If you had to replace a leader in the game...

[mdm]

Replace Stalin with Lenin

I still resent the people who chose Stalin over Lenin in the poll

 

[moggydave]

It's certainly illegal to hold Nazi material/signs etc etc in Germany, last time I checked at least. Least to say people are very sensitive about it in Germany, and I see no real reason to blame them for being so.

Also Hitler brought total and very obvious destruction to Germany by 1945, despite earlier success (though the same can be said of Napoleon-by 1815 France was bankrupt and a second class power)

Another reason for including Stalin and not Hitler, despite Stalin being more brutal is that Stalin was on our (US/UK) side in WW2, and so is not, in general, so infamous, particularly among those who perhaps do not know or are not interested in the subject.

I can't explain Mao's inclusion. Even more so why is he Protective?????????????

On principle I see no reason no to include mass killers in games from history since noone is sensitive to their actions anymore. Regarding Mao, Stalin and Hitler, people are understandably very sensitive about some of the attrocities commited by these people.


I'd replace:
Brennus with Vercingetorix
Hatshepsut with Tutmoses (forgot which one)
Isabella with El Cid (perhaps)
Louis XIV with Charlesmagne
Frederick with Barbarossa

 

[AfterShafter]

I'd definetly want another Greek... Replace? Stalin - though, there is plenty of Civ IV precedent for having tyrannical warlords in the game, so I can't really fault them for putting him in from that angle. Also, Despite Lenin's tremendous influence, Stalin was hardly an inconsequential figure in the past century.

 

[AfterShafter]

It's certainly illegal to hold Nazi material/signs etc etc in Germany, last time I checked at least. Least to say people are very sensitive about it in Germany, and I see no real reason to blame them for being so.

Also Hitler brought total and very obvious destruction to Germany by 1945, despite earlier success (though the same can be said of Napoleon-by 1815 France was bankrupt and a second class power)

Another reason for including Stalin and not Hitler, despite Stalin being more brutal is that Stalin was on our (US/UK) side in WW2, and so is not, in general, so infamous, particularly among those who perhaps do not know or are not interested in the subject.

I can't explain Mao's inclusion. Even more so why is he Protective?????????????

On principle I see no reason no to include mass killers in games from history since noone is sensitive to their actions anymore. Regarding Mao, Stalin and Hitler, people are understandably very sensitive about some of the attrocities commited by these people.


I'd replace:
Brennus with Vercingetorix
Hatshepsut with Tutmoses (forgot which one)
Isabella with El Cid (perhaps)
Louis XIV with Charlesmagne
Frederick with Barbarossa

If you're going to say "Hitler wasn't put in because he didn't affect lasting policy change and led to the destruction of Germany" - he's hardly the only leader included who had a disasterous end to his rule, and he has shaped his country and the world exponentially more than many inlcuded leaders in the game.

Stalin and Hitler were both monsters of similar proportions - from a moral perspective, if you're going to include Stalin and poo-poo Hitler, you're simply being inconsistent... And if you think they would include Stalin but leave Hitler out for any reason other than the German market and legal issues concerning it, you're fooling yourself.


PS - BOO! Louis forever!