I still can't see it well

slothman

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I'm wondering when will the old VB return. I don't mean looking like vb2 but actually being vb2. I as I stated before and was ignored basically see vb3 as terrible. I can't use CSS. Now I don't expect VB2 to come back but it looked better and most importanty worked better. It was even faster. A little CSS goes a long way to [WARNING appearent flame though I don't in any way egree with this my story seems to be similer]forcing blacks out of stores, err, forcing me out of here.[/flame] I just hope I will get a nice reason for not doing it rather than a "It's too much trouble."
P.S. Of course this will be closed as a flame/pointless thread but it does have a point. I can't see the forums well. I tried putting it in the official thread but it was ignored. So I put it here to be less ignored. At least if I put it in the wrong forum zulu9812 will come by with a nice skull saying that. "Hows" come whenever I say I am in that 0.000001%, i.e. 1 person, who can't see it I will be tossed aside because it is too much work. I really wish the "viewable in any broswer," which include old "buggy" browsers, was in effect. Opera barely works but my old one, which is still 2000's works better, except for CSS. I still don't know why it's so hard to add a few conditionals to allow non-CSS to work. I know HTML and CSS and could even do it myself but I don't know PHP and VB3 even though I could figure them out fast. I could even take the HTML of one of the pages, edit it so it uses CSS when possible and doesn't when not possible. Then changing the PHP source to use the new format would be easy.
P.P.S. [getting ahead of myself since denial is likely] Oh well. I tried. I hoped that I would see something I could see but alas I won't. I guess I'll have to spend zillions of dollars for a new computer and OS and browser, well the browser is free, just to be able to see it. Hey it would probably be easier to spend a few thousand dollars or however much to nicely pay TF or other admins for their time to edit the source to see it.
Well if it's not done, probable, or I am ignored I'll probably come here less often. Just to post my civ4 suggestion and hope they, though also unlikely, could be used.
P.P.P.S Just to leave on a lighter and friendlier note, I will say good job to the people who started it. I do appreciate the forum even if this thread seems otherwise. Good job.
 
As I said in the other post I am using a "crappy" NS4. As I said in the other post all other newer browsers 'cept Opera fail. They don't work. They are unusable. Opera itself still isn't as good as NS4 which I use for my real browsing. NS4's CSS bug is still less worse than slowness or other weird things NS6, IE5, Mozilla, OR Firefox do. In any case I can't upgrade for whatever reason so my initial complaint and "resolution" still apply.
 
I'm just trying to figure out how segregation is related to you being "forced out", and how you think the upgrade was done to punish and create problems for you.

And I wouldn't hold your breath on waiting for vb2 again.
 
We won't likely to be returning to the 'old' forum. One reason got the upgrade was for all the new toys for the mods - likely we'll be the group that complain the most in any reversals. :ack:

Some posters still haven't realize that the mods are more 'powerful' now... :evil: :mischief:
 
The Last Conformist said:
@slothman: How come you cannot upgrade to a newer browser?
Maybe he doesn't have internet access? :hmm:


;)
 
XIII said:
We won't likely to be returning to the 'old' forum. One reason got the upgrade was for all the new toys for the mods - likely we'll be the group that complain the most in any reversals. :ack:

Some posters still haven't realize that the mods are more 'powerful' now... :evil: :mischief:
The only new toys I know that you got were the auto unban. What other toys did you get? So that we may know how much more powerful you are "p :D
 
Try downloading a browser comeing from this millenium.


if your computer is that old that it can't handle a newer browser then switch to linux. Linux can handle computers that are like close to museum pieces... and it comes with browsers.
 
MarineCorps said:
The only new toys I know that you got were the auto unban. What other toys did you get? So that we may know how much more powerful you are "p :D
State secret... :p

Alright guys, stop piling on the poor chap. He has a valid issue.

@slothman - I am sorry, but I doubt we're ever going back to the older version of vB.
 
slothman said:
As I said in the other post I am using a "crappy" NS4. As I said in the other post all other newer browsers 'cept Opera fail. They don't work. They are unusable. Opera itself still isn't as good as NS4 which I use for my real browsing. NS4's CSS bug is still less worse than slowness or other weird things NS6, IE5, Mozilla, OR Firefox do. In any case I can't upgrade for whatever reason so my initial complaint and "resolution" still apply.

Ahem. If I may be so bold as to suggest the following:
you say all browsers but Netscape 4 are slow, is it because:
1) You have a ton of spyware that suck up the bandwith you pay for
2) You have a terrible connection?
3) You have too little in terms of hardware capability (RAM etc) to actually run something more decent than NS4?
4) Unless you have an antiquated computer, I cannot find any logical reason as to why you are having such problems with the other browsers.
Surely, at least the Mozilla browsers should deal with this quickly.

Also, I find it hard to believe that Thunderfall can try to deal with your request if you cannot state what your problem with upgrading your browser is. Today's standards in browsers go way beyond that of NS4, and you will find that you are in complete minority I think.
I reckon most people here would want to help you in any way we can to better your civfantastic ( ;) ) experience, but you have to give us something to work from, not just a claim that vb3 is a terrible deal for you

my 2 cents

regards
Paalikles
 
Yeah I thought VB 3 was worse at first, but now, ive realized it's much better. and you need a better computer
 
Vb3 itself isn't bad but the fact that it uses CSS only prevents my from using NS4. It's not that I can't upgrade but that I tried the other browsers and they don't work. Sure they work well with CSS but they have other problems even worse. Mozilla for example is really slow. It can take seconds to create a new page when I do a "open in new window." And yes my computer is technically old but it has 256 meg of ram and many other goodies. It does use 95 which prevents me from using really new browsers for some reason but it's still faster than 98se. I haven't gotten in to XP yet but I installed it. In any case it seems easier just to add a patch, which I could even do if I knew vb3, to allow both CSS and non-CSS browsers. I know the HTML could could even do that, just not the PHP required to implement the HTML changes. Regardless of what you reply with I'll try editing showthread.php to work with my browser to show the differences. I do agree that I am an a minority, probably of one even. Not many people are still running 95, because it works, and even have few problems. My mother who has the same hardware has 98se but hers is much slower. I'm am just handy with computers I guess.
 
You are likely the only one, Slothman.

I am sorry but there is nothing I can do other than telling you to upgrade your browser or computer. You should upgrade it at least for security reasons.

Another thing you could try is go to your browser appearance preference and define the text color, font size, backgorund color, etc and set it to override the colors of any site u visit. Here is a screenshot taken from Nescape 7:
 

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XIII said:
We won't likely to be returning to the 'old' forum. One reason got the upgrade was for all the new toys for the mods - likely we'll be the group that complain the most in any reversals. :ack:

Some posters still haven't realize that the mods are more 'powerful' now... :evil: :mischief:
ooh, I hope Gogf gets this update. Then mabye I can find out what kind of new "toys" you mods are using here. ;) :mischief:
 
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