider up to 100%, build culture in this city, and run four Great Artists, you still need ~200 turns to win (minus however many culture bombs you can harvest during that time). A culture attempt means nothing if you concentrate all your cultural modifiers in one city.

I didn't say that the only thing you can't beat is France's culture. I'm saying that you will lose to Domination (Hannibal), Culture (Louis), and Space (Hannibal), in that order. By Domination, I mean that Hannibal will take all (or virtually all) of your cities.
 
Beginning to wonder what OP's goal is here. Doesn't want a discussion because he flames for no reason, doesn't want advice because he knows better, doesn't want to learn because he already beats everything there is to beat. Maybe he wants to troll, not sure.
 
Bah you said Pacal , I thought you meant Pascal. What did you mean by Pacal?
Perhaps you should consider that I am better than you in other areas of the game such as warfare then, since I just tested yesterday and could hold against Hannibal.
 
Bah you said Pacal , I thought you meant Pascal. What did you mean by Pacal?
Perhaps you should consider that I am better than you in other areas of the game such as warfare then, since I just tested yesterday and could hold against Hannibal.

I'm pretty sure that Doshin is a better player than you in every aspect by a significant margin. ;)

Holding your own against Hannibal guarantees nothing. What's the point of holding your own if this war ends up crippling your economy and letting the other AI run away?
 
Well Ondskan, Pacal has nothing to do with Pascal. Actually it is pretty much the other way around if you see what I mean ;O)
 
Everyone seem so sure of everything :)
I guess we could go for a 1v1 and test it out.
But then I used to play competitive Civ 3 multiplayer so that might not be a good idea.

As I said my plan is to kill Portugal, then Sitting Bull. I already have culture penetrating deep into Portugal and it will be a cakewalk just storming over roads. I'm 1 turn away from attacking 3 cities. He has like 3 turns or 4 to counterattack. Impossible. Hopefully as I said I can then turn the world against Loui. Maybe I can support Charles and his little Vassal Pascal in their endless struggles against the same with some nukes if I have to.

I enjoyed my game and some of the advice I got. Most of the rest was "you can't do it, go for immortal, stay on Emperor!" without any substantial to back it up with nor including any good advice.

In 2 weeks I learned to hold Deity and nearly conquer immortal, with huts and events.
I'm not a newbee, I just detest the serious, mechanical nature of some precious players here and prefer far more to play without a certain goal in mind, reacting to events instead of trying to beat a game using calculations.

Partly also why I am not that good in combating a cultural victory but possibly a reason why I know how to defend better than him.
I could go on for ever about this. I was a really good chess player as a kid but when I came to a certain level I saw it was necessary to remember so many starting positions as compared to developing strategy and reacting rapidly. So I quit and I haven't played a chess game now in over 2 years.
 
Self-boasting boosts me :)

What's xOTM?

GOTM, WOTM, BOTM (game of the month vanilla, warlords, bts)

I think I saw you in one of SGOTM teams.

allows for competition in single player between players.

if you're into MP you can maybe check the multiplayer subforum for some useful links.

I don't have the feeling you want to be here and not sure why you should poison the atmosphere for other players searching for help.
 
To everyone who responded, I have to say: I'm rather proud of how civil and helpful we stayed, all in all. :goodjob:

I was a really good chess player as a kid but when I came to a certain level I saw it was necessary to remember so many starting positions as compared to developing strategy and reacting rapidly. So I quit and I haven't played a chess game now in over 2 years.

Ever tried Chess960?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chess960

[As a side note, I was a "really good" chess player as a kid, too. Then I reached a certain level, kept playing and learning, and even though I hardly remember any openings, I think I could easily defeat 14-year-old me.]
 
What the * was your contribution to this thread?

?
"You're funny, I don't believe you, post screenshots".

And when I did? In a completely friendly post?

Go hide in a hole.
 
This thread is one hell of an amusing flamewar, if you define flamewar by people trying to help OP and OP responding with thinly veiled insults. A little bit of respect goes a long way.
 
its funny how there is actually not a single person who was insulting in here and who was not at least trying to be constructive... except for the one "asking for help"

its really a testament of how grown up the vast majority of this community is
 
I feel like this thread is going nowhere fast, so this will be my last post. I looked at the save file again and saw that you are playing on Epic. This makes the game easier and may account for your ability to weather Hannibal's attack. Even so, you're going to lose to Louis via Culture and, unless the Epic setting really skews things, Hannibal or Charlie via Space.

If you simply want to win a game on Deity, play on Marathon speed with the Inca and rush with Quecha Warriors. If the Inca are too cheesy for you, play with Hatchet and rush with War Chariots. Or play as Ramesses, bulb Theocracy through a Great Prophet, and build the AP in Christianity to set up a religious win.

