When talking to the AI, hover above where it says capitulation (I assume it is red text). If it says "Surely you must be joking" it means your win loss ratio was bad. If it says "We're doing fine on our own". It means you have not reached the land/power target. Note that if the AI has vassals I think it screws up the land/power target calculations because their vassals get included. Also if you share a land border with the AI, they are more likely to capitulate
I hate winning. It's SO BORING.
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They were "doing fine on their own", even when they had only two cities left. But sure, they had formed colonies and capitulated their own vassals. And this is a huge archipelago map, so their empires are all over the map.
Virtual Alex
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TMIT: I read your write of that victory. It was a fun read, and I also skimmed your speed playing article although I am not really all that interested in playing blazing. Setting rally points would really help. I can't way to use that in my next game.
As far as being behind goes. The whole fun of playing this game (on higher levels) is the battle to reach parity. Generally when the human player reaches tech parity he is going to win that game. There are many way to reach parity. You can tech early and carefully, you can expand and use your large empire to tech later, you can tech key military and crush someone to either demand tech or grow larger. I understand all of these and I have done them all back when I moved up to monarch. At first I felt like "OMG I am so far behind in tech how will I ever catch up!?" well I learned how. Superior city management, or a good old fashioned war. I guess I feel the same way on emp, except on emp I have no tech, or land, or power... I suppose I just need to keep at it and micro as best as I can. More fun to try your best and lose, than half-ass and dominate.
As far as being behind goes. The whole fun of playing this game (on higher levels) is the battle to reach parity. Generally when the human player reaches tech parity he is going to win that game. There are many way to reach parity. You can tech early and carefully, you can expand and use your large empire to tech later, you can tech key military and crush someone to either demand tech or grow larger. I understand all of these and I have done them all back when I moved up to monarch. At first I felt like "OMG I am so far behind in tech how will I ever catch up!?" well I learned how. Superior city management, or a good old fashioned war. I guess I feel the same way on emp, except on emp I have no tech, or land, or power... I suppose I just need to keep at it and micro as best as I can. More fun to try your best and lose, than half-ass and dominate.
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I'd really rather not, that would be cheating myself. I guess I'll have to conclude that this type of victory is really hard on this type of map. If I had aimed for space, I would have been there centuries ago. I'll try if I can make it happen in the short time I have left, if not, I've got my space shuttle ready and waiting. Hannibal drinks his poison and leaves the cruel world behind! And all he wanted was to rule the entire world with the iron fist.
mechaerik
Tuturuu!
If the AI has vassals, they cannot capitulate. Masters cannot be vassals too. (Although Afforess made a modcomp changing this)
mechaerik
Tuturuu!
When I nuked a civ's cities to size 1, they still said "We're doing fine on our own"
Perhaps they still had more than 50% of your land area? They can't capitulate if they have more than 50% of your land or population.
Sure they can, it's just a lot less likely because the vassal's stats are counted for the master as well. Not sure if the vassal needs to be able to "break free" himself at the time, but a Civ that has a vassal has capitulated to me a few times. The vassal just breaks free.
