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The first game I launched ICBM's Everybody teamed up on me after I used about 5 ICBM's After that I was determined never to launch ICBM's again.

I've been playing after the Demogame Final save. At one point I conquered everyone except the Zulus, Indians, and English (I had recently declared war on the Romans taking them down to 1 city which I took next turn). The Romans had an MPP's with the Zulus so I was already at war with the Zulus. I had a spy in every civ so I knew the Zulus had a Tactical Nuke, and stole their plans to find out where it was. I had 52 ICBM's and launched 3 nukes at that city hoping to destroy the Tactical nuke... to no avail. So The English declared war on me for Launching Nukes. As a result I nuke nearly every Zulu and English city, the Indians stayed nuetral after I took my ICBM's down to 24, so I used about 28 on 'em.

Next turn the English used their Nukes on me 4 got killed by the SDI and 2 got through to hit 2 very minor cities, lower than size 12. There were lots of better targets, even if you go by size there were size 38 and 32 cities which were MUCH better targets, not to mention cities in the size 20 area which were production powerhouses, one of which was my capital. Why those minor cities which didn't really hurt my offensive ability.

The Indians declared war on the English and launched their ICBM's on them because they launched ICBM's on me. So my launching nukes on the Zulus and subsequently the English resulted in the Indians cleaning out their nukes on the already devistated English.

After a while of conventional warfare, I got peace with the English and after that the Indians attacked me so I nuked all their cities and the English didn't declare war against me again.

India and the Zulus have been relatively easy to conquer (except for the transportation factor caused by the destruction of their rail/road system by the ICBM's). Not to mention trying to clean up the pollution and stop the gobal warming has been a challenge.

Now I've reconcidered my policy twoards ICBM's. It seems like it's good to use them if...

A.) You have a HUGE stockpile and your foes only have a few

B.) you have a Huge Production base and LOTS of cities.

C.) You have SDI and they don't

D.) you don't really care about the Global warming that WILL result.

E.) make sure you can Nuke at least every Productive city they have (their core/ continental cities). This includes the cities of EVERY other civ. or else you may get everyone against you and 1 will be able to majorly hurt you.

F.) Get a spy in there and steal the plans so you know what the prime targets are and if you need to hit remote locations such as colony cities or the ocean with HUGE stacks which NEED to be taken out.

G.) While in the process of conquering build lots of workers, to clean up the ecological disaster you've created in the lands you've conquered.
 
Fun, aren't they? (Laughs with an evil grin)

I had never seen the AI uses nukes before in any of the other incarnations of Civ before this one. That scenario I had reasonably played long passed the modern era and everybody had nukes. World War III (yes, two previous mega-wars had engulfed Pangea) had the Persians and Babylonians bombing the crap out of the Americans, who only managed to lob a few back themselves before being wiped out. I managed to stay out of the first half of the war...right up until the Babylonians ICBMed two of my cities in a sneak-attack. I shut the computer off mid-detenation. Endgame-slowdown was already critical at that point, but moving my massive army against the combined forces of the Persians AND the Babylonians (plus a kajillion nukes between us all)? Um...no thanks.

Just for (evil) fun, I reloaded the game and launched every ICBM I had, and hit all 300+ foreign cities at least once, some three times (Babylonians, mostly).

You are right: It is good to have HUGE stockpiles. Firey Death-From-Above to be had by all your enemies. I usually play the peaceful route...but sometimes I feel like being a Sadist to the AIs.
 
i think its also a good idea if you have an mpp with them and good communications e.g. polite
 
If you don't want nuke pollution, try to nuke water. Water gets no pollution and any square within 1 acre of the nuked square loses units just as well as the square itself.
 
one thing about nukes is that they do not destroy other nukes. u can hit a city 5 times and the nuke will remain.

the way the AI launches nukes is based on trying to prevent u from building newer nukes. even though this would be the perfect place to employ industrial core destruction, it targets cities with uranium.

when i use nukes i try to have a large enough stockpile to destroy everyone else who has them. no use guessing who is going to be pissed off at me...i try to give everyone a very good reason.
 
