Pangur Bán
Deconstructed
There is a debate going on o'er at Apolyton over new civs for a hypothetical, if unlikely new expansion pack. Personally, I'd love the civ, but there are prolly other civs that any fair person would have to say should be added first.
Suggested leaders have been Niall Noigíallach (Neil of the Nine Hostages), Macbethad (Macbeth), Brian Boruma (Brian Boru), Máel Coluim II (Malcolm II), Flann Sinna, Robert the Bruce and others. I also came up with a city-list on another thread, for which see:
The main arguments for and against are:
Main arguments for
* All the "How the Irish Saved Civilzation" stuff, light of the early medieval West, Columbanus, conversion of northern England, prolly biggest language in British Isles before late AngloSaxon/early Norman era, etc, etc
* Appeal to Irish and Scottish civers, or medievalists, celticists, etc
* Cool civ to play, Galloglas or Highlander UU, etc
* Fill the only area in Western Europe not currently represented by post-Roman civs
* All new civs are great
Main arguments against:
* Too many western European civs already
* Not a great impact on the world, comparable with say, the Romans or the English
* Celts are there already
* No real political unity, esp. in the "historic" era
* Prefer a Scottish or Irish civ
But that's not really why I'm opening the thread. Rather, what should the name of the civ be?
The name of the modern people in English is "Gaels". This is derived from the older Gaelic word Gaedil (modern Irish Gaelic: Gaeil; Scottish: Gàidheal ). The Early and High Medieval Latin term was Scoti (from which Scotia, meaning both Ireland and Scotland, derives), and this is often used in English to refer to the historical people, i.e. the Scoti or the Scots. Another term, popular in earlier 20th century and among Irish people, is "Irish".
So, I just want to know from ordinary gamers, irrespective of whether or not you'd like to see the civ included, which term should be used?
* Gaelic Empire, Gaels, Gaelic people
* Scotic Empire, Scoti, Scotic people
* Irish Empire, Irish, Irish people
* Mixture: e.g. Scotic Empire, Gaels, Scotic people
The reason I ask is to find out general recognizability and coolness. Vote in the poll please.
Also, you can discuss the pros and cons of this civ, whether it should have been added, or at least been a candidate for, inclusion in BTS.Ireland and Scotland are usually pushed separately for inclusion, making both less acceptable; as two separate, anglicized cultures, they may lack appeal. I wonder if their distinctive, highly important (from a western European POV) medieval common civilization would have more appeal??? I may be deluded.
Suggested leaders have been Niall Noigíallach (Neil of the Nine Hostages), Macbethad (Macbeth), Brian Boruma (Brian Boru), Máel Coluim II (Malcolm II), Flann Sinna, Robert the Bruce and others. I also came up with a city-list on another thread, for which see:
Spoiler :
The main arguments for and against are:
Main arguments for
* All the "How the Irish Saved Civilzation" stuff, light of the early medieval West, Columbanus, conversion of northern England, prolly biggest language in British Isles before late AngloSaxon/early Norman era, etc, etc
* Appeal to Irish and Scottish civers, or medievalists, celticists, etc
* Cool civ to play, Galloglas or Highlander UU, etc
* Fill the only area in Western Europe not currently represented by post-Roman civs
* All new civs are great
Main arguments against:
* Too many western European civs already
* Not a great impact on the world, comparable with say, the Romans or the English
* Celts are there already
* No real political unity, esp. in the "historic" era
* Prefer a Scottish or Irish civ
But that's not really why I'm opening the thread. Rather, what should the name of the civ be?
The name of the modern people in English is "Gaels". This is derived from the older Gaelic word Gaedil (modern Irish Gaelic: Gaeil; Scottish: Gàidheal ). The Early and High Medieval Latin term was Scoti (from which Scotia, meaning both Ireland and Scotland, derives), and this is often used in English to refer to the historical people, i.e. the Scoti or the Scots. Another term, popular in earlier 20th century and among Irish people, is "Irish".
So, I just want to know from ordinary gamers, irrespective of whether or not you'd like to see the civ included, which term should be used?
* Gaelic Empire, Gaels, Gaelic people
* Scotic Empire, Scoti, Scotic people
* Irish Empire, Irish, Irish people
* Mixture: e.g. Scotic Empire, Gaels, Scotic people
The reason I ask is to find out general recognizability and coolness. Vote in the poll please.
Also, you can discuss the pros and cons of this civ, whether it should have been added, or at least been a candidate for, inclusion in BTS.Ireland and Scotland are usually pushed separately for inclusion, making both less acceptable; as two separate, anglicized cultures, they may lack appeal. I wonder if their distinctive, highly important (from a western European POV) medieval common civilization would have more appeal??? I may be deluded.