If you want to win on a fairly regular map (normal speed, 6 opponents, standard sea, Pangaea/Continents/Archipelago) then you will need to tackle a large number of areas of your game. For instance:

  • Chop those forests early on to fuel early expansion, build an army out of thin air, or guarantee a game-breaking wonder (the Oracle; Great Library; Kremlin, etc.). Forests are bad tiles to work until Lumbermills. Railroaded lumbermills are only marginally better than a workshop in Communism and worse if you run Caste alongside Communism. Forest preserves are bad tiles.
  • Specialize your cities more. Why is the Iron Works city not working the Iron and Copper tiles in its BFC? Why did you choose to build Oxford outside of your capital when you can receive an additional 50% commerce through Bureaucracy?
  • The National Park isn't a very good wonder. It comes too late and at a point in the game when the impact of Specialists is seriously curtailed (exception: Specialists are needed for corporations if you go that route). The wonder becomes plain bad in a production city like your capital that lacks a Hydro or Nuclear Plant.
  • Look to break out and attack one or several opponents before the AI gets to Rifles and Factories. The AI bonuses compound from era to era, so it gets harder and harder to win on an even playing field.
  • Using Culture to acquire cities is a bad strategy, because it's too slow, has limited reach, cuts into your research, and provokes your neighbors into declaring war. If you receive a Great Artist from Music, this is best used to start a Golden Age.
  • Bureaucracy is a better civic than Free Speech if you're not already huge or actively aiming for a culture victory.
  • If you want to win via Culture, pursue it relentlessly. Don't run Great Scientists, Prophets, or Spies when you need Great Artists. Stop teching after Liberalism and Nationalism. Read Jesuin's guide for further info.
  • Understand that surviving Deity is not difficult. Winning is.

Look, I'm not trying to suggest that I'm an amazing player. Someone like Duckweed defines a true deity player as someone who can still win in semi-isolation with a single, aggressive neighbor (I think... I'm paraphrasing from memory). I couldn't do this right now, though other players here can. But your game lacks a basic focus and, by slowing the game speed, playing on Continents, and denying the validity of an AI Culture win, you're playing Deity-lite.

If you do want to beat a higher level, roll a Pangaea or Continents start on Immortal and post the opening screenshot in a new thread on the forum. Since you don't like naval invasions, I'd suggest trying Pangaea. If you just want to have fun, don't ask for help and then attack more experienced players who point out what you're doing wrong (chiefly, jumping from Emperor to Deity in one fell swoop).
 
in not making any of the above mentioned mistakes and i still cant win in deity (normal speed) :D

what do you usually buld with the oracle, doshin? MC, CoL,... anything else thats is worth it?

seriously, lumbermills are good?! i never build them, because workshops with CS and chemistry are so much stronger... and by the time i get to replaceable part, i usually have zero forests in my borders anyway...

edit: pick HA with oracle, for instance?
 
Actually I don't really build the Oracle... not because it's a bad build, but because the window for getting it on Deity is really small, involves a huge research and hammer commitment, and I'm very poor at judging what constitutes a good Oracle start :lol: It's a weakness in my game for sure, but something I'd like to improve.

I think it's most normal to take CoLs and run multiple specialists to get an early Academy and/or bulb your way to a medieval military tech. ZxZero is probably the best person to ask.

Ondskan had built a few Lumbermills, which was why I brought them up. I only ever put them on tundra tiles in the BFC of a food rich city. It's not a big deal though.
 
I disagree with all your suggestions.
Also for your information you do not need to have the ironworks city "mining" the certain resource, as long as it's in its inventory.

Oxford is where it is because having like 8 wonders in my capital means National Epic and thanks to my lovely forests National Park is more suited anyway.

By the way, considering I have almost every resource in the game and still researching at 90% (heh) and I have forests here and there I do wonder how you manage having 20-pop cities that are healthy. I'm barely managing as it is. Frankly I wanted to keep more forests at other places but I needed to do some choping.

Also you mention going for Caste. Again how do you keep your 20 pop cities happy with caste once everyone has emancipation?

Further more, do you know how many tiles my culture has denied from the enemy?
I just counted them. 50.

I think that the 250 gold I have denied through this is worth the 37 extra shields that I can get from my capital, not counting the negative 12 income I get when I switch to bureaucracy


You are further incorrect when it comes to AI bonuses.
I am at the point where I am almost building units one per turn. At a golden age I am building units at one per turn.
Indeed the AI has been doing this 100 turns ago, probably 200. Not to mention it can pump out archers 1 per turn or longbowmen at any time in the game.
 
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