@Agamemnus
I know that about Water Squares... used that to protect one of my transports, nuking the nearby Indian Destroyers, no pollution. But then that limits your ability to use ICBM's (sea only) you can't cripple their Production base. However, it would be interesting for a LIMITED nuclear war.

@Wohmongarinf00l
I also noticed (at least when they only have about 8 ICBM's) that they'll launch everything at once. saving none for later use.

Interesting with how the AI targets, didn't take notice if there was Uranium nearby, I'll have to double check next time I load the save.
 
i ma right now on a game on a "cold war w/ teh persians, i got 24 ICBMs and 2 tactical nukes on subs by tehir capital, they have 12 ICBMS and 8 tactical, they declared waron me, but for my surprised they never used them so i tried an experiment, i saved the game, and nuked tehm (not their cities, a transpor full of tanks and two battleships by my coast) then they nuked me back big time, bu t the SDI was worth its weight in gold and only 4 got trough, then i loaded the game b4 i nuked them, and didnt nuked them, average modern armor invasion, and they never used thir nukes!!!! i took city after city and blew up their nukes oon the cities!!! weird, even when they had their capital surrounded w/ no way of suvaving they never used the nukes!!!!!
 
yes i have, plenty of times by expensive ICBMs get blown away, but it only happens on long games on deity or emperor level
 
Ok, I was starting to think the AI is too stupid to handle this. On lower levels the AIs never seem to build the SDI, even when all techs have been discovered a long time ago and there'd be nothing else to be built.
 
Originally posted by DRoseDARs
Fun, aren't they? (Laughs with an evil grin)

I had never seen the AI uses nukes before in any of the other incarnations of Civ before this one. That scenario I had reasonably played long passed the modern era and everybody had nukes. World War III (yes, two previous mega-wars had engulfed Pangea) had the Persians and Babylonians bombing the crap out of the Americans, who only managed to lob a few back themselves before being wiped out. I managed to stay out of the first half of the war...right up until the Babylonians ICBMed two of my cities in a sneak-attack. I shut the computer off mid-detenation. Endgame-slowdown was already critical at that point, but moving my massive army against the combined forces of the Persians AND the Babylonians (plus a kajillion nukes between us all)? Um...no thanks.

Just for (evil) fun, I reloaded the game and launched every ICBM I had, and hit all 300+ foreign cities at least once, some three times (Babylonians, mostly).

You are right: It is good to have HUGE stockpiles. Firey Death-From-Above to be had by all your enemies. I usually play the peaceful route...but sometimes I feel like being a Sadist to the AIs.

can u post the "SAVE GAME" of that game here? i would like to play it. Sounds fun.
 
I wish there was a way to make the ICBM/Tac Nukes destruction area greater.
 
I myself never have to use nukes because in the modern era I have a huge empire and corruption is so bad I just stay out of wars.
 
I just decided to try them out a few weeks ago. I had not used them untill then. Fun, but i dont normally fight much in the late modern era
 
i really hate that modern wars are never really fought, u sometimes end up against outdated, sometimes ancient AI units fighting ur armor divisions, it is rare(like the game i am playing on) taht the enemy AI is fighting each other and using lots of stealth bombers, that is fun ^_^
 
I actually prefer Modern wars... I guess I just enjoy the quickness of those wars, and the quick ability to counteract stuff. Ancient wars tend to go too slow for my taste.
 
Originally posted by JoseM


can u post the "SAVE GAME" of that game here? i would like to play it. Sounds fun.

Unfortunately, I deleted this savegame a few months back (end of May, I think). Sorry. :( I delete savegames fairly often, rarely keeping them longer than two or three weeks. Wish I still had that one though...never really had the opportunity to use nukes wide-scale like that since the original Civilization days.
 
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